CDZ Is common courtesy and decency dead?

[Slade3200]

yep, it's history. manners and respect seems to be something of the past.

but in Politics too. if you look at the Democrat party and how the elected politician from that party act. telling people to go get in peoples faces, how they don't bring a knife to a gun fight, etc. it's no wonder is it. ?

Pointing out the democratic party and saying "nah nah nah they're assholes" is no better than when the liberals do so about GOP. It's pathetic and divisive.

I don't know why people can't accept that there are smart, dedicate, patriotic people on both sides who genuinely believe they know the right plan for this country. There are also dumbshits on both sides. The point is we must work to identify the smartest on BOTH sides an incorporate some of both views into our policy making, while at the same time telling the idiots on both sides to just shut up.

Just because a policy is believed to be liberal or conservative shouldn't make it either good or bad.

I don't need a sermon daddy. good grief. nice knowing you

You obviously do need a little advice... You are part of the problem

 

[GaryDog]

Totally agreed! Can't we be decent with each other and stop starting unnecessary wars on false pretenses and instead educate our society with our tax dollars and feed our starving children? How about we give women reproductive choice, too?

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

 

[Asclepias]

Here, here. Who out there is willing and able to unite this nation? I can't think of even one that is willing, AND able. Not one. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. If you have nothing constructive to say, sit down, shut up, and listen!!!! You just may accually learn something.

A nice sentiment, all rainbows and ponies and stuff, but these are odd times with much of America mis-educated and growing up dreaming of the false Communist utopia that the nation spent the latter half of the 20th Century defeating.

Oil and water do not mix.

This is part of the problem... Liberals introduce ideas that are socialistic in nature and conservatives present them as absolute socialism or communism... Conservatives introduce ideas promoting individual freedoms and independence and the left calls them bigots and racists...
How about we discuss issues at face value and not misrepresent them with bloated exaggerated talk? Then we can all ride the ponies over the rainbow together.

The way I see it, conservatives are simply out for themselves while liberals dont mind taking some pain for the common good. So to answer the OP, i would say common courtesy and decency are dead among conservatives. Common courtesy tells you to think of others first. Conservatives hate that.

 

[Elvis Obama]

I think this is largely smoke and mirrors. People are not discourteous or rigidly ideological. They appear to be so online, because the troll/psycho/juvenile factor drags everything down to the lowest level. They appear to be so on the news, because that serves the interests of the media and the political parties. In reality? People are usually courteous to me, and I am not discourteous to them, no matter what their political beliefs may be.

 

[Katzndogz]

Courtesy and decency are as dead as Marley' ghost
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[Bruce_T_Laney]

I watch the news and read reports, and now read this message board and it's quite clear that people just don't care about each other any more. From either side.

Look at all the various issues and such and it's obvious neither the left nor the right , as a whole, care about people, they only care about their agenda.

homosexuality, who cares marry who you want, but don't then turn around and demand that someone take part in your ceremony. Who demands that someone serve them when that person doesn't want to serve them? An asshole, that's who. Yes, okay you're of the opinion that the person who refused to bake your cake is a bigot, big whoop they no more care about your opinion than you care about theirs, and guess what? The government has exactly the same right to demand their opinion conform to yours as it does to demand that your opinion conforms to theirs, Meaning none at all.

Transgender bathrooms. If you own a business, do whatever you want with the bathrooms, if as a customer you don't like their policy, here's an idea shop somewhere else. How hard is that?

Abortion. Can we seriously not grow up and come to an agreement here? If I see a 3 month pregnant woman walking down the street and I cause harm that kills that fetus, I'm guilty of murder, yet if that same woman walks into her drs office and gets an abortion, that's not murder. Let me clue yall in something. MURDER is the illegal killing of a human being, how can it be a human being in one instance, yet not another? Simple solution, takes 5 minutes. Agree on a point that as far as the law is concerned life begins, applicable to ALL laws. Then no matter which side you are on if you disagree with the law, sorry, but in this country we follow the rule of law.

immigration? Come on illegal immigration helps the rich on both sides, and no one else. Can't we really come together and put the politics aside and say "No more" while at the same time realizing that we simply aren't going to deport 12M people. It will not happen. It would be mean and cruel to split up families and force people to make choices, that however does NOT mean we can't stop more from coming over. But no, those on BOTH sides rather scream and rant and rave and parrot their overlords who actually benefit from illegal immigration.

And that's not even touching on border security or screening Muslims before allowing them into this country, both common sense issues that only a partisan dunce, or someone with bad intentions, would object to.

Why have we as Americans lost the ability to be courteous to people we disagree with?

Can you imagine if the founding fathers had refused to compromise? We would have lasted about 10 minutes as a nation.

white, black, brown, hispanic, straight, gay, male, female it doesn't matter, Stop letting our elected leaders pit us against each other. GOP or Dem, they don't care about us. They rely on the fact that so many people think they do to keep their stranglehold on us.

When founding fathers disagreed this is what happen:

Burr–Hamilton duel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was not peaceful back then but you point is noted and I agree civility and understanding is needed...

 

[Slade3200]

I think this is largely smoke and mirrors. People are not discourteous or rigidly ideological. They appear to be so online, because the troll/psycho/juvenile factor drags everything down to the lowest level. They appear to be so on the news, because that serves the interests of the media and the political parties. In reality? People are usually courteous to me, and I am not discourteous to them, no matter what their political beliefs may be.

Do you listen to the bs partisan rhetoric that comes out of these politicians mouths on the news when they talk about their opposition? The way they talk about their president, other candidates??? It's disrespectful, unproductive, and embarrassing

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Here, here. Who out there is willing and able to unite this nation? I can't think of even one that is willing, AND able. Not one. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. If you have nothing constructive to say, sit down, shut up, and listen!!!! You just may accually learn something.

A nice sentiment, all rainbows and ponies and stuff, but these are odd times with much of America mis-educated and growing up dreaming of the false Communist utopia that the nation spent the latter half of the 20th Century defeating.

Oil and water do not mix.

This is part of the problem... Liberals introduce ideas that are socialistic in nature and conservatives present them as absolute socialism or communism... Conservatives introduce ideas promoting individual freedoms and independence and the left calls them bigots and racists...
How about we discuss issues at face value and not misrepresent them with bloated exaggerated talk? Then we can all ride the ponies over the rainbow together.

The way I see it, conservatives are simply out for themselves while liberals dont mind taking some pain for the common good. So to answer the OP, i would say common courtesy and decency are dead among conservatives. Common courtesy tells you to think of others first. Conservatives hate that.

And of course this is another problem entirely, people like you who believe it's all one side. It's NEVER all one side.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Totally agreed! Can't we be decent with each other and stop starting unnecessary wars on false pretenses and instead educate our society with our tax dollars and feed our starving children? How about we give women reproductive choice, too?

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

 

[Asclepias]

Here, here. Who out there is willing and able to unite this nation? I can't think of even one that is willing, AND able. Not one. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. If you have nothing constructive to say, sit down, shut up, and listen!!!! You just may accually learn something.

A nice sentiment, all rainbows and ponies and stuff, but these are odd times with much of America mis-educated and growing up dreaming of the false Communist utopia that the nation spent the latter half of the 20th Century defeating.

Oil and water do not mix.

This is part of the problem... Liberals introduce ideas that are socialistic in nature and conservatives present them as absolute socialism or communism... Conservatives introduce ideas promoting individual freedoms and independence and the left calls them bigots and racists...
How about we discuss issues at face value and not misrepresent them with bloated exaggerated talk? Then we can all ride the ponies over the rainbow together.

The way I see it, conservatives are simply out for themselves while liberals dont mind taking some pain for the common good. So to answer the OP, i would say common courtesy and decency are dead among conservatives. Common courtesy tells you to think of others first. Conservatives hate that.

And of course this is another problem entirely, people like you who believe it's all one side. It's NEVER all one side.

I dont believe its all on one side. i'm generalizing.

 

[GaryDog]

Totally agreed! Can't we be decent with each other and stop starting unnecessary wars on false pretenses and instead educate our society with our tax dollars and feed our starving children? How about we give women reproductive choice, too?

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Totally agreed! Can't we be decent with each other and stop starting unnecessary wars on false pretenses and instead educate our society with our tax dollars and feed our starving children? How about we give women reproductive choice, too?

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

 

[GaryDog]

Totally agreed! Can't we be decent with each other and stop starting unnecessary wars on false pretenses and instead educate our society with our tax dollars and feed our starving children? How about we give women reproductive choice, too?

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

 

[oldsoul]

None of that has ANYTHING to do with this topic. I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

I think you are making the OP's point quite well. Civility MUST go BOTH ways.

 

[oldsoul]

Here, here. Who out there is willing and able to unite this nation? I can't think of even one that is willing, AND able. Not one. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. If you have nothing constructive to say, sit down, shut up, and listen!!!! You just may accually learn something.

A nice sentiment, all rainbows and ponies and stuff, but these are odd times with much of America mis-educated and growing up dreaming of the false Communist utopia that the nation spent the latter half of the 20th Century defeating.

Oil and water do not mix.

This is part of the problem... Liberals introduce ideas that are socialistic in nature and conservatives present them as absolute socialism or communism... Conservatives introduce ideas promoting individual freedoms and independence and the left calls them bigots and racists...
How about we discuss issues at face value and not misrepresent them with bloated exaggerated talk? Then we can all ride the ponies over the rainbow together.

The way I see it, conservatives are simply out for themselves while liberals dont mind taking some pain for the common good. So to answer the OP, i would say common courtesy and decency are dead among conservatives. Common courtesy tells you to think of others first. Conservatives hate that.

Your post really does prove the OP's premise quite well. Good job.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

I think you are making the OP's point quite well. Civility MUST go BOTH ways.

And really that's why the Dems don't like Trump. He's not one of their usual Republican rivals who they can insult an wag their finger at and cajole if he fights back, b/c he doesn't care, you come at him, he'll come twice as hard at you, now I don't like that; BUT maybe that is what it will take for the Dems to finally see the light and start practicing some civility in their discourse.

 

[GaryDog]

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

I think you are making the OP's point quite well. Civility MUST go BOTH ways.

And really that's why the Dems don't like Trump. He's not one of their usual Republican rivals who they can insult an wag their finger at and cajole if he fights back, b/c he doesn't care, you come at him, he'll come twice as hard at you, now I don't like that; BUT maybe that is what it will take for the Dems to finally see the light and start practicing some civility in their discourse.

So a Republican who calls women "fat, ugly pigs" and who makes off-color remarks about a journalist's menstruation is going to "teach" Democrats about civility?


Are you under the influence of anything specific?

 

[GaryDog]

Oh, I see. By "courtesy" you people mean "agree with Republicans."

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

I think you are making the OP's point quite well. Civility MUST go BOTH ways.

I don't think you are understanding the conversation whatsoever.

 

[Slade3200]

I'd say that at least 50% of the time, I don't agree with the Republicans, so no that isn't what I meant, an actually I made that pretty clear in the OP for anyone who cared to read it.

I read the OP. It was basically the Republican platform. Abortion is murder, get tough on immigration, and let the NC/MS discrimination laws stand.

That's not really debatable. You're sneaking a bunch of partisan attacks against Democrats into a trojan horse of "Can't We All Just Get Along (And Agree with Ted Cruz)".

So, the answer is no. Shut up.

In short, you read neither the rules of the sub forum, not the OP. Have a nice day

So you DON'T think the transgender bathroom laws in Mississippi and NC should be enforced (under your false pretense of civility)? You DON'T think women should have reproductive choice and you apparently DON'T support Trump's unsustainable and ridiculous idea of thousands of miles and billions of dollars of a wall?

Your problem is you're conflating viewpoints on issues with civility. "Be civil, and agree with my summaries of how the issues should be resolved."

Newsflash: They WON'T be resolved that way.

Here's how you SHOULD'VE written your OP:

"Hey, I think if a woman is three months' pregnant, she has a child inside her, and it should not be legal to end that child's life. You believe that the mother's freedom of reproductive choice is more important as a policy matter. Let's not call each other fascists and/or murderers, and respect each other as human beings while we debate these issues.

Hey, I think we should stop all illegal immigration with a wall. You think money is better spent elsewhere. Let's not assume the other person hates America and/or is an anti-Hispanic racist, and discuss the merits of both positions...."


And so on and so forth....

Instead, you just went on a republican screed. Which has NOTHING to do with your stated desire for civility.

Get it yet?

I think you are making the OP's point quite well. Civility MUST go BOTH ways.

And really that's why the Dems don't like Trump. He's not one of their usual Republican rivals who they can insult an wag their finger at and cajole if he fights back, b/c he doesn't care, you come at him, he'll come twice as hard at you, now I don't like that; BUT maybe that is what it will take for the Dems to finally see the light and start practicing some civility in their discourse.

I don't think Trump is any better than all the other politicians, he is just as dishonest and divisive. The difference is he is funny, and personable, and really really entertaining. He went the non-PC route and is able to even make his lies seem authentic. I'll admit im a Trump fan but the thought of him becoming president scares the poop out of me

 

[Mac1958]

As much as hyperpartisans want to make civility a political issue ("it's all their fault, those guys, over there"), it's a cultural issue.

What the hyperpartisans don't - or won't - see is that they themselves (ironically) are the single biggest driving force behind the decay.

When virtually everything becomes politicized, these people are more and more often in the spotlight. And civility dies a bit more, as well.
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