Issues of morality shuts Christians up.

[daveman]

How was your ticket purchased? With innocent blood.

Key fact ignored in your post.

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

 

[FactFinder]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

Tell me where in the scripture it tells us specifically about "Trinity". Did Jesus not always defer to"The Father"?

 

[MikeHoncho]

so you're asking whether or not the author/provider of morality is moral?

I'm confused by the question.

 

[GreatestIam]

If you had God’s power to set the conditions for atonement, would you step up yourself or would you send your child to die?


According to the notions of Trinity there is no differnece between Jesus and God. They are "One". So your logic has great fallacy.

Excuse me while I separate myself far from you... May God bless and understand your uh.. what can I call it except ignorance.

Thanks for the strawman.

The usual Christian response. You could not refute say just decided to insult.

Show scriptures that say that your three headed God can die.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Your veiw of my God is interesting but you sure know who to twist the truth or at least my truth. God makes only one promise for his children and that he will love us and provide a way to salvation. He doesn't not saves us only provide the path. We are all saved if we chose. He have given each of us a ticket but it is at the ticket office, we have to go there and pick it up. Some do and some don't. Best of luck to you all.

How was your ticket purchased? With innocent blood.

Key fact ignored in your post.

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

 

[daveman]

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

Tell me where in the scripture it tells us specifically about "Trinity". Did Jesus not always defer to"The Father"?

What's your point? You're not interested in converting to Christianity. Are you hoping to talk me out of my faith?

 

[daveman]

How was your ticket purchased? With innocent blood.

Key fact ignored in your post.

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

There was a need: To redeem man.

 

[GreatestIam]

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

Tell me where in the scripture it tells us specifically about "Trinity". Did Jesus not always defer to"The Father"?

Originally Posted by animefan48
Well, the reality is most Christians do buy into the trinity doctrine because of persecution of the early Gnostics and non-Trinitarians, and the religious councils were dissenters were forced to agree to a Trinitarian theology. Many Unitarian and Universalist theologies argue that when Jesus said he was the way, he meant that he was an example of how to live to be united/reunited with God. As for the name, God does give other names for himself including the Alpha and Omega, as well as some believe a name that should not be written (or even spoken I believe). Honestly, I think using the name I Am That I Am would just be confusing and convoluted, seriously. I seriously do not believe that it is a continuation of Gnostic/mystical/Unitarian suppression. Even the Gnostic and mystical traditions within Islam and Christianity do not tend to use that name, and among the 99 Names of Allah, I did not find that one. Also, many Rastafarians believe that the Holy Spirit lives in humans and will sometimes say I and I instead of we, yet they don't seem to use the name I Am for God/Jah either, so I really don't think it can be related to suppressing mystical and Gnostic interpretations. I think that originally oppressing those ideas and decreeing them heretical are quite enough, the early Church did such a good job that after the split many Protestant groups continued to condemn mystical and later Gnostic sects and theologies.


Yup, the bishops voted and it was settled for all time!!1 (Some say the preliminary votes were 150 something to 140 something in favor of the trinity)

But then Constantine stepped in: After a prolonged and inconclusive debate, the impatient Constantine intervened to force an end to the conflict by demanding the adoption of the creed. The vote was taken under threat of exile for any who did not support the decision favored by Constantine. (And later, they fully endorsed the trinity idea when it all happened again at the council of Constantinople in AD 381, where only Trinitarians were invited to attend. Surprise! They also managed to carry a vote in favor of the Trinity.)

http://home.pacific.net.au/~amaxwell/bdigest/bd12bbs.tx


Even a Trinitarian scholar admits the Earliest & Original beliefs were NOT Trinitarian!

The trinity formulation is a later corruption away from the earliest & original beliefs!

"It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity, as a doctrine, formed no part of the original message. St Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed".
Dr. W R Matthews, Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, "God in Christian Thought and Experience", p.180

"In order to understand the doctrine of the Trinity it is necessary to understand that the doctrine is a development, and why it developed. ... It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament".
R Hanson: "Reasonable Belief, A survey of the Christian Faith, p.171-173, 1980

The doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament.
New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 306.

"The formulation ‘One God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective"
New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299.

"The formulation ‘One God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299).

"Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary a deviation from this teaching" (The Encyclopedia Americana, p. 1956, p. 2941).

Was Jesus God to Paul and other early Christians? No. . . . .
(Source: How the Bible became the Bible by Donald L. O'Dell - ISBN 0-7414-2993-4 Published by INFINITY Publishing.com)

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Constantine would have it no other way.


Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

so you're asking whether or not the author/provider of morality is moral?

I'm confused by the question.

I know. It has to do with morals.

If a lawmaker, or as you call him, the author/provider of morality, breaks his own laws, is he a moral lawmaker?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

There was a need: To redeem man.

Who condemnend him?

God did and decided only his death would redeem him.
What is that ?
Some kind of latent suicide wish.

Would you condemn someone knowing that only your death would reverse it?
Only if you are an insane fool.

Regards
DL

 

[tonystewart1]

Your idea of applying morality as we know it in our carnal bodies and minds to God is not right. Your logic is false.

 

[daveman]

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

There was a need: To redeem man.

Who condemnend him?

God did and decided only his death would redeem him.
What is that ?
Some kind of latent suicide wish.

Would you condemn someone knowing that only your death would reverse it?
Only if you are an insane fool.

Regards
DL

So, how many people have you talking into abandoning their faith?

If you say any number greater than zero, you're lying.

 

[daveman]

There was a need: To redeem man.

Who condemnend him?

God did and decided only his death would redeem him.
What is that ?
Some kind of latent suicide wish.

Would you condemn someone knowing that only your death would reverse it?
Only if you are an insane fool.

Regards
DL

So, how many people have you talking into abandoning their faith?

If you say any number greater than zero, you're lying.

Where'd he go?

 

[Avatar4321]

How was your ticket purchased? With innocent blood.

Key fact ignored in your post.

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

And that's where you fail to understand. The Atonement was needed. We are all subject to the Fall. Without the Atonement there would always be two great obstacles that we could never overcome on our own that would prevent us from reaching our divine potential: Death and sin.

Because of the Sacrifice and Resurrection of Christ, we will all rise from the dead and we can all be forgiven of our since and recieve the grace of God in our lives.

Without the atonement of Christ, God would not be just and merciful without breaking His word or the world going to hell.

 

[bodecea]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

Polytheism

 

[daveman]

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

Polytheism

Bzzzzt! Wrong answer. Johnny, what do we have for Bode as a consolation prize?

"A year's supply of Fail-a-Roni, the liberal treat!"

 

[Marie888]

Your veiw of my God is interesting but you sure know who to twist the truth or at least my truth. God makes only one promise for his children and that he will love us and provide a way to salvation. He doesn't not saves us only provide the path. We are all saved if we chose. He have given each of us a ticket but it is at the ticket office, we have to go there and pick it up. Some do and some don't. Best of luck to you all.

If God loved us at all, then he would not have created a hell for eternal pointless torture for those who have no interest in his immoral programs.

Your ticket says that you do not mind profiting from the murder of an innocent victim. That is a Satanic policy and not a Godly one.

Regards
DL

Oh Lord, help you. ...Everyone want heaven, but nobody want dead!


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[catzmeow]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Is Jesus God?

The Trinity

I asked a yes/no question. Is Jesus God?

 

[catzmeow]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

-- John 15:13

Only a fool dies when there is no need to.

Regards
DL

There was a need: To redeem man.

There was no other possible alternative? I thought your god was omnipotent.

 

[Intense]

Is Jesus God?

I'll give you two things to consider. One Prayer, one Biblical Prayer.