Jack Morris, Alan Trammell Voted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame

[gipper]

If you elect Jack Morris ....why not Denny McClain and Mickey Lolich?

Okay by me.

However it is too late for both and Denny would never get in, after all his shenanigans.

Lolich was great...and had a very long effective career. He did eat too many donuts.

Lolich won three games in the 1968 World Series. All complete games. This has not been done by many. He beat the unbeatable Bob Gibson in game 7.

He won 14 or more games for 10 consecutive seasons....nearly all complete games. 200 or more strike outs seven times...fourth among all left handers.

He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

Sadly...had Lolich pitched for the Yankees, he would have been a first ballot inductee.

 

[rightwinger]

If you elect Jack Morris ....why not Denny McClain and Mickey Lolich?

Okay by me.

However it is too late for both and Denny would never get in, after all his shenanigans.

Lolich was great...and had a very long effective career. He did eat too many donuts.

Lolich won three games in the 1968 World Series. All complete games. This has not been done by many. He beat the unbeatable Bob Gibson in game 7.

He won 14 or more games for 10 consecutive seasons....nearly all complete games. 200 or more strike outs seven times...fourth among all left handers.

He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I remember that series.
Denny McClain, after winning 31 games was ineffective
The Cards went up 3-1 and saved Bob Gibson for game seven if they needed him. Lolich had pitched a complete game five and came back on short rest to beat Gibson in game seven

 

[gipper]

If you elect Jack Morris ....why not Denny McClain and Mickey Lolich?

Okay by me.

However it is too late for both and Denny would never get in, after all his shenanigans.

Lolich was great...and had a very long effective career. He did eat too many donuts.

Lolich won three games in the 1968 World Series. All complete games. This has not been done by many. He beat the unbeatable Bob Gibson in game 7.

He won 14 or more games for 10 consecutive seasons....nearly all complete games. 200 or more strike outs seven times...fourth among all left handers.

He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I remember that series.
Denny McClain, after winning 31 games was ineffective
The Cards went up 3-1 and saved Bob Gibson for game seven if they needed him. Lolich had pitched a complete game five and came back on short rest to beat Gibson in game seven

I remember it well having grown up in Detroit. It was a great series. Willie Horton threw out Lou Brock at the plate to give the tigers a win in Detroit.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Nolan Ryan was spectacularly good...despite playing on some TERRIBLE teams. 324 wins, 11x(!) strikeout leader, seven no-hitters, 5714 strikeouts. And...SEVEN FUCKING NO-HITTERS!

He won 40 games in 2 seasons on Angels teams that couldn't hit (16 losses with a 2.28 ERA in one season)...he set an AL record with 329 strikeouts in 1972, but it only stood for one season. (He struck out 383 the next year!) At age 40, he had a 2.76 ERA and 270 strikeouts...but with an 8-16 record on a lousy Astros team.

Nolan played on average, not terrible, teams for his career. His career w-l was only 52% which is mediocre for a guy whose teams were about 50%.

He also had 292 losses which is the MOST for any pitcher who spent his whole career after 1900

All-time k leader. But also all-time bb leader.

Who cares about no-hitters?. The idea is to win games for your team and a 3 hit shutout is just as good as a no-hitter.

Ryan's era percentage was about 90% of the league average for his time. Good but far from great.

RYAN WAS WAY OVER-RATED.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Bonds cheated. Period, end of story, nothing else matters. The only disgrace is that no pitcher had the stones to put a 98MPH fastball between his eyes.

Gaylord Perry is the biggest cheater in the history of sports and he's in the HOF.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Bonds went from a guy who hit 38 HRs a year to a guy who hit 70
All because of steroids

Bonds would have had a greater career if he had stayed under 200 pounds. The roids made him stronger but the added bulk took away his fantastic speed.

 

[rightwinger]

Bonds went from a guy who hit 38 HRs a year to a guy who hit 70
All because of steroids

Bonds would have had a greater career if he had stayed under 200 pounds. The roids made him stronger but the added bulk took away his fantastic speed.

Bonds went from being a great athlete to a freak
His head grew bizarly and his proportions were awkward

Poster boy for why you should stay away from steroids

 

[ShootSpeeders]

[QUOTE="rightwinger, post: 18844289, member: 20321"
Bonds went from being a great athlete to a freak
His head grew bizarly and his proportions were awkward
Poster boy for why you should stay away from steroids[/QUOTE]

Yes bonds was fantastic before steroids. The best hitter in baseball and the best LF of all time and a great baserunner. The steroids made him stronger but not a better player.

 

[sealybobo]

Trammell is ok but morris had a good w-l record and not much else.

Jack Morris, Alan Trammell Voted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame

dec 10 2017 Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were both elected to the Baseball Hall Of Fame today, as announced on the MLB Network. The two longtime Tigers greats were voted in via the HOF’s Modern Baseball Era Committee, who weighed the cases of Morris, Trammell and eight others who weren’t originally selected in the traditional writers’ vote. (MLB.com’s Barry M. Bloom has the details on the Modern Era Committee’s composition and process.)

Both Morris and Trammell went the full 15 years on the Baseball Writers’ Association Of America ballot without getting the necessary 75% of the vote necessary for election. Still, both players (as well as the others on the Modern Era Committee’s ballot) had their share of supporters who felt that the duo was long overdue to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

Morris won 254 games over his 18-year career, with 14 of those seasons coming in Detroit. While advanced metrics weren’t always keen on Morris’ work, he was a prototypical old-school workhorse, tossing complete games in 175 of his 527 career starts. His most famous outing, in fact, was a complete game on the sport’s biggest stage — Morris tossed 10 shutout innings in Game Seven of the 1991 World Series to help lead the Twins to the championship. That was one of four World Series rings Morris earned during his career, while posting a 3.90 ERA and 2478 strikeouts over his 3824 career innings.

Trammell spent all 20 seasons of his career in Detroit, highlighted by his World Series MVP performance in the Tigers’ championship season in 1984. Trammell hit .285/.352/.415 with 185 homers over 9376 career plate appearances, with six All-Star appearances, four Gold Gloves and three Silver Slugger Awards to his credit. Despite this impressive resume, Trammell’s overall steady play may have actually led to his being underrated in comparison to star shortstops of his era (as recently argued by MLB.com’s Joe Posnanski), hence his long wait for Cooperstown.

Morris won World Series with Detroit and Toronto. What about sweet lou? He’s next

 

[sealybobo]

If you elect Jack Morris ....why not Denny McClain and Mickey Lolich?

They only won one

 

[sealybobo]

[QUOTE="rightwinger, post: 18844289, member: 20321"
Bonds went from being a great athlete to a freak
His head grew bizarly and his proportions were awkward
Poster boy for why you should stay away from steroids

Yes bonds was fantastic before steroids. The best hitter in baseball and the best LF of all time and a great baserunner. The steroids made him stronger but not a better player.[/QUOTE]
Ken Griffey jr was good too

 

[sealybobo]

Babe Ruth was a gambler and a fatty

Yes, but he turned the old HR record of 12 to 24 and then a staggering 60. He made the owners many millions and turned baseball into Americas Game.

I think most serious baseball fans would still say ruth was the greatest player of all time. Hard to believe of a guy born in the 1800s but that's baseball.

When’s the next wilt chamberlain going to be born? Or Gretzky

 

[Synthaholic]

Trammel perhaps, but Jack Morris doesn't have HoF credentials, no matter how generous you are.

The fact that Marvin Miller was again denied is a farce. And purely vindictive.

The biggest omission is Mike Mussina, who is far superior to Morris.

Open these two pages an flip back and forth. You tell me.

Mike Mussina Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

Jack Morris Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[sealybobo]

You have to evaluate players according to the era in which they played. Ruth only hit home runs? Are you a fucking moron? Lifetime batting average over .340!

The HOF means less and less over time. Players who were pretty good are elected all the time.

Nolan Ryan was much better than his numbers. He had a tremendous effect on every game he started. He invariably faced the Ace of the opposing team, and his teammates batted squat behind him. He pitched 7 no-hitters and a thousand one-hitters because he needed to; his teammates just didn't score for him.

Not to mention, he was one of the classiest guys every to play MLB.

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

Pete rose too

 

[Synthaholic]

Trevor Hoffman should have been voted in, also. In the 600+ Saves category it's just him and Mariano. There are no 500+ Save pitchers. Third is Lee Smith with 478.

 

[Lewdog]

It's bullshit. Dave Concepcion was the best short stop of the astro-turf generation, and even invented the skip throw to first base. 9 time All-star, 5 Gold Gloves, part of the best team of All-time The Big Red Machine. He should be in the Hall before Trammel.

Not even close. Best shortstop on turf was Ozzie Smith. Period, full stop. Ozzie had 13 consecutive Gold Gloves (every year 1980-92), and was a 15x All-Star (1981-92 and 1994-96).

Ozzie Smith got more attention because the Cardinals were a better team during his period... MLB is huge on players getting more credit when they are on better teams.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Nolan Ryan was much better than his numbers. He had a tremendous effect on every game he started. He invariably faced the Ace of the opposing team, and his teammates batted squat behind him. He pitched 7 no-hitters and a thousand one-hitters because he needed to; his teammates just didn't score for him.

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

Ryan's career era as a percent of league era is just so-so. The idea that he pitched great but had no offensive support is a myth. He never was great and is just a marginal HOFer.

As for Bonds, part of the reason pitchers walked him so much is because he lost his great speed after he bulked up. I do think he belongs in the HOF since he didn't need steroids to get there. He was sensational when he weighed 190. Guys like sosa and mcgwire had HOF stats BECAUSE they were juiced and i'd say keep them out.

McGwire and Bonds used to extend their careers, keep them near their peak while aging. People forget McGwire hit 49HR's as a rookie.

Well the walks to Bonds were thoroughly about respect, I don't know what his slugging % was, but even with his bulk and reduced speed he could trot into second just as easily if he didn't hit a HR.

 

[Lewdog]

[QUOTE="rightwinger, post: 18844289, member: 20321"
Bonds went from being a great athlete to a freak
His head grew bizarly and his proportions were awkward
Poster boy for why you should stay away from steroids

Yes bonds was fantastic before steroids. The best hitter in baseball and the best LF of all time and a great baserunner. The steroids made him stronger but not a better player.

Ken Griffey jr was good too[/QUOTE]


Griffey NEVER took steroids.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The four World Series rings had a lot to do with Morris induction...

Three not four.

Read the article because it state four rings.

Baseball-reference.com says 3.. THINK

Jack Morris Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

Four. 1984 Tigers, 1991 Twins, 1992 and 1993 Blue Jays. Also the 1991 World Series MVP. His 1991 WS game 7 performance got him in the HoF.

Plus sometimes those defining career moments that resonate with the game outshine and cast a long shadow. For Morris it was his game 7 performance in which he refused (imagine trying to do that in todays game?) a reliever and won a 1-0 extra inning game against Atlanta. If you can do a couple of those things in your career, it is worth at extra all-star year. Fairly or not.

 

[Synthaholic]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.