Jesus knew nothing of a trinity god.

Who told you that?

Jesus referred to BOTH God the Father (as Himself) and to the Holy Spirit (as Himself)

Bible Gateway passage: John 14:9 - King James Version

and

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 1:8 - King James Version

and He clearly states it here...

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 28:19-20 - King James Version

If you're looking for WORD "Trinity", no, that's not in the Bible, however, that's what's being referred to in the above posted texts (and many other places in the Bible).



Actually Jesus teaches everyone HE has a God, like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Those that love Jesus, listen to his words over dogmas of men who twist it into oblivion.
The religion that came out of Rome and its 33,998 branches-DO NOT belong to Jesus. Jesus is with one single religion-1Cor 1:10)
Authoritarian Irrationalism, Just Like Postclassical Physics

That's why Christian fanatics preach the illogical gibberish about "three persons in one." These ideas arose while Rome was drifting inevitably towards the Dark Ages. The Twentieth Century was a repeat of that terminal condition.





The world uses the term Christian too loosely, not all is as appears in a satan-ruled system.
Evangelical Evasion

So your God isn't as strong as Satan? What kind of god would let people sin in His Name, with His clerics taking advantage of those who believe in Him?


Issues were raised against God in Eden by satan, every creation saw-2 mortals and millions of angels. When the serpent told Eve, they would become like God knowing good and bad. He was saying we could choose the best path ourselves if we knew both sides-good and evil. And wouldn't need to listen to our creator' advice.This system is proving satan in error. It is best mortals only know good, and live forever in perfection. Gods coming kingdom rule to earth will make it a reality. We are all choosing now-Deut 30:19. To God there are sheep and goats.
The God for Losers

Your god is a complete failure, starting with losing the affection of the archangel Lucifer, then Adam, the Golden-Calf Hebrews, the Jews turned off by Jesus's sissy and secretly pro-Roman teaching, the power-hungry bishops who bribed Constantine, everybody after that who went to a Catholic seminary, and, to cut a long string of failures short, moderns like Jimmy Swaggart.
 
Who Hired Jesus? "Render Therefore Unto Caesar" Is a Clue.

Any sermon that glorifies meekness is a tool of a sadistic totalitarian ruling class. In our time, it is a main fang of our entitled Preppy snakes.


God is offering life everlasting-- Is that totalitarian? What value does eternal life hold?
Kneeling Leads to Crawling

Eternal life in meek submission to His Will offers nothing to anyone with any self-respect. Idealism Is the Costume Sadism Dresses Up In



Eternal life at a young age, never sick, or aging like now. Knowing only good. This sick satan-ruled system has been proven. Man's promises amount to little. God's kingdom is a cure all.
No Wonder Lucifer Means "Someone Who Brings Light to End All the Darkness"

More snake oil, which proves that the real snake in the Garden of Eden was your god of outrageous false promises and whining blame. Only children listen to your Santa Claus wonderland stories and monster scare stories.
 
… They have 0 understanding of revelation …

No one understands the revelation. I guess it's in the bible because of the respect for the author. He was tortured, cooked in oil, and survived

… That's why Christian fanatics preach the illogical gibberish about "three persons in one." …

More correct: All Christians worldwide believe in the triune god. And you warn others not to be the extremist fanatics who you are on your own.


Trustfundie Treehuggers

Historically, the development of nature


It existed nothing where we are able to say anything about - then all nature was created within less time than a plank-second. As far as we know now this had physically happened about 13.8 billion years ago.

has been the major impetus of class mobility.

Of what? Nature is not responsible for the intentional ignorance, intentional misinterpretations and intentional stupidity of the human race.

All inherited wealth, power, and influence is unearned.

No only unearned - it's much more worse. To be thankful to other human beings - to feel responsible for all and every life on planet Earth and to try to live in harmony with god motivates the deeds of human for sure not in the same intensity as might and money motivates.

So we must take away the future

What? Take away the future?

of those whose survival at the top depends on keeping the creative force of all the rest down. If they have a future, the rest of us don't. They are blocking our way and must be destroyed like the subhuman inanimate objects that they represent in any society of growth and action.

Nature is the enemy of man;

Wer are creature - we are nature. Your problem is to propagate mass-murder with nice verbal constructions as "we must take away their future" where you made the Freudian mistake to say clear what's the real will behind "to take away the future".

it must be transformed for our use and even pleasure. It is being used by the enemies of the human race as a weapon of class stagnancy.

Let me say it clear: I fear you are predestinated to do what psychologists are calling an "extended suicide". You are the human race, you are your enemy, you are stagnancy. I beg you: Try to find a psychologist who takes serious that you are a threat for your own survival and the survival of everyone else.

Behind their weakling and silly idea-less idealism stands a vicious and sadistic attitude towards everyone who represents worth, not birth.

What you say here is from my point of view nothing what has to do with free opinion. You have to break your ideological indoctrination and to find a way to the loving freedom which follows in the center every life and not everyone's death. Leave the dark culture of death and find again your god given nature of love and life.


Where Have All the Braincells Gone, Longtime Passing, Long Time Ago? Gone to Couch Potatoes Every One.

Only sadomasochists like you pushy projecting preachers would use a preschoolers' ridiculous Harveywood fantasy to make a point.
 
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" Block Devices "

* Composition Affects Conditional Limits *

The World As Will and Idea
It makes more sense than Theistic Creation if each previously inanimate form was occupied by an individual intelligence (monad) entering from another universe. There is no logical necessity that the monads ever had a beginning, except if you need to twist the entrance into a beginning. Their individuality is capable of overcoming any desire that their intelligence tells them is a bad choice. In fact, intellect is related to select.
A hard drive stores data , however a hard drive is not capable of intimating information about the data it maintains .

How would a presumption for impulse from infinitude with an innate bias from form also include a sophistication sufficient for self reflection ?

Would the summation of all infinitesimals imply omnipresence , or omniscience , or omnipotence ?

From a perspective of naturalism , an allusion to theism seems analogous with deism , where a macroscopic sophistication has acquired a capacity of charge for acting independently to issue reciprocity for actions of individuals and to intervene in facilitating an outcome of events for those individuals that would not have resulted had an intervention not occurred .

Naturalism would not discount that theism of deities could exist , only that actions of such entities remain accountable to natural cause and effect , even if asserted as being one in the same as nature .
Always Assume That All Mentors Are Assigned to Mislead Us

Connectivity to all other monads is not logically necessary. It is both wishful thinking and ignorance of sequitur. Many theorists have tried to tie all news into old news this way, illustrating a fear of starting from scratch.

Another unreasonable extension is to feel a need to tie all the supposedly connected beings together with one Being pulling the strings.

To anticipate where you are being led to, why do all mystics assume that what is outside the material world is superior? It is merely the seed, inferior to what is growing.
 
100% fact= From Moses on up until this very day. The Israelite religion, taught, served and worshipped, a single being God-YHVH(Jehovah)-- taught to every bible writer, taught to Jesus his first 30 years attending those places of worship, taught by them as well--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up and became 33,999 branches off of her( Mark 3:24-26)--all being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

Why??? Because they throw Jesus truth away to teach the schools of mens dogmas because of the errors in their translations.

Who do you believe first? Jesus or Dogma? they contradict one another.

So your thesis is Jesus had no knowledge he was the Son of God, nice fail right out of the box there.
 
Who Hired Jesus? "Render Therefore Unto Caesar" Is a Clue.

Any sermon that glorifies meekness is a tool of a sadistic totalitarian ruling class. In our time, it is a main fang of our entitled Preppy snakes.


God is offering life everlasting-- Is that totalitarian? What value does eternal life hold?
Kneeling Leads to Crawling

Eternal life in meek submission to His Will offers nothing to anyone with any self-respect. Idealism Is the Costume Sadism Dresses Up In



Eternal life at a young age, never sick, or aging like now. Knowing only good. This sick satan-ruled system has been proven. Man's promises amount to little. God's kingdom is a cure all.
No Wonder Lucifer Means "Someone Who Brings Light to End All the Darkness"

More snake oil, which proves that the real snake in the Garden of Eden was your god of outrageous false promises and whining blame. Only children listen to your Santa Claus wonderland stories and monster scare stories.

It was not a snake in the tree in the garden of Eden who spoke with Eve. And Eve herself did also not know what god had spoken before to Adam. And the name "Lucifer" for the devil, the Diabolos or the Shaitan (Satan) has by the way not really to do with the bible - except that the fantasy of people made lots of crazy stories around this Latin expression for the morning star. And Santa Claus was born as bishop Saint Nicholas of Myra. Here his passport picture:

800px-Nikola_from_1294.jpg


 
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… Connectivity to all other monads is not logically necessary. …

Monads don't have doors or windows so nothing is able to come from outside to the inside and from the inside to the outside - but a monad represents nevertheless the movements of the prime matter of her surrounding from an individual perspective. The world is visible because of our mental constructions - but not without them. Shorter: If we don't know what we see then we don't see - but on the other side we know only what we see or what god let us see. Much more shorter: Pray!

 
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The main bone of contention between Christian and Islamic theology has to do with the polytheistic belief in the Trinity. .... :cool:

It isn't 'polytheistic', it's just literary devices; different names for different aspects of the same entity. There are several 'names' for God on the OT, all symbolizing a different 'face' in dealing with mankind, or individuals. Some of the references are plural, some 'singular'. The choice used in a writing usually indicates a more specific aspect is being emphasized, and is not referring to a different 'person'.

My hand is not my ear, but I have both of them. The use of anthropomorphism for instance is a literary device, and used as early as Genesis, and refers to God 'walking in the Garden'. Why would He 'walk'?

And, as 'God', why wouldn't He be able to manifest His presence any way He wanted to???


nonsense. The trinity is polytheistic by definition and claiming that Jesus was God is not a literary device. it is blasphemy.

There never was and never will be a human being that was God or became God.

There is only one God with two witnesses. Two 'others' calling out to each other across the river of time. One God two olive trees, one God two candlesticks, one God two lamp stands, one God two trees of life in the middle of paradise, one God two staves to lead the flock.

And if Jesus is to be believed there is only one messiah, which means the two witnesses represents the same being appearing twice. "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd."

One God, one messiah.


First I will send for many fishermen, says the Lord, and they shall fish for them. After that I will call for many hunters and they shall hunt them out from every mountain and hill and from the crevices in the rocks. For my eyes are on all their ways, they are not hidden from my sight, nor is their wrongdoing concealed from me."
Jeremiah 16:16


So write your own Bible and see how many buy it.

Citing verses out of context isn't impressive, either. It merely means you have no point.

As for the term 'Messiah', the term is used to describe Cyrus in the OT, so it isn't an exclusive term for just one, either. You don't like the complexity of the writings and want a simpleton's screed, just memorize the sermon on the Mount and leave the higher levels to the adults to discuss or chat with Rosie; she needs the attention.

When Moses said that God would send another, like him, who spoke with God "face to face" and would put his words into that prophets mouth to convey "all of his commands", he was not speaking about just any messiah, just one. (Deut. 18:18)

Jesus never claimed to be God, he claimed to be this particular messiah, a Jewish man, the Son of God being a relational metaphor, and proved it by revealing the hidden teaching of the law, something that no other man could possibly do unless it had been first revealed to him by God, "face to face".

Once the truth is brought to light there is no longer any need for some other messiah. The way to eternal life has already been made clear.

Either you do it or you don't.
So if I don't follow a book I'll have no eternal life. Is that your final answer? :biggrin:
Jesus said I will have mercy and not sacrifice.
So He was more concerned with how we show mercy to our fellow beings.
Reading the Bible is important.
But He's more concerned with feeding and clothing the poor. And being peace keepers.
 
Growing up Christian, and studying Christianity... No amount of theological calisthenics, has ever been able to convince me that the notion of the Trinity was anything but polytheism. It simply cannot be squared with reason.
There's a principal taught in the Bible although not stated as such called, Diving Investiture of authority
It's where Jesus acts in the name of His Father as though He were the Father.
You're right from the stand point that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are 3 Gods
 
God doesn't care about petty religions that imperfect humans have created. Go ahead though and keep believing your religion is the one he or she endorses if it makes you feel better than others.
 
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100% fact= From Moses on up until this very day. The Israelite religion, taught, served and worshipped, a single being God-YHVH(Jehovah)-- taught to every bible writer, taught to Jesus his first 30 years attending those places of worship, taught by them as well--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up and became 33,999 branches off of her( Mark 3:24-26)--all being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

Why??? Because they throw Jesus truth away to teach the schools of mens dogmas because of the errors in their translations.

Who do you believe first? Jesus or Dogma? they contradict one another.

Jesus is the Trinity God or one in the Godhead. What you confuse is God's doctrine and theology.

It's found in the Creeds.

POS_15_Nicene_Creed_12x16__98798.1460380403.jpg



darkness--The councils were held because they did not know truth--they twisted it to the core to mislead.
 
Actually Jesus teaches everyone HE has a God, like we do, his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Those that love Jesus, listen to his words over dogmas of men who twist it into oblivion.
The religion that came out of Rome and its 33,998 branches-DO NOT belong to Jesus. Jesus is with one single religion-1Cor 1:10)
Authoritarian Irrationalism, Just Like Postclassical Physics

That's why Christian fanatics preach the illogical gibberish about "three persons in one." These ideas arose while Rome was drifting inevitably towards the Dark Ages. The Twentieth Century was a repeat of that terminal condition.





The world uses the term Christian too loosely, not all is as appears in a satan-ruled system.
Evangelical Evasion

So your God isn't as strong as Satan? What kind of god would let people sin in His Name, with His clerics taking advantage of those who believe in Him?


Issues were raised against God in Eden by satan, every creation saw-2 mortals and millions of angels. When the serpent told Eve, they would become like God knowing good and bad. He was saying we could choose the best path ourselves if we knew both sides-good and evil. And wouldn't need to listen to our creator' advice.This system is proving satan in error. It is best mortals only know good, and live forever in perfection. Gods coming kingdom rule to earth will make it a reality. We are all choosing now-Deut 30:19. To God there are sheep and goats.
The God for Losers

Your god is a complete failure, starting with losing the affection of the archangel Lucifer, then Adam, the Golden-Calf Hebrews, the Jews turned off by Jesus's sissy and secretly pro-Roman teaching, the power-hungry bishops who bribed Constantine, everybody after that who went to a Catholic seminary, and, to cut a long string of failures short, moderns like Jimmy Swaggart.



You are very confused--Jesus was not with the religion that came out of Rome, nor any of its 33,998 branches--There is no trinity god in existence--they ARE NOT Christian.This world lives in darkness. satan has 99% mislead. he always has had that many. Have you read the bible?
 
Who Hired Jesus? "Render Therefore Unto Caesar" Is a Clue.

Any sermon that glorifies meekness is a tool of a sadistic totalitarian ruling class. In our time, it is a main fang of our entitled Preppy snakes.


God is offering life everlasting-- Is that totalitarian? What value does eternal life hold?
Kneeling Leads to Crawling

Eternal life in meek submission to His Will offers nothing to anyone with any self-respect. Idealism Is the Costume Sadism Dresses Up In



Eternal life at a young age, never sick, or aging like now. Knowing only good. This sick satan-ruled system has been proven. Man's promises amount to little. God's kingdom is a cure all.
No Wonder Lucifer Means "Someone Who Brings Light to End All the Darkness"

More snake oil, which proves that the real snake in the Garden of Eden was your god of outrageous false promises and whining blame. Only children listen to your Santa Claus wonderland stories and monster scare stories.


More confusion from you--santa= satan--I have 0 to do with it. No God was not with that serpent.
 
100% fact= From Moses on up until this very day. The Israelite religion, taught, served and worshipped, a single being God-YHVH(Jehovah)-- taught to every bible writer, taught to Jesus his first 30 years attending those places of worship, taught by them as well--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up and became 33,999 branches off of her( Mark 3:24-26)--all being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

Why??? Because they throw Jesus truth away to teach the schools of mens dogmas because of the errors in their translations.

Who do you believe first? Jesus or Dogma? they contradict one another.

So your thesis is Jesus had no knowledge he was the Son of God, nice fail right out of the box there.



How did you twist my words into your post? Can you understand English? I never said anything even remotely for a conclusion like that---only from false reasoning on your part.
 
100% fact= From Moses on up until this very day. The Israelite religion, taught, served and worshipped, a single being God-YHVH(Jehovah)-- taught to every bible writer, taught to Jesus his first 30 years attending those places of worship, taught by them as well--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up and became 33,999 branches off of her( Mark 3:24-26)--all being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily.

Why??? Because they throw Jesus truth away to teach the schools of mens dogmas because of the errors in their translations.

Who do you believe first? Jesus or Dogma? they contradict one another.

Jesus is the Trinity God or one in the Godhead. What you confuse is God's doctrine and theology.

It's found in the Creeds.

POS_15_Nicene_Creed_12x16__98798.1460380403.jpg



darkness--The councils were held because they did not know truth--they twisted it to the core to mislead.

The council at Nicea formulated their doctrine of Christianity. The council at Trent did the same for Catholicism. One is truth. The other was to mislead.
 
" Considering All Options "

* Personifying Divine Will With Out Knowing *

Always Assume That All Mentors Are Assigned to Mislead Us
Connectivity to all other monads is not logically necessary.
It is both wishful thinking and ignorance of sequitur. Many theorists have tried to tie all news into old news this way, illustrating a fear of starting from scratch.
Another unreasonable extension is to feel a need to tie all the supposedly connected beings together with one Being pulling the strings.
To anticipate where you are being led to, why do all mystics assume that what is outside the material world is superior? It is merely the seed, inferior to what is growing.
Which ewe is being led where ?

Let us know where suppositions about monads have been introduced insufficiently thus far .

It would seem reasonable that precepts for monotheism should be accountable for answers to premises for substance Monism - Wikipedia and to Monad (philosophy) - Wikipedia .

For any theist to assert that a creator is independent from its creation , a theist would need to establish how or why creation itself is not the creator .
 
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