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Your a socialist pig. None of those things that you mention equates to success, and they were all payed for by the successful.Ben Carson, regardless of race, is just another conservative, who after utilizing social infrastructure to achieve success, such as public education, public transportation, public health and welfare, educational grants and loans, or affirmative action, would destroy the very programs that aided his success.
He is no role model.
Professionally, he makes an excellent role model
Politically he has demonstrated how a black man can make a buck by pandering to rightwing extremists.
Look everyone....we got a black man too....and he hates Obama
I have yet to see any solutions coming out of Carson
he's an Uncle Tom wackadoddle according to the libs on this board
He had the NEVE to criticize OBAMBAM
you have to be a disgusting race baiter and hater like Al Shapton, the rev. Jess Jackson, Obama and his Rev. Wright for them to give any black person, respect and considered a role model
he's an Uncle Tom wackadoddle according to the libs on this board
He had the NEVE to criticize OBAMBAM
you have to be a disgusting race baiter and hater like Al Shapton, the rev. Jess Jackson, Obama and his Rev. Wright for them to give any black person, respect and considered a role model
It is a pity that such a dichotomy exist. Some of the smarter liberals know that they cannot ignore Dr. Carson's success, but others ( hacks ) will continue to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with their sick ass statist believes. When you cannot give credit where credit is due, because of your ideology; you are incorrigible - unable to usefully contribute to a forum.he's an Uncle Tom wackadoddle according to the libs on this board
He had the NEVE to criticize OBAMBAM
you have to be a disgusting race baiter and hater like Al Shapton, the rev. Jess Jackson, Obama and his Rev. Wright for them to give any black person, respect and considered a role model
he's an Uncle Tom wackadoddle according to the libs on this board
He had the NEVE to criticize OBAMBAM
you have to be a disgusting race baiter and hater like Al Shapton, the rev. Jess Jackson, Obama and his Rev. Wright for them to give any black person, respect and considered a role model
You're so angry, you are barely speaking English.
I'm sorry, your question is unclear to me. If you are stating that those " victims " that support that mentality of those mentioned are incapable of appreciating success by those who oppose their socialist views. I guess that bigotry supercedes the obvious; that liberalism is a diesease.How could a people's with the likes of Jackson, Waters. Sharpton and Rangel could be impressed with the likes of Carson?
They are either misguided, or evil.
We know that the great majority of blacks are liberal. I wanted to explore specifically: how they would here, handle another black man's great achievments being opposed to his political ideology. If they would outright ignore it, or if they would acknowledge it, and identify it with what I should have asked - national role model status. Why a race relation forum?Why? Why not? I should ask: why isn't he accepted, and promoted by black leaders ? The man came from humble beginings, and through perserverence, and application has gained national recognition - no doubt benefitting many of lives along the way! I think he is a great role model for all, and represents the best of America.
If that's how you view him, why can't he just be looked at as a "role model", and leave his race out of it?
As we can see, success is hard to deny - especially the kind that is incrementally achieved through diligence over an entire career. That type should be applauded, and promoted irrespective of affiliation.
... he is a success in his field, and should be promoted to our youth, particularly are black youth as someone they all should look up to as a role model - that Dr. Carson is not a victim, and neither are they! That you do the best you can with what you've got, and that you can meet your dreams with effort.We know that the great majority of blacks are liberal. I wanted to explore specifically: how they would here, handle another black man's great achievments being opposed to his political ideology. If they would outright ignore it, or if they would acknowledge it, and identify it with what I should have asked - national role model status. Why a race relation forum?If that's how you view him, why can't he just be looked at as a "role model", and leave his race out of it?
As we can see, success is hard to deny - especially the kind that is incrementally achieved through diligence over an entire career. That type should be applauded, and promoted irrespective of affiliation.
I agree. His professional credentials are impeccable and his contribution to the field of medicine is undeniable. Regardless of his race he is a success in his field.
he's an Uncle Tom wackadoddle according to the libs on this board
He had the NEVE to criticize OBAMBAM
you have to be a disgusting race baiter and hater like Al Shapton, the rev. Jess Jackson, Obama and his Rev. Wright for them to give any black person, respect and considered a role model
You're so angry, you are barely speaking English.
really? are in my living room or what, I'm so angry....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
you don't like hearing the truth not my problem, but it's just FINE for you all to accuse people they are racist, so you're right, that makes me damn angry and so does the people I named in my post
now warm up the boom since I seem to be who you troll
You're so angry, you are barely speaking English.
really? are in my living room or what, I'm so angry....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
you don't like hearing the truth not my problem, but it's just FINE for you all to accuse people they are racist, so you're right, that makes me damn angry and so does the people I named in my post
now warm up the boom since I seem to be who you troll
The boom?
It is often amusing reading the countless threads in this forum by those who endlessly speculate about and assume who the so called "black leaders and role models" are or should be.
The most significant and important people in any community are the millions of citizens who have realized that you are your own greatest leader or role model if you choose to be.
School teachers who realize that their work is more than a job and parents who raise their children to be good citizens and extraordinary mothers and fathers, are really the best role models out there, because they are the ones who show up everyday.
The truth is that it makes no sense for anyone to put all of their faith in a few public figures especially when they are "appointed" for you or assumed to be viable for you by someone who has no personal impact on your life or does not reside within your immediate circle of influence.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not "lead" anyone, and they are not thriving based on what is contributed to them by black citizens, however, they do get neverending exposure through the media and from a significant level of public paranoia because they have been successful at conditioning many like some who post in this forum to believe that every black citizen in America worships them and has them on speedial, or believe that they are just sitting around waiting for an opportunity to be dispatched into any city in America to march, boycott, or to just generally wreck havoc on the lives of white citizens by rallying or inciting "The Blacks".
Because of "race pimp" fear, Sharpton and Jackson have been transformed into the ubiquitous "Black Bogeymen" who want to steal or extort money from every innocent white citizen in America, for the least little personal affront to any black person in the country.
If the same media that publicizes their every movement and keeps the old memories of Tawana Brawley and "Hymietown" alive just ignored them, the mass hysteria and belief in the myth that they are heroes or role models to the black collective would disappear.
In the majority of the occasions that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton are brought up in this forum, it is not because of any recent news or event that even involves them, it is usually someone making an ignorant comment that just illustrates how misinformed they are and how easily they are manipulated.
First, I should have said national role model - the man obviously is, and any argument to the contrary is untenable.
Your secound sentence/paragraph is unintelligible.
Your third asertion is correct, but it should be obvious that I am refering to a national figure - thus we are speaking about national role models.
To your 4th point/paragraph: the idea of a role model is to emulate them with the hope of also gaining like success which is not by appointment, but by due diligence
Continuing: Jackson, Sharpton, etc. wreak more havic on black America than white. They still influence huge masses of blacks in a negative way; affront with the victim message - see Zimmerman. They extort the blacks by stealing their ability to dream!
It is the liberal media who covers the race bating to keep the steady diet of bane flowing - the media that the majority of blacks support - it is their ignorance, and stupidity.
really? are in my living room or what, I'm so angry....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
you don't like hearing the truth not my problem, but it's just FINE for you all to accuse people they are racist, so you're right, that makes me damn angry and so does the people I named in my post
now warm up the boom since I seem to be who you troll
The boom?
Isn't that what a witch fly's on?
now please go troll someone else...
... he is a success in his field, and should be promoted to our youth, particularly are black youth as someone they all should look up to as a role model - that Dr. Carson is not a victim, and neither are they! That you do the best you can with what you've got, and that you can meet your dreams with effort.We know that the great majority of blacks are liberal. I wanted to explore specifically: how they would here, handle another black man's great achievments being opposed to his political ideology. If they would outright ignore it, or if they would acknowledge it, and identify it with what I should have asked - national role model status. Why a race relation forum?
As we can see, success is hard to deny - especially the kind that is incrementally achieved through diligence over an entire career. That type should be applauded, and promoted irrespective of affiliation.
I agree. His professional credentials are impeccable and his contribution to the field of medicine is undeniable. Regardless of his race he is a success in his field.
Unfortunately, he will be stigmatized as an enemy to the " black " cause, which will overshadow his success
Carson is certainly a role model for the duped.
pat yourself on the back...I tried being civil to you this time around, but now I'm doneThe boom?
Isn't that what a witch fly's on?
now please go troll someone else...
BROOM!
Okay, gotcha. Later!
Self = role modelIt is often amusing reading the countless threads in this forum by those who endlessly speculate about and assume who the so called "black leaders and role models" are or should be.
The most significant and important people in any community are the millions of citizens who have realized that you are your own greatest leader or role model if you choose to be.
School teachers who realize that their work is more than a job and parents who raise their children to be good citizens and extraordinary mothers and fathers, are really the best role models out there, because they are the ones who show up everyday.
The truth is that it makes no sense for anyone to put all of their faith in a few public figures especially when they are "appointed" for you or assumed to be viable for you by someone who has no personal impact on your life or does not reside within your immediate circle of influence.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not "lead" anyone, and they are not thriving based on what is contributed to them by black citizens, however, they do get neverending exposure through the media and from a significant level of public paranoia because they have been successful at conditioning many like some who post in this forum to believe that every black citizen in America worships them and has them on speedial, or believe that they are just sitting around waiting for an opportunity to be dispatched into any city in America to march, boycott, or to just generally wreck havoc on the lives of white citizens by rallying or inciting "The Blacks".
Because of "race pimp" fear, Sharpton and Jackson have been transformed into the ubiquitous "Black Bogeymen" who want to steal or extort money from every innocent white citizen in America, for the least little personal affront to any black person in the country.
If the same media that publicizes their every movement and keeps the old memories of Tawana Brawley and "Hymietown" alive just ignored them, the mass hysteria and belief in the myth that they are heroes or role models to the black collective would disappear.
In the majority of the occasions that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton are brought up in this forum, it is not because of any recent news or event that even involves them, it is usually someone making an ignorant comment that just illustrates how misinformed they are and how easily they are manipulated.
First, I should have said national role model - the man obviously is, and any argument to the contrary is untenable.
Your secound sentence/paragraph is unintelligible.
Your third asertion is correct, but it should be obvious that I am refering to a national figure - thus we are speaking about national role models.
To your 4th point/paragraph: the idea of a role model is to emulate them with the hope of also gaining like success which is not by appointment, but by due diligence
Continuing: Jackson, Sharpton, etc. wreak more havic on black America than white. They still influence huge masses of blacks in a negative way; affront with the victim message - see Zimmerman. They extort the blacks by stealing their ability to dream!
It is the liberal media who covers the race bating to keep the steady diet of bane flowing - the media that the majority of blacks support - it is their ignorance, and stupidity.
1. Actually the majority of what i posted was not directed at you. To your point, Carson is absolutely a model or success in his chosen field.
2. What is so "unintelligible" about "true role models" being parents and teachers who show up and are seen everyday?
3. I was not actually directing my comment towards you in my third statement.
4. Again, my 4th point was not directed at you. There was an ignorant individual who stated in your thread something to the effect: "why do blacks need Carson when they have Sharpton and Jackson?", which IMO was a stupid but typical statement for that person.
As far as Jackson and Sharpton wreaking havoc on the black population, I can only state what I know. Sharpton these days spends the majority of his time on his televised talk show, and in addition spends 3 hours daily on SiriusXM.
If you have satellite radio, I would advise you to listen occasionally to his radio show. More often than not, he tries to educate as opposed to inciting.
As far as Zimmerman goes, I am not sure that his case is a credible barometer in measuring the impact that Jackson or Sharpton has on the opinions of the average black American.
I know just as many non black people as black whö were not happy with the verdict.
Frankly, in my own circle of black professional friends, which probably far exceeds that of many here, I cannot recall the last time that either of those two were a topic of relevance in a discussion.
Maybe uninteligible is a poor choice in words, but I don't understand it. Your parent/teacher comment was next. They are more important than a intangible figure in the national arena no doubt - as there is an intimate connection.
