Is Taxation, Socialism?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Sallow, Jun 6, 2011.

?

Is Taxation, Socialism?

  1. Yes

    26.7%
  2. No

    73.3%
  1. Sallow
    Offline

    Sallow The Big Bad Wolf. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    56,535
    Thanks Received:
    6,132
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    New York City
    Ratings:
    +7,394
    Simple yes or no.
     
  2. Mr. H.
    Offline

    Mr. H. Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    44,127
    Thanks Received:
    9,267
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    A warm place with no memory.
    Ratings:
    +15,412
    Yo.
     
  3. sparky
    Offline

    sparky VIP Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,327
    Thanks Received:
    324
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    paradise
    Ratings:
    +341
    Depends on stance Sallow....

    If one subscribes to a collectivist society , taxation is an essential catalyst to civility

    If one sunscribes to a libertarian society, taxation is a mandatory obligation only the uncivil misfits would need take advantage of
     
  4. Sallow
    Offline

    Sallow The Big Bad Wolf. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    56,535
    Thanks Received:
    6,132
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    New York City
    Ratings:
    +7,394
    All governments are collectivist..with the possible exception of anarchy. And that's not really government. It's the absence of government.
     
  5. Sallow
    Offline

    Sallow The Big Bad Wolf. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    56,535
    Thanks Received:
    6,132
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    New York City
    Ratings:
    +7,394
    So, two here think it's not socialism?

    How would you explain that?

    Seriously.
     
  6. manifold
    Offline

    manifold Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    48,727
    Thanks Received:
    7,232
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Location:
    your dreams
    Ratings:
    +20,789
    I voted no, but only because your wording left me unable to vote yes.

    First, there is the dictionary definition of socialism that doesn't even require 'taxation' since everything is already owned by the government.

    But even if I ignore that, it's still not socialism until the taxes are used to promote the general welfare. For example, taxation occurs under feudalism too.
     
  7. Sallow
    Offline

    Sallow The Big Bad Wolf. Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    56,535
    Thanks Received:
    6,132
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    New York City
    Ratings:
    +7,394
    So taxes used to promote a military isn't socialism?
     
  8. manifold
    Offline

    manifold Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    48,727
    Thanks Received:
    7,232
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Location:
    your dreams
    Ratings:
    +20,789
    That qualifies as promoting the general welfare. Few things undermine the 'general welfare' quite like an invading army. :thup:
     
  9. Two Thumbs
    Offline

    Two Thumbs Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2010
    Messages:
    33,450
    Thanks Received:
    5,786
    Trophy Points:
    1,140
    Location:
    Where ever I go, there I am.
    Ratings:
    +11,589
    It's not fully socialism. It's more of a general form a tyranny.

    I'm taxed by the Fed to pay for things I find utterly useless and sometimes immoral. My only option to avoid this is to leave the country. Iv'e been around, I haven't seen a better place.

    However if I'm taxed at the state level, I actually can just pack up and leave the state. It may suck, but I can either work to get what I want or go somewhere where what I want is in place.



    Initially Fed taxation was illegal, once that changed, everything started to move into the hands of the government.
     
  10. Ravi
    Offline

    Ravi Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    81,406
    Thanks Received:
    12,697
    Trophy Points:
    2,205
    Location:
    Hating Hatters
    Ratings:
    +29,830
    No. Taxation is taxation.
     

Share This Page