Jack Morris, Alan Trammell Voted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame

[Lewdog]

Sutter made the HOF with only 1000 innings for his career. An everyday player has around 1400 innings every year! Sutter's whole career was essentially just 2/3 of a season. That's pathetic.

He won a Cy Young as a relief pitcher, and doesn't he hold the record for most saves of 2+ innings? He got saves before it became a one inning or less thing.

 

[Lewdog]

Bullshit. John Franco deserves to be in hall. Only bad thing is he will go in as a Met not a Red.

For a relief pitcher to make the Hall he has to be super - like mariano. Franco was merely pretty good. He got CY votes in only ONE year and that year he was 7th. I say no way.

Franco played 21 years in the majors and is 5th all time in saves with a career ERA under 3.

 

[Synthaholic]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

No, they should have nothing except the uniform. Pitchers should definitely be banned from wearing jewelry, especially those chains that distract and reflect light. A wedding ring should be the only exception, just to avoid another hissy-fit FoxNews segment.

 

[Synthaholic]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

I remember back in the early 90's it was a big deal because guys like Galaraga, Bagwell, and Biggio were wearing those shin guards.

With 100 mph fastballs, you should wear whatever protection you are comfortable with

No, you should have the reflexes to get out of the way.

"Baseball ain't no pink tea" - Ty Cobb

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Franco played 21 years in the majors and is 5th all time in saves with a career ERA under 3.

Saves are idiotic. The worst of all the common stats. Franco did have a great ERA though.

 

[Synthaholic]

Trevor Hoffman should have been voted in, also. In the 600+ Saves category it's just him and Mariano. There are no 500+ Save pitchers. Third is Lee Smith with 478.

Relief pitchers do NOT belong in the HOF. I make an exception for wilhelm and mariano but sutter and gossage should have been left out.

Saves are a joke stat. Even worse than batting average.

Bullshit. John Franco deserves to be in hall. Only bad thing is he will go in as a Met not a Red.

His stats are not as good as some other relievers. He has a really low WAR.

John Franco Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

 

[Synthaholic]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

I remember back in the early 90's it was a big deal because guys like Galaraga, Bagwell, and Biggio were wearing those shin guards.

The shin guards are not for pitches...they are to protect the shin and foot from foul balls.

Maybe they should just grow some balls.

 

[GHook93]

Trammell is ok but morris had a good w-l record and not much else.

Jack Morris, Alan Trammell Voted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame

dec 10 2017 Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were both elected to the Baseball Hall Of Fame today, as announced on the MLB Network. The two longtime Tigers greats were voted in via the HOF’s Modern Baseball Era Committee, who weighed the cases of Morris, Trammell and eight others who weren’t originally selected in the traditional writers’ vote. (MLB.com’s Barry M. Bloom has the details on the Modern Era Committee’s composition and process.)

Both Morris and Trammell went the full 15 years on the Baseball Writers’ Association Of America ballot without getting the necessary 75% of the vote necessary for election. Still, both players (as well as the others on the Modern Era Committee’s ballot) had their share of supporters who felt that the duo was long overdue to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

Morris won 254 games over his 18-year career, with 14 of those seasons coming in Detroit. While advanced metrics weren’t always keen on Morris’ work, he was a prototypical old-school workhorse, tossing complete games in 175 of his 527 career starts. His most famous outing, in fact, was a complete game on the sport’s biggest stage — Morris tossed 10 shutout innings in Game Seven of the 1991 World Series to help lead the Twins to the championship. That was one of four World Series rings Morris earned during his career, while posting a 3.90 ERA and 2478 strikeouts over his 3824 career innings.

Trammell spent all 20 seasons of his career in Detroit, highlighted by his World Series MVP performance in the Tigers’ championship season in 1984. Trammell hit .285/.352/.415 with 185 homers over 9376 career plate appearances, with six All-Star appearances, four Gold Gloves and three Silver Slugger Awards to his credit. Despite this impressive resume, Trammell’s overall steady play may have actually led to his being underrated in comparison to star shortstops of his era (as recently argued by MLB.com’s Joe Posnanski), hence his long wait for Cooperstown.

Morris’s sub-4 era, 4 rings and most impressive 175 complete games!

Trammell was a steady producer at SS and a clutch player, his induction was well deserved.


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[Jarlaxle]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

I remember back in the early 90's it was a big deal because guys like Galaraga, Bagwell, and Biggio were wearing those shin guards.

With 100 mph fastballs, you should wear whatever protection you are comfortable with

No, you should have the reflexes to get out of the way.

"Baseball ain't no pink tea" - Ty Cobb

Nobody does.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Bonds had the best years EVER, steroids or no. He hit all those home runs while the opposing pitchers refused to throw anything over the plate! They were petrified of him. And regardless of the excess muscularity resulting from his use of "substances" you still have to put the bat on the ball. Keeping him out is a disgrace. One of the best ever, even if he was a jerk.

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

I remember back in the early 90's it was a big deal because guys like Galaraga, Bagwell, and Biggio were wearing those shin guards.

The shin guards are not for pitches...they are to protect the shin and foot from foul balls.

Maybe they should just grow some balls.

Stop trolling, dumbass.

 

[Lewdog]

Trevor Hoffman should have been voted in, also. In the 600+ Saves category it's just him and Mariano. There are no 500+ Save pitchers. Third is Lee Smith with 478.

Relief pitchers do NOT belong in the HOF. I make an exception for wilhelm and mariano but sutter and gossage should have been left out.

Saves are a joke stat. Even worse than batting average.

Bullshit. John Franco deserves to be in hall. Only bad thing is he will go in as a Met not a Red.

His stats are not as good as some other relievers. He has a really low WAR.

John Franco Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

That can be... an illusion with Franco. He spent a lot of years in the mid 80's playing for Reds teams that weren't worth a shit. I mean until the Reds had their break out year in 1990... with the Bad Boys in the bullpen, they really weren't that good, and in 1990 Franco was with the Mets.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

His stats are not as good as some other relievers. He has a really low WAR.

Almost all RPs have a low war - as to be expected since they pitch so little. Even mariano's WAR is just 57. That's super for an RP but most HOF players are around 70.

 

[Lewdog]

His stats are not as good as some other relievers. He has a really low WAR.

Almost all RPs have a low war - as to be expected since they pitch so little. Even mariano's WAR is just 57. That's super for an RP but most HOF players are around 70.

Franco was a lefty.

 

[Synthaholic]

and most impressive 175 complete games!

That is impressive.

 

[Synthaholic]

What bullshit. Bonds was allowed to come to the plate in a suit of armor, taking away the effectiveness of the inside brush-back pitch. So he leaned over the plate, enabling him to hit outside pitches he never would have reached. And MLB let him get away with it because he was hitting homers at an unprecedented rate.

You should be able to wear whatever "armor" you want

I remember back in the early 90's it was a big deal because guys like Galaraga, Bagwell, and Biggio were wearing those shin guards.

With 100 mph fastballs, you should wear whatever protection you are comfortable with

No, you should have the reflexes to get out of the way.

"Baseball ain't no pink tea" - Ty Cobb

Nobody does.

You're crazy. They do it all season long.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Almost all RPs have a low war - as to be expected since they pitch so little. Even mariano's WAR is just 57. That's super for an RP but most HOF players are around 70.

Franco was a lefty.

HAHAHA. Hey einstein. RP means relief pitcher The acronym for a right handed pitcher is RHP.

Your stupidity is off the charts.

 

[Lewdog]

Almost all RPs have a low war - as to be expected since they pitch so little. Even mariano's WAR is just 57. That's super for an RP but most HOF players are around 70.

Franco was a lefty.

HAHAHA. Hey einstein. RP means relief pitcher The acronym for a right handed pitcher is RHP.

Your stupidity is off the charts.

No I've seen people say RP for righthand pitcher too. Why would you watch baseball anyway? Isn't there too many minority players?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Morris’s sub-4 era, 4 rings and most impressive 175 complete games!

Complete games don't mean much anymore. And his ERA was just slightly better than the league ERA at that time. And he had 3 WS rings, not 4.

He's not a terrible choice like sutter and gossage were, but he is borderline.

 

[Lewdog]

Morris’s sub-4 era, 4 rings and most impressive 175 complete games!

Complete games don't mean much anymore. And his ERA was just slightly better than the league ERA at that time. And he had 3 WS rings, not 4.

He's not a terrible choice like sutter and gossage were, but he is borderline.

Really? IP's is a big deal these days as lots of pitchers get shut down so not to damage their arm. Very few guys are innings eaters that throw CG anymore.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

HAHAHA. Hey einstein. RP means relief pitcher The acronym for a right handed pitcher is RHP.
Your stupidity is off the charts.

No I've seen people say RP for righthand pitcher too. Why would you watch baseball anyway? Isn't there too many minority players?

I haven't seen a BB game in decades. Not on TV or at the stadium. Anyway - RP means relief pitcher .THINK