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How dare Israel complain that palestinians are killing them. Don't they realize that palestinians have a human right to use suicide bombers?
You keep refusing to talk about the elephant in the room, which is she got ran over for being stupid.Yeah, except you keep refusing to talk about the elephant in the room, which is Israel's illegal and immoral actions in Gaza and their total disregard for human life.*shrug* I'm trying to be fair and going with what I know, realizing what I don't know, and logic to piece it together. Believe that or not as you will.
Opinions vary.
Addressed in the previous post.Well, the bulldozer can be proven that it was illegally in Gaza for the commission of a crime, yet no comments about that!No... I just care about what can be proven.
By itself? Nothing. It's a tool to be used by the UN and anyone else. They use that tool for convenience and political gain, not integrity and ideals.What's corrupt about IHL?The IHL and the UN don't do anything more than any other corrupt country including this one. It's propaganda.
Democratic doesn't mean a damn thing when the whole isn't the same as or greater than the sum of it's parts. It's the sock puppet of the five.I will give you that the UNSC is corrupt, due to the veto power of the big 5, but the general assembly is about as democratic as in gets.
Corrie betrayed America, then, by representing her own self-inflicted Martyrdom complex in place of agreements made over the bargaining table internationally.Obstruct the progress of a tank in Tiananmen Square for political reasons and the American right-wing applauds you.
Obstruct the progress of a bulldozer in Gaza for humanitarian reasons and the American right-wing calls you an idiot.
If this happened anywhere else in the world but Israel, American conservatives would be demanding blood.
She did wrong to kill herself. Suicide is a vice, not a virtue.
How dare Israel complain that palestinians are killing them. Don't they realize that palestinians have a human right to use suicide bombers?
That's not an elephant in the room! You're just calling her "stupid", you haven't proved she was stupid. More people would call her actions "couragous", than stupid.You keep refusing to talk about the elephant in the room, which is she got ran over for being stupid.
How is it entirely different? Her death, would not have happened, without the bulldozers actions, in violation of international law. You cannot separate the two!Listen.. You address what I say, I address what you say. One will not happen without the other. I addressed the OP and the subject matter. You are addressing something else entirely and then demanding that I address it as well in a fashion that I don't approve of. Why are you surprised about getting resistance to that?
How young were we when we learned not to play in traffic? Our parents didn't even have to tell us not to stand in front of a bulldozer. If the left wing anti-Semites and the angry libertarian pretenders want to deal with real issues why not call for the prosecution of the American politician who bears the ultimate responsibility for the shooting death of a US Border Patrol officer and perhaps the murder of hundreds of innocent Mexican civilians who were killed by the 3,000 Fast/Furious illegal weapons the Attorney General authorized shipped to Mexico?
How young were we when we learned not to play in traffic? Our parents didn't even have to tell us not to stand in front of a bulldozer. If the left wing anti-Semites and the angry libertarian pretenders want to deal with real issues why not call for the prosecution of the American politician who bears the ultimate responsibility for the shooting death of a US Border Patrol officer and perhaps the murder of hundreds of innocent Mexican civilians who were killed by the 3,000 Fast/Furious illegal weapons the Attorney General authorized shipped to Mexico?
Why do you feel the need to change the subject?
Ms. Corey was taking a stand. She miscalculated, but so did the Zionist driving that bulldozer.
Why won't anyone answer my question- is it really smart to live in a place where the people who were already there want to kill you?
Ok then.That's not an elephant in the room! You're just calling her "stupid", you haven't proved she was stupid. More people would call her actions "couragous", than stupid.You keep refusing to talk about the elephant in the room, which is she got ran over for being stupid.
How is it entirely different? Her death, would not have happened, without the bulldozers actions, in violation of international law. You cannot separate the two!Listen.. You address what I say, I address what you say. One will not happen without the other. I addressed the OP and the subject matter. You are addressing something else entirely and then demanding that I address it as well in a fashion that I don't approve of. Why are you surprised about getting resistance to that?
Why do you fuckers keep bringing up judaism?Not to Jew haters. Hell they would claim the Jews in Germany deserved to die if they could. I am surprised they haven't claimed the Jews killed the other 6 million victims of Germany in WW2.
This has nothing to do with how someone worships or by what name they call God.
How dare Israel complain that palestinians are killing them. Don't they realize that palestinians have a human right to use suicide bombers?
Wrongest? I don't think so. This has nothing to do with religion, other than the zionists using it to push a political agenda.Bro, this must be the wrongest post of the week.
They've been given the right to some of the land, but not all of it. And they can believe whatever they want. I'm not going to argue against someone's beliefs. But I'm going to have to disagree with you about "the jews". There are many decent, jewish people in Israel that are protesting their governments treatment of the Pals. And they catch shit for that!The murder of Rachel Corrie has freakin' EVERYTHING to do with Jews. Jews consider themselves to have a God-given right to the land of Israel. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that is what they believe. And if you believe that, the murder of a non-Jew is about as morally troublesome as killing a fly with a flyswatter.
They get away with it because there is far too many people making excuses for their behavior. And many are on this board. Treating them like shit is my Disneyland!Now, I'm not all that weepy about ol' Rachel. Yeah, she was looking to die that day. And she got it. And I'm not all that surprised by the actions of the Jews. They were looking to kill a gentile woman that day, and they did it. They get away with it because they have a lot of fucking power and money across the globe. They run the American media and government, so no worries there. They're smart, arrogant, powerful. They can pull the Nazi card: "Oh, we can do what we want, because remember Hitler. We're the victims." And this works very well.
They're not going to get it. If the world community allowed that, it would be like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland and that ain't gonna happen.Just some cold analysis of the situation.
Personally, I'm willing to let Jews have Israel. Shit, every people, no matter how disgusting, deserves a homeland. Jews. Blacks. Hispanics. Even whites, eh?
I guess we'll just have to agree, to disagree.Ok then.
Fuck you, assholes. Renounce your citizenship. You do not support this country!According to both Palestinian and American eyewitnesses, Rachel was standing in plain sight of the bulldozer's driver. She was wearing a bright fluorescent orange jacket and had engaged the driver in conversation to try to convince him not to destroy the house. Nevertheless, after an initial pause, the bulldozera custom-designed, U.S.-supplied Caterpillar D9surged forward despite cries from Rachel's colleagues, trapping her feet under the dirt so she could not get out of the way before running her over. The bulldozer then backed up, running Rachel over a second time, mortally wounding her. She died in a nearby hospital a short time later.
Agree to disagree on what?I guess we'll just have to agree, to disagree.Ok then.
What? You want me to prove my opinion to you? I don't know what the hell you are thinking... Maybe you are just used to being able to separate one post from another like the previous one never happened... Some people actually let others make their arguments for them. I'm just not one of those people. Maybe you just don't have a short term memory... I don't know. Let me repeat this so it's fresh:loinboy said:That's not an elephant in the room! You're just calling her "stupid", you haven't proved she was stupid. More people would call her actions "couragous", than stupid.
Why do you need to get involved with the Israeli justice system? Here's a relatively recent historic perspective of the US Justice system. A single federal judge dismissed every bomb related crime and felony murder charge against Bill Ayers because the FBI allegedly used illegal surveillance against him. Here's one that happened during a republican administration: A FBI sniper shot a woman in the face while she was holding a 18 month baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge Idaho because the Attorney General decided to re-write the Constitution. A couple of years later the same renegade appointed politicians and federal cops burned 80 men, women and children to death in a raid on a Waco, Tx. with tanks, poison gas and attack helicopters. The point is don't go whining about some PLO babe in Israel who was run over by a bulldozer when there is so much to consider here in the good old USA.
On this.Agree to disagree on what?
I disagree with your premise that she was being stupid, which, you now admit, was just your opinion.You keep refusing to talk about the elephant in the room, which is she got ran over for being stupid.
Now, I got no problem with your opinion, as long as you don't try to hit me over the head with it, by claiming I'm refusing to address that as the main cause of the incident. Which it wasn't.What? You want me to prove my opinion to you?
Then ask, I'll tell you.I don't know what the hell you are thinking...
I never do that and I haven't done that. If you don't understand the point I was making, then it's a little too soon to start drawing conclusions about what I am used to.Maybe you are just used to being able to separate one post from another like the previous one never happened...
I always do. I haven't tried to speak for you. Nor have I tried to conjure up a strawman for you. I made the statement that you cannot separate the bulldozer from the victim as if they were two separate events. Why the bulldozer was there; what it was doing; what the driver was doing; are all related factors to her death. Blaming her for her own death, without even considering the actions of the bulldozer's driver, is bullshit.Some people actually let others make their arguments for them.
I know you don't. At least when it comes to me.I'm just not one of those people. Maybe you just don't have a short term memory... I don't know.
That's right! One will not happen without the other. If Israel gave a shit about IHL and human rights, honored their obligations as an occupying power, they wouldn't be bulldozing down Palestinian homes in Gaza and the girl would be alive today.Let me repeat this so it's fresh:
Listen.. You address what I say, I address what you say. One will not happen without the other. I addressed the OP and the subject matter.
Why the bulldozer was there in the first place has everything to do with this case.You are addressing something else entirely and then demanding that I address it as well in a fashion that I don't approve of. Why are you surprised about getting resistance to that?