Can OCTAs Provide Positive Evidence Flt 77 Was Hijacked?

[CurveLight]

That's it. Very clear and very simple. While looking for positive evidence of a hijacking I have not been able to find anything conclusive. Here are some facts we are aware of:

The xponder was turned off around 8:50am and air traffic controllers lost the plane. For those who are unaware, turning a xponder off does not magically transform a plane into a stealth aircraft. (If it does, the Air Force owes the American public am explanation for the billions spent on "stealth technology.")


Flight 77 went missing and there was never confirmation it reappeared on radar. The CR (commission report) has a suspected flight path with dotted lines between the early mid west and the Pentagon. They claim that is the path but there has never been confirmation. The obvious question is how was it possible for a 757 to fly in US airspace undetected? We kind of have every square inch of our airspace under surveillance from a multitude of civilian and military radars not to mention satellites.

Norman Mineta has testified he was a witness to a conversation between Cheney and a soldier in the PEOC that occurred during the approach of an aircraft to the Pentagon. That was about 9:25 which corresponds with the tracking of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon at 9:37. For all you CR junkies, you know Mineta's testimony was stricken because the CR claimed Cheney didn't arrive in the PEOC until 9:58am. Unfortunately, the CR lacks evidence and there are many sources that contradict this claim. (That is a side issue from our purpose here and now.)

The CVR provided absolutely no information.

The FDR definitely has not proven a hijack had taken place.


One of the earliest items used was the claim by Ted Olson that his wife called him twice and informed him of the hijacking. That claim has long been the center of evidence but now we know he never spoke to his wife. In ZM's trial the FBI provided their evidence of communications between everyone on 77 to the rest of the world. There is a single call attributed to Barbara Olson that lasted "zero seconds." That means Ted never spoke to his wife even though he went on the networks to claim he had first hand evidence of a hijacking and he obtained that info from two phone calls his wife made. Years later, many still wrongly believe those calls are legit. Aside from the FBI evidence there are also other factors, including how Olson himself kept changing his claim. First he said she used a cell phone, then someone pointed out it was a collect call to the DOJ so it must have been an airphone. Then someone pointed out you can't make a collect call from an airphone. Then someone pointed out Flt 77 didn't have airphones. So Ted reverts back to his cell phone claim, that was once again proven false. This link exhaustively checks out the info but the clincher is the FBI's evidence at ZM's trial showing Ted never spoke to Barbara. Why did he lie?
An Analysis of New Evidence...


Another key piece missing is the hijackers were never confirmed by DNA. The FBI knew where they lived and even spoke with Hanjour's family so OCTAs
cannot dismiss the lack of DNA confirmation on the basis there was no way a comparison could have been made. Just as family members provided DNA for passenger/victim matches the FBI had the DNA to provide a match for the hijackers but it was never done.

I suspect OCTAs will refer to two items in haste: flight manifest and airport pics. The only problem there is Hanjour's name was not on the earliest manifest released and the importance there is he is the only one to have been attributed to being hijacker trained pilot on 77. The pics are fuzzy and photoshop makes them suspect.

In summary, it appears there is no positive evidence 77 was hijacked and I'm fully confident OCTAs
brave enough to respond will help solidify this by pointing to assumptions and screaming "How did the place get there?!?" Logically, that is an assumption of proof, not positive evidence it happened the way we are told. So if there is any positive evidence, what is it?

 

[Fizz]

you can download a 27meg file with the evidence here..
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia

i believe there was more than one phone call from barbara olsen. she got disconnected once or twice.

 

[CurveLight]

you can download a 27meg file with the evidence here..
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia

i believe there was more than one phone call from barbara olsen. she got disconnected once or twice.

Thanks for proving that once again you work from a conclusion backwards. The op already has a link to that trial and info. Got anything else?

 

[jillian]

you can download a 27meg file with the evidence here..
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia

i believe there was more than one phone call from barbara olsen. she got disconnected once or twice.

Thanks for proving that once again you work from a conclusion backwards. The op already has a link to that trial and info. Got anything else?

If what you are claiming were close to true, they couldn't have lost the flight that overflew it's destination by 150 miles just a few weeks ago.

But if it makes you feel better, my keys keep disappearing and reappearing... i think it's a conspiracy...maybe a dibbuk. Perhaps you'd like to investigate.

 

[Toro]

Maybe the pilots flew the plane into the Pentagon themselves.

We already know the plane was there. We already know that body parts and mementos were found at the site. We already know that wreckage was on the grounds. We already have computer simulation of how the plane could have slammed into the Pentagon in the manner that it did. We already have at least 136 documented eye-witnesses who saw the plane slam into the Pentagon. We already know that five people on the plane who had links to al-Qaeda. We already know that people were on the plane and took off. We already know that al-Qaeda themselves claimed that they were behind the hijackings. So maybe the terrorists didn't fly the plane into the Pentagon. Maybe it was the pilots, even though terrorists were flying planes into other buildings in America.

Though that is highly unlikely.

There are always discrepancies in events. People are not infallible and will misinterpret or misremember. Instead, we must look at the body of evidence. And the body of evidence suggests that the plane was hijacked and slammed into the Pentagon.

 

[CurveLight]

you can download a 27meg file with the evidence here..
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia

i believe there was more than one phone call from barbara olsen. she got disconnected once or twice.

Thanks for proving that once again you work from a conclusion backwards. The op already has a link to that trial and info. Got anything else?

If what you are claiming were close to true, they couldn't have lost the flight that overflew it's destination by 150 miles just a few weeks ago.

But if it makes you feel better, my keys keep disappearing and reappearing... i think it's a conspiracy...maybe a dibbuk. Perhaps you'd like to investigate.

I guess you haven't been made aware I'm one of the world's biggest morons so could you please clarify your post? If what claim is true?

(your keys issue is quite simple. you're having an internal conflict that you are equipped to resolve but not fully emotionally prepared to close. Your keys disappearing is the manifestation of your denial that you have what you need.)

 

[jillian]

I guess you haven't been made aware I'm one of the world's biggest morons so could you please clarify your post? If what claim is true?

(your keys issue is quite simple. you're having an internal conflict that you are equipped to resolve but not fully emotionally prepared to close. Your keys disappearing is the manifestation of your denial that you have what you need.)

I don't think I'd say you're a moron. I just think you have a vivid imagination.... as proven by the second paragraph of your post.

Cheers.

 

[eots]

Jillian is just afraid there may of been Israel prior knowledge so the subject is taboo its ok Jillian ...Bush knew it as well


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[Fizz]

The xponder was turned off around 8:50am and air traffic controllers lost the plane. For those who are unaware, turning a xponder off does not magically transform a plane into a stealth aircraft. (If it does, the Air Force owes the American public am explanation for the billions spent on "stealth technology.")

nobody claims the plane turned into a stealth plane. the plane was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. we now know where the plane was the entire time.

Flight 77 went missing and there was never confirmation it reappeared on radar. The CR (commission report) has a suspected flight path with dotted lines between the early mid west and the Pentagon. They claim that is the path but there has never been confirmation. The obvious question is how was it possible for a 757 to fly in US airspace undetected? We kind of have every square inch of our airspace under surveillance from a multitude of civilian and military radars not to mention satellites.

it didnt reappear on radar because it never disappeared. radar tracked the plane for the entire flight including from the minute the transponder was turned off. a 757 didnt fly through US airspace undetected.

One of the earliest items used was the claim by Ted Olson that his wife called him twice and informed him of the hijacking. That claim has long been the center of evidence but now we know he never spoke to his wife. In ZM's trial the FBI provided their evidence of communications between everyone on 77 to the rest of the world. There is a single call attributed to Barbara Olson that lasted "zero seconds." That means Ted never spoke to his wife even though he went on the networks to claim he had first hand evidence of a hijacking and he obtained that info from two phone calls his wife made. Years later, many still wrongly believe those calls are legit. Aside from the FBI evidence there are also other factors, including how Olson himself kept changing his claim. First he said she used a cell phone, then someone pointed out it was a collect call to the DOJ so it must have been an airphone. Then someone pointed out you can't make a collect call from an airphone. Then someone pointed out Flt 77 didn't have airphones. So Ted reverts back to his cell phone claim, that was once again proven false. This link exhaustively checks out the info but the clincher is the FBI's evidence at ZM's trial showing Ted never spoke to Barbara. Why did he lie?

]the call didnt last zero seconds. it lasted 46 seconds. the call was to an operator and is a free call.

the question isnt why did ted olsen lie the question is why are you lying? first he said he didnt know if it was a cell phone or the airphone but it really is irrelevant since we have proof that it was the air phone. the plane did have air phones so the claim it didnt is false. so why is that person lying?

I suspect OCTAs will refer to two items in haste: flight manifest and airport pics. The only problem there is Hanjour's name was not on the earliest manifest released and the importance there is he is the only one to have been attributed to being hijacker trained pilot on 77. The pics are fuzzy and photoshop makes them suspect.

it wasnt a passenger manifest it was a list of the victims. Hanjour was not a victim he was a perpetrator.

 

[CurveLight]

The xponder was turned off around 8:50am and air traffic controllers lost the plane. For those who are unaware, turning a xponder off does not magically transform a plane into a stealth aircraft. (If it does, the Air Force owes the American public am explanation for the billions spent on "stealth technology.")

nobody claims the plane turned into a stealth plane. the plane was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. we now know where the plane was the entire time.

Flight 77 went missing and there was never confirmation it reappeared on radar. The CR (commission report) has a suspected flight path with dotted lines between the early mid west and the Pentagon. They claim that is the path but there has never been confirmation. The obvious question is how was it possible for a 757 to fly in US airspace undetected? We kind of have every square inch of our airspace under surveillance from a multitude of civilian and military radars not to mention satellites.

it didnt reappear on radar because it never disappeared. radar tracked the plane for the entire flight including from the minute the transponder was turned off. a 757 didnt fly through US airspace undetected.

One of the earliest items used was the claim by Ted Olson that his wife called him twice and informed him of the hijacking. That claim has long been the center of evidence but now we know he never spoke to his wife. In ZM's trial the FBI provided their evidence of communications between everyone on 77 to the rest of the world. There is a single call attributed to Barbara Olson that lasted "zero seconds." That means Ted never spoke to his wife even though he went on the networks to claim he had first hand evidence of a hijacking and he obtained that info from two phone calls his wife made. Years later, many still wrongly believe those calls are legit. Aside from the FBI evidence there are also other factors, including how Olson himself kept changing his claim. First he said she used a cell phone, then someone pointed out it was a collect call to the DOJ so it must have been an airphone. Then someone pointed out you can't make a collect call from an airphone. Then someone pointed out Flt 77 didn't have airphones. So Ted reverts back to his cell phone claim, that was once again proven false. This link exhaustively checks out the info but the clincher is the FBI's evidence at ZM's trial showing Ted never spoke to Barbara. Why did he lie?

]the call didnt last zero seconds. it lasted 46 seconds. the call was to an operator and is a free call.

the question isnt why did ted olsen lie the question is why are you lying? first he said he didnt know if it was a cell phone or the airphone but it really is irrelevant since we have proof that it was the air phone. the plane did have air phones so the claim it didnt is false. so why is that person lying?

I suspect OCTAs will refer to two items in haste: flight manifest and airport pics. The only problem there is Hanjour's name was not on the earliest manifest released and the importance there is he is the only one to have been attributed to being hijacker trained pilot on 77. The pics are fuzzy and photoshop makes them suspect.

it wasnt a passenger manifest it was a list of the victims. Hanjour was not a victim he was a perpetrator.

You have to be not only one of the most dishonest but also fucking sooper dooper jackasses around. The list i am referring to had both hijackers AND passengers on it! It had the other hijacker's names but not hani hanjour's.

Then you lie again. Your "evidence" of the call lasting 45 seconds came from a fucking OCTA site. You ignore the FBI evidence and instead prefer to refer to that hack site? I already posted the link for the FBi exhibit that showed there was one unconnected call from barb to ted. But you ignore that evidence and claim it was 45 seconds? Fucking dildo!

 

[geauxtohell]

The xponder was turned off around 8:50am and air traffic controllers lost the plane. For those who are unaware, turning a xponder off does not magically transform a plane into a stealth aircraft. (If it does, the Air Force owes the American public am explanation for the billions spent on "stealth technology.")

nobody claims the plane turned into a stealth plane. the plane was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. we now know where the plane was the entire time.


it didnt reappear on radar because it never disappeared. radar tracked the plane for the entire flight including from the minute the transponder was turned off. a 757 didnt fly through US airspace undetected.

]the call didnt last zero seconds. it lasted 46 seconds. the call was to an operator and is a free call.

the question isnt why did ted olsen lie the question is why are you lying? first he said he didnt know if it was a cell phone or the airphone but it really is irrelevant since we have proof that it was the air phone. the plane did have air phones so the claim it didnt is false. so why is that person lying?

I suspect OCTAs will refer to two items in haste: flight manifest and airport pics. The only problem there is Hanjour's name was not on the earliest manifest released and the importance there is he is the only one to have been attributed to being hijacker trained pilot on 77. The pics are fuzzy and photoshop makes them suspect.

it wasnt a passenger manifest it was a list of the victims. Hanjour was not a victim he was a perpetrator.

You have to be not only one of the most dishonest but also fucking sooper dooper jackasses around. The list i am referring to had both hijackers AND passengers on it! It had the other hijacker's names but not hani hanjour's.

Then you lie again. Your "evidence" of the call lasting 45 seconds came from a fucking OCTA site. You ignore the FBI evidence and instead prefer to refer to that hack site? I already posted the link for the FBi exhibit that showed there was one unconnected call from barb to ted. But you ignore that evidence and claim it was 45 seconds? Fucking dildo!

Wow Curve! You finally came out and told us what we already knew; that you are fucking truther loon!

Congratulations on your big step!

 

[CurveLight]

nobody claims the plane turned into a stealth plane. the plane was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. we now know where the plane was the entire time.


it didnt reappear on radar because it never disappeared. radar tracked the plane for the entire flight including from the minute the transponder was turned off. a 757 didnt fly through US airspace undetected.

]the call didnt last zero seconds. it lasted 46 seconds. the call was to an operator and is a free call.

the question isnt why did ted olsen lie the question is why are you lying? first he said he didnt know if it was a cell phone or the airphone but it really is irrelevant since we have proof that it was the air phone. the plane did have air phones so the claim it didnt is false. so why is that person lying?


it wasnt a passenger manifest it was a list of the victims. Hanjour was not a victim he was a perpetrator.

You have to be not only one of the most dishonest but also fucking sooper dooper jackasses around. The list i am referring to had both hijackers AND passengers on it! It had the other hijacker's names but not hani hanjour's.

Then you lie again. Your "evidence" of the call lasting 45 seconds came from a fucking OCTA site. You ignore the FBI evidence and instead prefer to refer to that hack site? I already posted the link for the FBi exhibit that showed there was one unconnected call from barb to ted. But you ignore that evidence and claim it was 45 seconds? Fucking dildo!

Wow Curve! You finally came out and told us what we already knew; that you are fucking truther loon!

Congratulations on your big step!

You're sooper fucking stupid. I have always said I don't know what happened that day. Anybody who doesn't simply accept the OCT is a troofer by default you ass sucking idiot.

 

[Fizz]

You're sooper fucking stupid. I have always said I don't know what happened that day. Anybody who doesn't simply accept the OCT is a troofer by default you ass sucking idiot.

i already told you what happened that day. so you already know. saying you dont know is a lie.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

We are to believe that the Commercial pilots of the airplane flew it into the building according to you? Or that it never hit the building, which requires even MORE leaps of ignorance then that the pilots flew it into the building.

Once again which is it? You keep claiming it was never hijacked. SO what happened? Either the pilots flew it into the building or they flew it off to who knows where for who knows why where all the passengers, crew and the plane simply vanished. Further meaning that 136 eye witnesses all lied about what they saw that day.

Come on tell us which it is?

 

[slackjawed]

I hate to repeat myself, but the truth about 911 is that space aliens abducted the planes and all the passengers to breed a super race to take over the world. They tried once before, but accidently abducted a midget, thereby creating a race of super midgets, which they used on 911. They also previously abducted Elvis, but he was impotent so they could not use him to breed a super race, but he is being used as a trainer. He trained the midgets that cleaned up all traces of the alien attack. The cleanup created enough bodies to 'prove' it was an earth based attack.
That's it people, space aliens, Elvis, super midgets.......the truth is right here.

 

[CurveLight]

You're sooper fucking stupid. I have always said I don't know what happened that day. Anybody who doesn't simply accept the OCT is a troofer by default you ass sucking idiot.

i already told you what happened that day. so you already know. saying you dont know is a lie.

Lol! Wow! Guess shitbag liars like you overcompensate by accusing other people of lying. Here is an example of what lying looks like:


(Edited by Fizz)
"FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."

You straight up lied by cutting off the first part of the sentence. Here is the full sentence:

"Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."
http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...vidence-of-octa-ignorance-in-full-flight.html


You're pathetic.

 

[Fizz]

You're sooper fucking stupid. I have always said I don't know what happened that day. Anybody who doesn't simply accept the OCT is a troofer by default you ass sucking idiot.

i already told you what happened that day. so you already know. saying you dont know is a lie.

Lol! Wow! Guess shitbag liars like you overcompensate by accusing other people of lying. Here is an example of what lying looks like:


(Edited by Fizz)
"FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."

You straight up lied by cutting off the first part of the sentence. Here is the full sentence:

"Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."
http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...vidence-of-octa-ignorance-in-full-flight.html


You're pathetic.

the problem is that you dont understand english. my statement is correct. it was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. if you wish to dispute that please provide proof of your accusations, jackass!!!

 

[CurveLight]

We are to believe that the Commercial pilots of the airplane flew it into the building according to you? Or that it never hit the building, which requires even MORE leaps of ignorance then that the pilots flew it into the building.

Once again which is it? You keep claiming it was never hijacked. SO what happened? Either the pilots flew it into the building or they flew it off to who knows where for who knows why where all the passengers, crew and the plane simply vanished. Further meaning that 136 eye witnesses all lied about what they saw that day.

Come on tell us which it is?

I have not claimed it was not hijacked you fucking jackass. The OP simply asks for positive evidence it was. It's pretty much useless discussing this issue because you pussies constantly put words in other's mouths, ignore evidence that undermines the OCT, and then concoct bizarre fairy tales of "Well it must have been a X error" every time something doesn't support the OCT. You don't give a rat's ass the government has engaged in suppressing evidence for years, the 9E Commission omitted anything that challenged the OCT, and you simply broad brush all those who question the OCT as crazy. In short, you're worthless.

 

[CurveLight]

i already told you what happened that day. so you already know. saying you dont know is a lie.

Lol! Wow! Guess shitbag liars like you overcompensate by accusing other people of lying. Here is an example of what lying looks like:


(Edited by Fizz)
"FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."

You straight up lied by cutting off the first part of the sentence. Here is the full sentence:

"Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56."
http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...vidence-of-octa-ignorance-in-full-flight.html


You're pathetic.

the problem is that you dont understand english. my statement is correct. it was tracked from the time the transponder was turned off. if you wish to dispute that please provide proof of your accusations, jackass!!!

Lol....little whiny bitch. You failed to support your claim, even with LYING and ignore the fact the CR states 77 flew UNDETECTED for 36 minutes. You just helped demonstrate what I pointed out in my last post. Go change your tampon.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

We are to believe that the Commercial pilots of the airplane flew it into the building according to you? Or that it never hit the building, which requires even MORE leaps of ignorance then that the pilots flew it into the building.

Once again which is it? You keep claiming it was never hijacked. SO what happened? Either the pilots flew it into the building or they flew it off to who knows where for who knows why where all the passengers, crew and the plane simply vanished. Further meaning that 136 eye witnesses all lied about what they saw that day.

Come on tell us which it is?

I have not claimed it was not hijacked you fucking jackass. The OP simply asks for positive evidence it was. It's pretty much useless discussing this issue because you pussies constantly put words in other's mouths, ignore evidence that undermines the OCT, and then concoct bizarre fairy tales of "Well it must have been a X error" every time something doesn't support the OCT. You don't give a rat's ass the government has engaged in suppressing evidence for years, the 9E Commission omitted anything that challenged the OCT, and you simply broad brush all those who question the OCT as crazy. In short, you're worthless.

Look, either it was Hijacked or it wasn't. You claim there is no evidence it was hijacked, we keep telling you the evidence is the hole it made when it made contact with the Pentagon. The dead bodies in said building, the absolute proof the plane slammed into the Pentagon.

Which leaves you with several options. IF the plane was not hijacked the pilots flew the plane into the building or the pilots flew the plane off to never never land while a missile plowed into the Pentagon. Both of those options leave you with providing US with evidence either happened.

I can drudge up TONS of physical evidence, eye witness accounts and secondary evidence that CLEARLY provides overwhelming evidence the flight hit the Pentagon. You and your whiney " the door was never opened" and "there was no phone call" do not NEGATE any of the evidence that tell us the plane slammed into the Pentagon.

SO if it was not Hijacked, why were the known terrorists on the plane, why did it slam into the Pentagon and HOW? I repeat, do you have some evidence or any sane reason to suspect the commercial pilots flew the plane into the Pentagon?

Same with flight 93. OVERWHELMING evidence it slammed into the hole in the ground in Pennsylvania. Plane debris, body parts and eye witness accounts. Again if it was not flight 93 how did all the EVIDENCE get there? Who flew the plane off to never never land?