It's not JUST about Sharpton or Jesse! The Right wing hates ALL black leaders!

[Liability]

If the good Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. espoused (a) the righteousness of racial equality and (b) the desirability of socialism, does it really strike you as being all that impossible that we might agree with him on the former but nevertheless disagree with him on the latter?

 

[Pheonixops]

They say that Sharpton and Jesse are dividing America. Thats the same thing they said about MLK

they say that Sharpton and Jesse are race pimps. Thats the same thing they said about MLK

They say that Sharpton and Jesse are toublemakers. Thats the same thing they said about MLK

The fact is that throughout history, the right wing in America has NEVER and will never like black leaders, accept black leaders and will always denounce them.

Unless, some right winger here can name ONE black leader that is for the black community that they respect. Just ONE.

I was just a little kid when MLK was doing his thing. MLK was more honest than these guys. He wasn't doing attack-dog action for the Democrat Party.

The problem with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton is they lie their asses off and I'm afraid I can't respect that.

Ever read what MLK Jr said about Barry Goldwater and the republican party for choosing Goldwater?

If you notice a common thread amongst some white and some allegedly "black" conservatives, it's that they tend to favor and call some of these people "leaders" when they perpetuate and advocate the theme of; "Dem blacks dey be bad massa, dey be on da democrat plantation massa, when dey should be votin for you massa, so der fo, dey be brainwashed". The are "the Blacks" who are on their approved list of negroes.

 

[Pheonixops]

"Cosby was wearing his standard uniform—dark sunglasses, loafers, a sweat suit emblazoned with the seal of an institution of higher learning. That night it was the University of Massachusetts, where he’d gotten his doctorate in education 30 years ago. He was preaching from the book of black self-reliance, a gospel that he has spent the past four years carrying across the country in a series of events that he bills as “call-outs.” “My problem,” Cosby told the audience, “is I’m tired of losing to white people. When I say I don’t care about white people, I mean let them say what they want to say. What can they say to me that’s worse than what their grandfather said?"
‘This Is How We Lost to the White Man’ - Atlantic Mobile
Cosby is very pro-black and preaching a rightist message. Self reliance is NOT a leftist value.

I disagree. Is Farrakhan a "leftist" or a "rightist"?

 

[Salt Jones]

If the good Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. espoused (a) the righteousness of racial equality and (b) the desirability of socialism, does it really strike you as being all that impossible that we might agree with him on the former but nevertheless disagree with him on the latter?

That's a bullshit statement and a cop out. His means for getting to racial equality was with reparations and quotas. Do you agree with reparations and racial quotas?

 

[Pheonixops]

"Cosby was wearing his standard uniform—dark sunglasses, loafers, a sweat suit emblazoned with the seal of an institution of higher learning. That night it was the University of Massachusetts, where he’d gotten his doctorate in education 30 years ago. He was preaching from the book of black self-reliance, a gospel that he has spent the past four years carrying across the country in a series of events that he bills as “call-outs.” “My problem,” Cosby told the audience, “is I’m tired of losing to white people. When I say I don’t care about white people, I mean let them say what they want to say. What can they say to me that’s worse than what their grandfather said?"
‘This Is How We Lost to the White Man’ - Atlantic Mobile
Cosby is very pro-black and preaching a rightist message. Self reliance is NOT a leftist value.

You are right. It's the same message preached by Rev Louis Farakhan. Now research back to the racial revenge movies Cosby financed in the 70's.

Yep!

 

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[Liability]

I was just a little kid when MLK was doing his thing. MLK was more honest than these guys. He wasn't doing attack-dog action for the Democrat Party.

The problem with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton is they lie their asses off and I'm afraid I can't respect that.

Ever read what MLK Jr said about Barry Goldwater and the republican party for choosing Goldwater?

If you notice a common thread amongst some white and some allegedly "black" conservatives, it's that they tend to favor and call some of these people "leaders" when they perpetuate and advocate the theme of; "Dem blacks dey be bad massa, dey be on da democrat plantation massa, when dey should be votin for you massa, so der fo, dey be brainwashed". The are "the Blacks" who are on their approved list of negroes.

There are "good" and "bad" in all peoples and all races.

It has nothing at all to do with that childish stereotype drivel posted by Phoenix, however.

I can disagree with the racial pandering of assholes like Al Sharpton without classifying him as a "bad" black man.

I can admire Justice Thomas without classifying him as a "good" black man. Indeed, I don't usually think of them by race. I think of them by the positions they stand for.

I can disagree with scumbags like Saul Alinsky or Bill Ayers without classifying them by color at all. Bill Ayers is a bad human being.

 

[LockeJaw]

Someones feelings are hurt. MLK was an adulterer too as the right wing likes to remind us of that.

Feel better? Want some milk?

He made up for it. Jackson and sharpton haven't made up for their sordid pasts.

How did he "make up for it"???

He successfully fought the good fight not just for us black folks,but for american society as a whole. His personal failings could never take that away.

Regardless if I agree or disagree with every other thing he stood for, his brave campaign for civil rights and Americans seeing each other as Americans and judging on the character and not skin was and continues to be a righteous cause.


That's how, for me.

 

[Salt Jones]

I was just a little kid when MLK was doing his thing. MLK was more honest than these guys. He wasn't doing attack-dog action for the Democrat Party.

The problem with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton is they lie their asses off and I'm afraid I can't respect that.

Ever read what MLK Jr said about Barry Goldwater and the republican party for choosing Goldwater?

If you notice a common thread amongst some white and some allegedly "black" conservatives, it's that they tend to favor and call some of these people "leaders" when they perpetuate and advocate the theme of; "Dem blacks dey be bad massa, dey be on da democrat plantation massa, when dey should be votin for you massa, so der fo, dey be brainwashed". The are "the Blacks" who are on their approved list of negroes.

That's why I made the statement that Thomas Sowell and David Duke have the same number of black supporters and the same number of white conservative supporters.

 

[Pheonixops]

I was just a little kid when MLK was doing his thing. MLK was more honest than these guys. He wasn't doing attack-dog action for the Democrat Party.

The problem with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton is they lie their asses off and I'm afraid I can't respect that.

Ever read what MLK Jr said about Barry Goldwater and the republican party for choosing Goldwater?

Assist

On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.*

In those days they called him a trouble maker. In these times they would just scream "racist".

Nice "assist"! Excellent points.

 

[Liability]

If the good Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. espoused (a) the righteousness of racial equality and (b) the desirability of socialism, does it really strike you as being all that impossible that we might agree with him on the former but nevertheless disagree with him on the latter?

That's a bullshit statement and a cop out. His means for getting to racial equality was with reparations and quotas. Do you agree with reparations and racial quotas?

No. His objective was to make race irrelevant.

To the extent (if you aren't just vastly over-stating the case as is your usual M.O.) he sought to achieve it by shit like reparations and quotas, then I am free to disagree with his proposed methodology. Wrong is wrong. The ends do not usually justify the means.

You need to get the fuck over yourself. You really aren't all that bright.

 

[Salt Jones]

He made up for it. Jackson and sharpton haven't made up for their sordid pasts.

How did he "make up for it"???

He successfully fought the good fight not just for us black folks,but for american society as a whole. His personal failings could never take that away.

Regardless if I agree or disagree with every other thing he stood for, his brave campaign for civil rights and Americans seeing each other as Americans and judging on the character and not skin was and continues to be a righteous cause.


That's how, for me.

DO you agree with his call for reparations and racial quotas to bring about racial equality?

 

[Pheonixops]

Four pages in and not one except Bill Cosby...Not the "Blaxploitation" Cosby, Not the "Disrespecting Obama because they are racist" Cosby. Just the wag your finger at black people Cosby. Thats the guy they like.

Isnt it interesting how that works?

RIGHT ON THE FUCKING MONEY!!!!!!!!!!! That's their trend or "MO", the big the black idiots who say the things about "the Blacks" that they want to say, see that fool jesse lee peterson's statement:
"One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working," Peterson told The Huffington Post's Black Voices on Tuesday afternoon. "I'm going to put them all on the plantation. They need a good hard education on what it is to work."

This probably gave those bigots uncontrollable mental orgasms when they heard or read that buffoon's statement above.

 

[Salt Jones]

If the good Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. espoused (a) the righteousness of racial equality and (b) the desirability of socialism, does it really strike you as being all that impossible that we might agree with him on the former but nevertheless disagree with him on the latter?

That's a bullshit statement and a cop out. His means for getting to racial equality was with reparations and quotas. Do you agree with reparations and racial quotas?

No. His objective was to make race irrelevant.

To the extent (if you aren't just vastly over-stating the case as is your usual M.O.) he sought to achieve it by shit like reparations and quotas, then I am free to disagree with his proposed methodology. Wrong is wrong. The ends do not usually justify the means.

You need to get the fuck over yourself. You really aren't all that bright.

And you need to read MLK Jr's writings and the text of his speeches. If you did that you wouldn't have to question if I overstated. The reason you made that statement is because you don't know what your talking about.

 

[Pheonixops]

Ok buddy. Dont get your face all wet about it k?

At least you have enough sense to stop your mindless whining when you get outed, dopey.

Please describe how Herman Cain is seen as a leader in and by the Black community.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbv6B8Ky4ns]Herman Cain: "Awwww Shucky Ducky Now" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Liability]

That's a bullshit statement and a cop out. His means for getting to racial equality was with reparations and quotas. Do you agree with reparations and racial quotas?

No. His objective was to make race irrelevant.

To the extent (if you aren't just vastly over-stating the case as is your usual M.O.) he sought to achieve it by shit like reparations and quotas, then I am free to disagree with his proposed methodology. Wrong is wrong. The ends do not usually justify the means.

You need to get the fuck over yourself. You really aren't all that bright.

And you need to read MLK Jr's writings and the text of his speeches. If you did that you wouldn't have to question if I overstated. The reason you made that statement is because you don't know what your talking about.

Wrong. YOU seem impervious to the actual thrust of what I refuted you "argument" with. I don't give a shit if Dr. King favored the absurd notion of "reparations." Fuck that bullshit. Totally irrelevant.

Instead, the POINT is that the GOAL is what we agree with. Make race irrelevant. He famously orated about a day when people did not get judged on the basis of skin color. You -- being a mere race baiting hack -- use that line as fodder for a cheap put-down. Many other people, myself included, instead contemplate those words as having real merit.

 

[Pheonixops]

Why.... because he does'nt agree with you?

No, because blacks think Sowell is a white man's ****** who get's his fame by putting down other blacks, in the same vein as a gangsta rapper.

And Colin Powell? He EARNED everything he ever got, as did Herman Cain, who I dislike, but do not deny he earned his wealth.

Colin Powell is HIGHLY REGARDED.

“As the first African American to serve as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and later the first to serve as Secretary of State, General Powell holds a unique place in American history,” Todd Jealous shared prior to the actual ceremony. “ He is a man of conscience and conviction, who uses his vast influence to promote education and self esteem to our country’s youth.”

Continue reading on Examiner.com Colin L. Powell receives President’s Award at NAACP Image Awards (Photos) - National Celebrity Headlines | Examiner.com Colin L. Powell receives President

 

[Pheonixops]

I think Colin Powell could have been elected President, had he any desire to run for office. I saw no "right wing" hate of Powell.

Have yo seen what a lot of right wingers said about General Powell after he endorsed President Obama??? They call him nice names like Colin Bowell, etc., he's not to popular amongst those assholes. Here:
Fox panelist Nick Dipaolo says the GOP should ignore Colin Powell’s advice that the party should leave Rush Limbaugh behind and move towards the center. “Who cares what Colin Powell thinks?”

"Colin Powell is another false hero. He is sad example of people's desperate desire for true leadership. Colin Powell is a RINO at best and an Affirmative Action General.

Since few people have the chutzpa to say it I will: I NEVER liked the guy.

He stood in front of a bunch of screaming Homosexuals at Harvard and cow towed down to them. This has NEVER been the kind of leader I wanted, he has never been good for America, and he never will be.

He is polished and puts on a good public persona.

Then again, many game show hosts are polished and put on a good public persona.

How about Wink Martindale for president? "

Colon Powell Blames Media and Tea Party for Divisive Tone in Washington - Sean Hannity Discussion

oh my gawd, all those are SO HORRIBLE...
I guess they should of called him a UNCLE TOM like the left does any Black Republican-Conservative.

It proved my point. I don't hear "the left' calling tony Brown an "Uncle Tom"....

 

[Pheonixops]

Allen West
Condoleeza Rice
Walter E. Williams
Thomas Sowell

Oh wait, those are leaders that happen to be black. They make an effort to lead the entire community, not just the black community.

Who is alan west "leading"?
Who is Condoleeza Rice "leading"? ""My own personal view is that there are circumstances in which it is necessary to use race as a factor among many factors in diversifying a college class," she told the network "And so I've been a supporter of affirmative action that is not quota based and that does not seek to make race the only factor, but that considers race as one of many factors."
Who is Walter E. Williams & Thomas Sowell "leading"? Who has called them "leaders"

By the (suppressed premise) definition you appear to be using, it would be perfectly fair to argue that there are no leaders anywhere.

For nobody leads everyone.

That's true. I have no "leader" (well except for my wife), I'm the captain of my own ship.

 

[Pheonixops]

The dems were the ones who hated MLK, btw.

Who was a Republican.
"

Character assassination. That's the tactic used by Democrats in the 1960's to
discredit Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. a Republican who was fighting the
Democrats and trying to stop them from denying civil rights to blacks.
The relentless disparagement of Dr. King by Democrats led to his being
physically assaulted and ultimately to his tragic death. In March of 1968, while
referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where
a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the
Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs
like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to
Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.
Prior to his death, Democrats bombed Dr. King's home several times. The scurrilous efforts by the
Democrats to harm Dr. King included spreading rumors that he was a Communist and accusing him​

of being a womanizer and a plagiarist."

http://images.nbra.info/docs/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/Democrats%20Smeared%20MLK%20in%20the%201960's.pdf

Is this Martin Luther King's republican agenda:
Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.

King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

Myth # 5: King supported the free market.

King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth (does that sound familiar? See Obama and Joe da plumma) and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.
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But hey! Thanks for the laugh!

But this goes against "content of character" MLK Jr. I guess you can't whitewash his own writings.

Yeah, that's because fake assholes like hannity et al, take one sentence out of an enire speech and try to use it to promote their agendas.