CDZ Is the president the chief executive of the federal gov or not?

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    So, was ford guilty of obstruction of justice when he pardoned Nixon?
     
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    What difference does it matter?

    I think I see what you are saying- but legally there are huge differences.

    A President seeking to prevent a criminal investigation is committing a crime- he is obstructing justice.
    A President pardoning a person- convicted or not- is using his legal Constitutional powers.

    If Trump wants to pardon Flynn right now for any crimes he might have committed in connection with Russia- Trump can legally do so- and the public- and Congress would decide whether or not that was an appropriate use of Presidential power- or an abuse of Presidential power.

    But if Trump tried to stop an investigation from happening- then he moves into Nixon type behavior. And we know how that turned out.
     
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    Nope- Ford was using his legal authority to pardon someone.

    IF Ford had instead told the FBI and the Justice Department not to investigate or charge Nixon- then he would have been guilty of obstruction of Justice.
     
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    And again- I have no clue why you want to talk about Martha Stewart.....a fan of her cooking?
     
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    Sure there is- every person there is sworn to uphold the Constitution- and if the President by passes the Department of Justice to issue an illegal order- an order to obstruct justice- then they have no obligation to follow that order.
     
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    You are too smart to not have a clue why I bring up Martha Stewart. It is to point out the seriousness of Clinton's offense. A common citizen served jail time. The president remained president. He did however have his law license revoked by the bar association, but he didn't need it anymore.
     
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    The perjury charge was a 55 to 45 vote

    The obstruction of Justice was a 50 to 50 vote..


    What does that tell you?


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    This is the CDZ not the flame zone
     
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    Are you a moderator?
     
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    And indeed the President did indeed remain President- and no one attempted to prosecute him for his lie.

    Impeachment ultimately is a political process- the House can impeach- and the Senate can convict a President on anything that they want to. Or not.

    The decision to impeach President Clinton was partisan and political. And was not supported by the public. The Senate proved to be wiser than the House.

    Clinton to this day remains one of the most popular Presidents in America- while Trump- well Trump has lower approval ratings than any President at this point in his presidency.
     

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