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The only thing that requires a long, hot teaparty is your mouth, with Obama's balls and ass
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Is John McCain A War Hero? Trump Says No.
- Thread starter TeaBagger
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The only thing that requires a long, hot teaparty is your mouth, with Obama's balls and ass
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First, my question was in response to the comment that a Democrat started the Vietnam War.Which Dem do you credit with starting the war in Vietnam?I find amazement how the right totally vilifies war heroes and then expects the Military vote...
The problem you have is that you are so far right and so uncompromising that any misstep to the left is treated as an insult...
I know Hillary is not all we want her to be... But she is running from the middle...
By selecting Trump you allow Hillary to run left of center... Thanks lads.
It has traditionally always been conservatives - with values - serving our country.
Glad I'm out. Those were the good old days
In Obama's military of queers openly serving, low morale, and senior leadership abandoning the military like rats from a ship, it's anybody's guess whose serving these days
Reminds me of how fucked us things were under carter and Clinton while serving
We loathed them, and vice versa
A military of queers? Can you name another military that even holds a candle to the US military? Of course you can't. The US military is second to none you moron.
How about you name all the wars we lost under a Democratic president. It was ZERO! Clinton kicked ass in Bosnia. Obama is killing off one Muslim terrorist leader after another and BTW, how many radical Muslim leaders did your coked out drunkard butt buddy Bush kill? Put on your thinking cap and name them.
Go into a round room and stand in the corner. Better yet eat a gun.
Vietnam was started by a dem and ended by Nixon
Obama is a warmongering little chicken hawk
Like u, Dick less
Americans were sent to Vietnam in 1959. Who was the president in 1959? You are probably ignorant enough to believe that Dwight Eisenhower was a Democrat. Please think about smoking more.
Read a fucking history book and stop asking dumb questions MORON.
1862: Vietnam became part of the French Empire
1890: Ho Chi Minh was born
1930: Ho Chi Minh helped to form the Indo-Chinese Communist Party
1941: Vietminh formed to counter Japanese invasion of Vietnam
1945: Japan handed Vietnam to the Vietminh; Ho Chi Minh declared the
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (September); French troops arrived back in Vietnam
1946: war broke out between the French and the Vietminh
1949: Communist China came into being allowing the Vietminh to train in
China away from French attacks
1950: Truman refused to recognise the Democratic Republic of Vietnam
Communist China + USSR did recognise Ho’s state
1954: The Battle of Dien Bien Phu – Giap defeated the French force based there; a ceasefire was agreed at Geneva that split Vietnam at the 17th Parallel; France withdrew her military from Vietnam; US promises aid worth $100 million to the anti-communist Diem
1955: The pro-American Ngo Dinh Diem became President of South Vietnam in October.America agreed to train Diem’s army.
1956: Diem started to arrest anyone suspected of being in the Vietminh
1957: the Vietminh started a campaign of guerrilla warfare in South Vietnam
1959: American military advisors/troops were killed in Vietnam – the first US casualties; the Ho Chi Minh Trail was first used
1960: the National Liberation Front (NLF) was formed in Hanoi though in the South, they were known as the Vietcong (VC)
1961: US President Kennedy pledged extra aid to South Vietnam
1962: The number of US military advisors increased from 700 to 12,000
1963: President Diem was killed in a military coup
15,000 US military advisors were in South Vietnam
1964: the Gulf of Tonkin incident; Congress passed the ‘Gulf of Tonkin
Resolution’; America bombs targets in North Vietnam; NLF attacked US air bases
1965: ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ started; first US combat troops were sent to Vietnam in March; by the end of the year there were 200,000 US troops there; first major conventional clash between USA and NVA at Ia Drang
1966: 400,000 US troops were in Vietnam
1967: 490,000 US troops in Vietnam; Nguyen Van Thieu became President of South Vietnam
1968: Tet Offensive; demonstrations against the war started in America; My Lai massacre; peace talks began in Paris; 540,000 US troops in
Vietnam; anti-Vietnam War riots in Chicago (August)
1969: Nixon ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia; ‘Vietnamization’
started; Nixon announced the start of US troop withdrawals; Ho Chi
Minh died; 480,000 US troops in Vietnam; My Lai massacre made
public in November
1970: Four student demonstrators shot dead at Kent State University;
280,000 US troops in Vietnam; secret peace talks held in Paris; large scale anti-war demonstrations throughout USA
1971: 140,000 US troops in Vietnam; Lt. William Calley convicted of murder at My Lai and jailed
1972: Haiphong harbour mined (May); “Peace is at hand” – Dr Kissinger
1973: ceasefire signed in Paris; last US troops left Vietnam; US POW’s
released
1975: Khmer Rouge took control of Cambodia; NLF captured Saigon
1982: Vietnam Veterans Memorial unveiled in Washington DC
I love the way some here call people morons and then show how ill informed they are. I happen to agree the war technically began under Truman, but escalated into a hot war with Eisenhower.
Your timeline is missing a key event. It totally ignores the canceling of the brokered and agreed upon reunification referendum of 1956. Nor does it touch on Truman's involvement. Truman approved of and supported the recolonization of Indochina by the French. The support was in the form of weapons and material. That was the earliest involvement by America with hostilities in Vietnam.
Eisenhower continued the support and endorsement of the effort to help the French fight the Viet Minh. In fact, he inserted American CIA agents under cover of its company, Civil Air Transport which flew supplies to the French all over Indochina. Two of its agents, pilot James B. "Earthquake McGoon" McGovern and co-pilot Wallace Buford were killed in action when their C-119 Flying Boxcar was hit by ground fire while parachute dropping an artillery piece at Dein Bien Phu on 6 May 1954 and crashed in Northern Laos.
Two factors complicate the Truman connection. One is that the military supplies were funneled through France as part of the effort to rebuild the French military in Europe. Even though it was well known and documented that the French were transferring the supplies to Indochina, some think it gave some level of cover for Truman that the supplies were not going directly to the French in Indochina. The cover, however, fades away when the topic is looked into in depth.
The other factor was the murder of Lt. Col. Peter A. Dewey who was killed in a suspicious ambush on the way to the airport on 26 September 1945 with a report recommending that the US get out of Vietnam and disassociate from the French efforts. Contents of the report or at least Dewey's opinions were known and the ambush took place while he was on the way to the airport to fly back to the USA with the report. There are many who believe the ambush was conducted or supervised by the French. The written report was lost in the ambush.
Both Truman and Eisenhower share responsibility for Vietnam. Truman could have nipped it in the bud and Eisenhower could have canceled American involvement when he came into office.
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Rustic
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Barry and slick willy have never been in the military... How can they take credit for such things??I find amazement how the right totally vilifies war heroes and then expects the Military vote...
The problem you have is that you are so far right and so uncompromising that any misstep to the left is treated as an insult...
I know Hillary is not all we want her to be... But she is running from the middle...
By selecting Trump you allow Hillary to run left of center... Thanks lads.
It has traditionally always been conservatives - with values - serving our country.
Glad I'm out. Those were the good old days
In Obama's military of queers openly serving, low morale, and senior leadership abandoning the military like rats from a ship, it's anybody's guess whose serving these days
Reminds me of how fucked us things were under carter and Clinton while serving
We loathed them, and vice versa
A military of queers? Can you name another military that even holds a candle to the US military? Of course you can't. The US military is second to none you moron.
How about you name all the wars we lost under a Democratic president. It was ZERO! Clinton kicked ass in Bosnia. Obama is killing off one Muslim terrorist leader after another and BTW, how many radical Muslim leaders did your coked out drunkard butt buddy Bush kill? Put on your thinking cap and name them.
Go into a round room and stand in the corner. Better yet eat a gun.
Military folk have very little respect for pretenders like Barry and slick willy...
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Never3ndr
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As a vet who still keeps some ties with people I served with let me be clear. The vast majority of military personnel are Republicans and dislike Democratic leadership. Me, being a moderate liberal, represent a small minority voice of the military population.Barry and slick willy have never been in the military... How can he take credit for such things??I find amazement how the right totally vilifies war heroes and then expects the Military vote...
The problem you have is that you are so far right and so uncompromising that any misstep to the left is treated as an insult...
I know Hillary is not all we want her to be... But she is running from the middle...
By selecting Trump you allow Hillary to run left of center... Thanks lads.
It has traditionally always been conservatives - with values - serving our country.
Glad I'm out. Those were the good old days
In Obama's military of queers openly serving, low morale, and senior leadership abandoning the military like rats from a ship, it's anybody's guess whose serving these days
Reminds me of how fucked us things were under carter and Clinton while serving
We loathed them, and vice versa
A military of queers? Can you name another military that even holds a candle to the US military? Of course you can't. The US military is second to none you moron.
How about you name all the wars we lost under a Democratic president. It was ZERO! Clinton kicked ass in Bosnia. Obama is killing off one Muslim terrorist leader after another and BTW, how many radical Muslim leaders did your coked out drunkard butt buddy Bush kill? Put on your thinking cap and name them.
Go into a round room and stand in the corner. Better yet eat a gun.
Military folk have very little respect for pretenders like Barry and slick willy...
With that said absolutely NOBODY I know with military ties (myself included) is a fan of Hillary Clinton...pretty much the exact opposite in fact. We have no faith in her ability to lead us from a military standpoint.
Rustic
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I was in the guard for eight years, and sell firearms to The sheriffs department here. I sell a lot of firearms to military folk and police for their personal collections. I find the same - very, very few police and military are in the least supportive of Democrats. The Clintons are held in very low regard with the military and police.... The Clintons in general have disrespected the military greatly…As a vet who still keeps some ties with people I served with let me be clear. The vast majority of military personnel are Republicans and dislike Democratic leadership. Me, being a moderate liberal, represent a small minority voice of the military population.Barry and slick willy have never been in the military... How can he take credit for such things??I find amazement how the right totally vilifies war heroes and then expects the Military vote...
The problem you have is that you are so far right and so uncompromising that any misstep to the left is treated as an insult...
I know Hillary is not all we want her to be... But she is running from the middle...
By selecting Trump you allow Hillary to run left of center... Thanks lads.
It has traditionally always been conservatives - with values - serving our country.
Glad I'm out. Those were the good old days
In Obama's military of queers openly serving, low morale, and senior leadership abandoning the military like rats from a ship, it's anybody's guess whose serving these days
Reminds me of how fucked us things were under carter and Clinton while serving
We loathed them, and vice versa
A military of queers? Can you name another military that even holds a candle to the US military? Of course you can't. The US military is second to none you moron.
How about you name all the wars we lost under a Democratic president. It was ZERO! Clinton kicked ass in Bosnia. Obama is killing off one Muslim terrorist leader after another and BTW, how many radical Muslim leaders did your coked out drunkard butt buddy Bush kill? Put on your thinking cap and name them.
Go into a round room and stand in the corner. Better yet eat a gun.
Military folk have very little respect for pretenders like Barry and slick willy...
With that said absolutely NOBODY I know with military ties (myself included) is a fan of Hillary Clinton...pretty much the exact opposite in fact. We have no faith in her ability to lead us from a military standpoint.
When/where did you serve, asswipe? In Obama's failed War on Terror? From a keyboard?
Idiot.
Deflect.....Donnie is a poor excuse for a human being,.
I wouldn't call McCain a hero, but he did a lot more for the country than Bush, Obama, Trump, Clinton, and Sanders put together. I don't agree with him politically, but he certainly has my respect.WARNING: This post contains facts.
FACT: On October 26, 1967, McCain's A4 Skyhawk was hit by a North Vietnamese surface-to air-missile and was upside down and out of control by the time he was able to eject into a lake in the middle of Hanoi.
FACT: McCain's father was a big shot Navy admiral and McCain could have easily chicken hawked out like George W. Bush and joined some Air National Guard and gone AWOL but instead he flew dangerous missions off aircraft carriers which in an of itself takes brass balls.
FACT: McCain was in terrible pain from broken legs, but believed that since Hanoi was a Geneva signatory, he would be taken care of until he was taken to a hospital. It didn't happen. He received no medical attention, and the interrogation and the torture continued.
FACT: When Hanoi learned the identity of McCain's father they crowed, "We have the crown prince!" and he was asked, "Do you want to be released?" McCain refused that offer.
McCain admits that he was tempted. He was in dire need of serious medical attention, he had dysentery and was rapidly losing weight he could not afford to lose. His chances of surviving this seemingly endless war were diminishing. He said he'd have to think about it.
A few days later he says his interrogator said, "The senior officer wants to know your answer."
"My answer is no," McCain said.
When asked why, McCain said, "Our Code of Conduct says we must not accept parole, amnesty or special favors."
FACT: McCain knew that the likelihood of of dying in that torture chamber was high yet he stayed.
FACT: In Trump's own words: "He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Will you vote for a chicken hawk draft dodger who lied and slandered John McCain whi is clearly war hero? If you voted for Bush you already did. Bush told horrible lies about McCain.
McCain's medals for heroism and valor.
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No you don'tWhen John McCain was the Republican nominee in 2008 I remember the left saying the same kind of stuff about him that Trump has said.
Show me a single candidate for president who said anything derogatory about McCains war record
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Yes...he was a real "Warrior"The U.S. military appreciably improved the day that "Senior Chief" (yeah, right) Pollack was booted out.I find amazement how the right totally vilifies war heroes and then expects the Military vote...
The problem you have is that you are so far right and so uncompromising that any misstep to the left is treated as an insult...
I know Hillary is not all we want her to be... But she is running from the middle...
By selecting Trump you allow Hillary to run left of center... Thanks lads.
It has traditionally always been conservatives - with values - serving our country.
Glad I'm out. Those were the good old days
In Obama's military of queers openly serving, low morale, and senior leadership abandoning the military like rats from a ship, it's anybody's guess whose serving these days
Reminds me of how fucked us things were under carter and Clinton while serving
We loathed them, and vice versa
A military of queers? Can you name another military that even holds a candle to the US military? Of course you can't. The US military is second to none you moron.
How about you name all the wars we lost under a Democratic president. It was ZERO! Clinton kicked ass in Bosnia. Obama is killing off one Muslim terrorist leader after another and BTW, how many radical Muslim leaders did your coked out drunkard butt buddy Bush kill? Put on your thinking cap and name them.
Go into a round room and stand in the corner. Better yet eat a gun.
WARNING: This post contains facts.
FACT: On October 26, 1967, McCain's A4 Skyhawk was hit by a North Vietnamese surface-to air-missile and was upside down and out of control by the time he was able to eject into a lake in the middle of Hanoi.
FACT: McCain's father was a big shot Navy admiral and McCain could have easily chicken hawked out like George W. Bush and joined some Air National Guard and gone AWOL but instead he flew dangerous missions off aircraft carriers which in an of itself takes brass balls.
FACT: McCain was in terrible pain from broken legs, but believed that since Hanoi was a Geneva signatory, he would be taken care of until he was taken to a hospital. It didn't happen. He received no medical attention, and the interrogation and the torture continued.
FACT: When Hanoi learned the identity of McCain's father they crowed, "We have the crown prince!" and he was asked, "Do you want to be released?" McCain refused that offer.
McCain admits that he was tempted. He was in dire need of serious medical attention, he had dysentery and was rapidly losing weight he could not afford to lose. His chances of surviving this seemingly endless war were diminishing. He said he'd have to think about it.
A few days later he says his interrogator said, "The senior officer wants to know your answer."
"My answer is no," McCain said.
When asked why, McCain said, "Our Code of Conduct says we must not accept parole, amnesty or special favors."
FACT: McCain knew that the likelihood of of dying in that torture chamber was high yet he stayed.
FACT: In Trump's own words: "He's not a war hero," Trump said. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Will you vote for a chicken hawk draft dodger who lied and slandered John McCain whi is clearly war hero? If you voted for Bush you already did. Bush told horrible lies about McCain.
McCain's medals for heroism and valor.
Wow, now that's old news. Just wake up from a coma?
Wait until you see what's been happening with phones since you went out, mega cool ...
NYcarbineer
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Trump has flipped and is now saying McCain IS a hero.
So many of you need to flip with him.
So many of you need to flip with him.
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