CurveLight
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Unfortunately when there is airplaine wreckage all around and inside the Pentagon (or any building for that matter) and you sit there and say that no aircraft wrecked in that building, you are a nut. Sorry.
You accidentally quoted the wrong post. That is the only explanation because your response is completely irrelevant.
Your claim of aircraft wreckage is neat. Do you work for the FAA or NTSB? I ask because there are many experts in aviation and investigative fields regarding plane crashes and they take the time to explain their views with evidence. Since you do none of that I'm assuming your work is so legendary that supporting evidence is not needed whenever you make a claim.
I guess you fail to realize the presence of airframe parts does not in itself support the OCT. Most people agree something flew into the Pentagon so pointing to wreckage is a moot point.
I will say that I do not know for sure that you, personally, are saying that no plane hit the Pentagon. I apologize. However, your whackjob brethren seem to be stuck on proving just how nutty they are by trotting out that shit over and over.
As for taking time to explain my views with evidence; here is my view:
AA 77 hit the Pentagon.
Here is my evidence:
- Radar tracking showed AA77 flying over the L & L (long and lat) where the Pentagon is located. No radar tracking shows it flying any where else after it reached those corrdinates.
- American Aircraft wreckage was found on the lawn of the Pentagon. The wreckage included actual aircraft insulation which would be quite remarkable if such wreckage were being produced for consumption by the masses.
- American aircraft wreckage was found literally up against the building itself.
- No person or persons reported seeing ANYBODY plant one scrap of wreckage
- Phone calls from AA77 reported it being hijacked. There were three other hijackings that day
- Body remains of passnegers who boarded flight 77 were found inside the Pentagon.
- Personal effects of persons who were on flight 77 were found inside the Pentagon.
- Boeing 757 aircraft wreckage was found inside the Pentagon.
- Nobody who boarded flight 77 was ever heard from again after the crash into the Pentagon.
Your sarcasm is telling...when you can't debate with data, you argue with anecdotes.
Back to the original point though; the reason that JBV's show is seen as just another mini-convention for whackjobs is because there is little difference between the show and such an assembly.
My position is I don't know what happened though it is generally accepted something flew into the Pentagon. One reason I don't accept the OCT is every single time people claim it is true they cite assumptions as "fact" and use those as evidence. Let's take your list by number:
1. Not a fact flight 77 was on radar after it dropped from radar at about 8:55 am. It is strictly assumed flight 77 is the aircraft that reappeared on radar. Even when they assumed it was 77, it was still about a 35 minute window of being missing. The problem there is turning the xponder off doesn't make a commercial jet a stealth aircraft.
2, 3, 8 (safe to assume you will agree those three fall under the same category of wreckage). As I said above, airframe parts are not sufficient evidence in themselves. That was a huge fucking plane and the official theory is it pretty much disintegrated on impact, which is why you don't see an abundance of parts. From what I've researched, many pilots have stated the crash site is inconsistent and the data from the fdr does not match up with the official versions flight path. Basically, there has never been anything of aircraft wreckage found that universally proves it was flight 77.
4. Irrelevant and that is negative evidence, meaning #4 is not positive evidence.
5. Another example of defending the OCT with false information. There were supposedly two people on board who made successful outgoing calls. Renee May and Barbara Olson. The only problem is nobody has produced solid evidence these happened. The Olson phone calls were the most popular and was the source of the info of the hijack and box cutters. Ted Olson has changed his story several times switching between cell and airphone calls and not being able to prove either one. The FBI at ZM's trial pointed out it only had evidence of one call that could be attributed to B Olson, and it lasted zero seconds which means the call never went through.
6. There were body parts found because people got killed. Are you familiar with the protocol and process they used for the dna match up? Do you know the hijackers were never identified with dna? That means there is no evidence they were even on board.
7. What does that mean?
9. Irrelevant, like #4 that is negative evidence and it is a false dilemma. Those people being gone does not mean 9E had to happen the way we were told.
So out of the above list, at least 75% of the proposed evidence are assumptions. I could even point to positive evidence showing even further why the OCT is troublesome. But i'll wait for a response to this.