Is A Hijab A Symbol Of Misogyny?

[Dogmaphobe]

The apologists echo the fundamentalists when they call the hijab a "symbol of modesty", when in fact it's a symbol of the oppression and submission of Muslim women.

We all know what status women hold in the fundamentalist form of the religion, and these people continue to align themselves with the fundamentalists.

These people are not liberals.
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I don't know what side you are on. I was forced into the Catholic Christian faith as a newborn. To this day, I will wear nothing on my head except in extreme temperatures since headgear was forced on women alone in Catholic culture.
However, if men and women wish to wear headgear pertinent to their faith, this is okay by me, as long as it is voluntary.

I do question why men of the various faiths do not cover both their faces and heads. In cultures where women must cover their faces, why do men not cover their faces as well? If women must wear burqas, how about men wearing burqas of a different color? How come this Saudi prince has been seen with his face uncovered?

If a woman wears a headscarf or other clothing voluntarily and purely because they want to, great. They certainly can be pretty. Dignified.

If she is being forced to, directly or indirectly, that's an entirely different issue. And it can't be ignored that this is a clear symbol of the brutal subjugation of women by the more fundamentalist elements of that religion. So those who try to make this some kind of a fashion issue are being intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

I'm under no obligation to ignore the obvious because of some ideological requirement.

About us - The AHA Foundation
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Founder of the AHA Foundation - The AHA Foundation
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Yep. Profoundly illiberal people here support gender slavery based upon the exceptions, not the rule.

They know full well that millions upon untold millions of women in Islam are being brutalized, but they simply do not care. All they DO care about is that they feel virtuous for supporting the oppression of women based upon the positive feedback they receive from others for supporting the oppression and they negative they would receive were they to they stand up for women, instead.

I often wonder about the motivations on this, and I think it may be something as simple as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The amount of fantastically illiberal behavior that has to be completely overlooked to play this game is just astonishing. At most, they'll give it some momentary, perfunctory tisk, tisk, and then be back to doing what comes naturally to them.

As I always say, these are not liberals.
.

To me, they act like junkies with the feverish need to feed their habit. They fancy themselves as virtuous warriors for social justice and it doesn't make any difference to them that they are fighting so strenuously AGAINST social justice here because all that matters is the props they receive from all their little peeps for holding the politically correct opinion. They are incapable of actually examining that position in any meaningful way because their drug of habit is feeding the endorphins in their brain. They feel GOOD for supporting the degradation of women because they tell each other that this is so.

It's really little more than a Pavlovian positive feedback loop reinforcing itself through repetition. These are mindless people incapable of original thought. While most are really quite stupid overall, even the ones who aren't are so overcome by their addiction that they cannot bring themselves to the point of thinking rather than merely reacting in the ways that guarantee them the positive reaction they crave.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why must Muslim women constantly wear head coverings? I read it is because the woman is obeying and submitting to Allah. Remember, Islam is ruled by males.

Answer is yes it is.

 

[Mac1958]

The apologists echo the fundamentalists when they call the hijab a "symbol of modesty", when in fact it's a symbol of the oppression and submission of Muslim women.

We all know what status women hold in the fundamentalist form of the religion, and these people continue to align themselves with the fundamentalists.

These people are not liberals.
.

I don't know what side you are on. I was forced into the Catholic Christian faith as a newborn. To this day, I will wear nothing on my head except in extreme temperatures since headgear was forced on women alone in Catholic culture.
However, if men and women wish to wear headgear pertinent to their faith, this is okay by me, as long as it is voluntary.

I do question why men of the various faiths do not cover both their faces and heads. In cultures where women must cover their faces, why do men not cover their faces as well? If women must wear burqas, how about men wearing burqas of a different color? How come this Saudi prince has been seen with his face uncovered?

If a woman wears a headscarf or other clothing voluntarily and purely because they want to, great. They certainly can be pretty. Dignified.

If she is being forced to, directly or indirectly, that's an entirely different issue. And it can't be ignored that this is a clear symbol of the brutal subjugation of women by the more fundamentalist elements of that religion. So those who try to make this some kind of a fashion issue are being intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

I'm under no obligation to ignore the obvious because of some ideological requirement.

About us - The AHA Foundation
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Founder of the AHA Foundation - The AHA Foundation
.

Yep. Profoundly illiberal people here support gender slavery based upon the exceptions, not the rule.

They know full well that millions upon untold millions of women in Islam are being brutalized, but they simply do not care. All they DO care about is that they feel virtuous for supporting the oppression of women based upon the positive feedback they receive from others for supporting the oppression and they negative they would receive were they to they stand up for women, instead.

I often wonder about the motivations on this, and I think it may be something as simple as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The amount of fantastically illiberal behavior that has to be completely overlooked to play this game is just astonishing. At most, they'll give it some momentary, perfunctory tisk, tisk, and then be back to doing what comes naturally to them.

As I always say, these are not liberals.
.

To me, they act like junkies with the feverish need to feed their habit. They fancy themselves as virtuous warriors for social justice and it doesn't make any difference to them that they are fighting so strenuously AGAINST social justice here because all that matters is the props they receive from all their little peeps for holding the politically correct opinion. They are incapable of actually examining that position in any meaningful way because their drug of habit is feeding the endorphins in their brain. They feel GOOD for supporting the degradation of women because they tell each other that this is so.

It's really little more than a Pavlovian positive feedback loop reinforcing itself through repetition. These are mindless people incapable of original thought. While most are really quite stupid overall, even the ones who aren't are so overcome by their addiction that they cannot bring themselves to the point of thinking rather than merely reacting in the ways that guarantee them the positive reaction they crave.

I think they realize what they're doing, at least at some level. That would be why, in addition to their tactics, they get so angry.

They have to know how breathtakingly hypocritical they're being, so they lash out like a guy caught cheating on his wife.
.

 

[Disir]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

What do you want done, specifically? The 1st Amendment includes these folks.

 

[SweetSue92]

The apologists echo the fundamentalists when they call the hijab a "symbol of modesty", when in fact it's a symbol of the oppression and submission of Muslim women.

We all know what status women hold in the fundamentalist form of the religion, and these people continue to align themselves with the fundamentalists.

These people are not liberals.
.

I don't know what side you are on. I was forced into the Catholic Christian faith as a newborn. To this day, I will wear nothing on my head except in extreme temperatures since headgear was forced on women alone in Catholic culture.
However, if men and women wish to wear headgear pertinent to their faith, this is okay by me, as long as it is voluntary.

I do question why men of the various faiths do not cover both their faces and heads. In cultures where women must cover their faces, why do men not cover their faces as well? If women must wear burqas, how about men wearing burqas of a different color? How come this Saudi prince has been seen with his face uncovered?

If a woman wears a headscarf or other clothing voluntarily and purely because they want to, great. They certainly can be pretty. Dignified.

If she is being forced to, directly or indirectly, that's an entirely different issue. And it can't be ignored that this is a clear symbol of the brutal subjugation of women by the more fundamentalist elements of that religion. So those who try to make this some kind of a fashion issue are being intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

I'm under no obligation to ignore the obvious because of some ideological requirement.

About us - The AHA Foundation
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Founder of the AHA Foundation - The AHA Foundation
.

Yep. Profoundly illiberal people here support gender slavery based upon the exceptions, not the rule.

They know full well that millions upon untold millions of women in Islam are being brutalized, but they simply do not care. All they DO care about is that they feel virtuous for supporting the oppression of women based upon the positive feedback they receive from others for supporting the oppression and they negative they would receive were they to they stand up for women, instead.

They're also blinded by the "diversity" of it all. Most Muslims are brown-skinned so they're in a real bind as to whether they dare criticize their brutality

 

[SweetSue92]

The apologists echo the fundamentalists when they call the hijab a "symbol of modesty", when in fact it's a symbol of the oppression and submission of Muslim women.

We all know what status women hold in the fundamentalist form of the religion, and these people continue to align themselves with the fundamentalists.

These people are not liberals.
.

I don't know what side you are on. I was forced into the Catholic Christian faith as a newborn. To this day, I will wear nothing on my head except in extreme temperatures since headgear was forced on women alone in Catholic culture.
However, if men and women wish to wear headgear pertinent to their faith, this is okay by me, as long as it is voluntary.

I do question why men of the various faiths do not cover both their faces and heads. In cultures where women must cover their faces, why do men not cover their faces as well? If women must wear burqas, how about men wearing burqas of a different color? How come this Saudi prince has been seen with his face uncovered?

If a woman wears a headscarf or other clothing voluntarily and purely because they want to, great. They certainly can be pretty. Dignified.

If she is being forced to, directly or indirectly, that's an entirely different issue. And it can't be ignored that this is a clear symbol of the brutal subjugation of women by the more fundamentalist elements of that religion. So those who try to make this some kind of a fashion issue are being intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

I'm under no obligation to ignore the obvious because of some ideological requirement.

About us - The AHA Foundation
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Founder of the AHA Foundation - The AHA Foundation
.

Yep. Profoundly illiberal people here support gender slavery based upon the exceptions, not the rule.

They know full well that millions upon untold millions of women in Islam are being brutalized, but they simply do not care. All they DO care about is that they feel virtuous for supporting the oppression of women based upon the positive feedback they receive from others for supporting the oppression and they negative they would receive were they to they stand up for women, instead.

I often wonder about the motivations on this, and I think it may be something as simple as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The amount of fantastically illiberal behavior that has to be completely overlooked to play this game is just astonishing. At most, they'll give it some momentary, perfunctory tisk, tisk, and then be back to doing what comes naturally to them.

As I always say, these are not liberals.
.

To me, they act like junkies with the feverish need to feed their habit. They fancy themselves as virtuous warriors for social justice and it doesn't make any difference to them that they are fighting so strenuously AGAINST social justice here because all that matters is the props they receive from all their little peeps for holding the politically correct opinion. They are incapable of actually examining that position in any meaningful way because their drug of habit is feeding the endorphins in their brain. They feel GOOD for supporting the degradation of women because they tell each other that this is so.

It's really little more than a Pavlovian positive feedback loop reinforcing itself through repetition. These are mindless people incapable of original thought. While most are really quite stupid overall, even the ones who aren't are so overcome by their addiction that they cannot bring themselves to the point of thinking rather than merely reacting in the ways that guarantee them the positive reaction they crave.

At root they are religious zealots.

It's fundamentalism run amok, and they are all but drunk on their own self-righteousness. And yes, the irony of that is hilarious. Sad, pathetic to watch....but hilarious.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

What do you want done, specifically? The 1st Amendment includes these folks.

I want people to stand up for western values.

I already said that.

If we dont, and we continue to import massive numbers of people dedicated to undermining those values, we will no longer have them.

At the very least, we need to control who comes here. If they wish to escape Islam, they should be welcomed If they wish to perpetuate it, they should not.

That little note on the plaque on the statue of liberty says yearning to be FREE, not yearning to eliminate the very notion of freedom.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Headgear itself isn't misogynistic.

Right,because inanimate objects dont think. But the reasons for implementing it are, indeed, misogynistic.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

What do you want done, specifically? The 1st Amendment includes these folks.

I want people to stand up for western values.

I already said that.

If we dont, and we continue to import massive numbers of people dedicated to undermining those values, we will no longer have them.

At the very least, we need to control who comes here. If they wish to escape Islam, they should be welcomed If they wish to perpetuate it, they should not.

That little note on the plaque on the statue of liberty says yearning to be FREE, not yearning to eliminate the very notion of freedom.

No. We need to empower and assimilate more moderate muslims.

 

[Disir]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

What do you want done, specifically? The 1st Amendment includes these folks.

I want people to stand up for western values.

I already said that.

If we dont, and we continue to import massive numbers of people dedicated to undermining those values, we will no longer have them.

At the very least, we need to control who comes here. If they wish to escape Islam, they should be welcomed If they wish to perpetuate it, they should not.

That little note on the plaque on the statue of liberty says yearning to be FREE, not yearning to eliminate the very notion of freedom.

Standing up for Western Values is vague. Now, controlling who comes here is doable. I absolutely support that.

 

[MindWars]

 

[MindWars]

I'm not sure what people want done about it. Most of this crap is going down in countries that no one has any control over unless there is a nonstop regime change. Unfortunately, regime change usually involves putting a dictator in there that supports this nonsense.............after name your ngo professing to be all about women's rights is initiating an overthrow of the existing government in that specific nation-state.

Nobody can do anything about backwards cultures in other countries.

All we can do is oppose the morons who are supporting and abetting the spread of this backwardness into liberal Western Civilization by standing up for our own liberal values instead of that of the knuckle dragging troglodytes.

What do you want done, specifically? The 1st Amendment includes these folks.

I want people to stand up for western values.

I already said that.

If we dont, and we continue to import massive numbers of people dedicated to undermining those values, we will no longer have them.

At the very least, we need to control who comes here. If they wish to escape Islam, they should be welcomed If they wish to perpetuate it, they should not.

That little note on the plaque on the statue of liberty says yearning to be FREE, not yearning to eliminate the very notion of freedom.

No. We need to empower and assimilate more moderate muslims.

STFUP they need to do it themselves in their own fkd up country . MAKE THESE SWAMP RATS MAKE THEIR OWN COUNTRY BETTER AND STOP FEEDING OFF US LIKE GAWD DAM LEECHES!!!! fk these illegal fkrs.
And if you don't like that open your own home door and pay for them yourself.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

STFUP they need to do it themselves in their own fkd up country .

Yes,just like our founding fathers.



No, they need to be taken out of that environment and modernized and assimilated. Then watch as their children abandon the bronze age nonsense in favor of modern, secular ideas.

 

[Disir]

No, they need to be taken out of that environment and modernized and assimilated. Then watch as their children abandon the bronze age nonsense in favor of modern, secular ideas.

That's happened all over the world. Not necessary to duplicate the process here. Doesn't appear to be working out as planned.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Doesn't appear to be working out as planned.

Actually, it appears to be working fine. 3.5 million muslims in the US.

 

[Disir]

Doesn't appear to be working out as planned.

Actually, it appears to be working fine. 3.5 million muslims in the US.

Then wtf are you going on about?

Let me reiterate this point for you. Limit who comes into the country.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then wtf are you going on about?

Uh...letting in muslims in the future, in reaponse to people (like you) implying otherwise? These arent complicated points, try to follow.

 

[Disir]

Then wtf are you going on about?

Uh...letting in muslims in the future, in reaponse to people (like you) implying otherwise? These arent complicated points, try to follow.

No, we don't need them in the future. There is a huge difference between many that came before and what you have currently. It ain't that hard. All you need to do is pay attention to the conflicts in the countries of origin.

You have nothing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, we don't need them in the future.

Wrong. We absolutely need to empower and assimilate moderate muslims. The people who will reform Islam will not be the terrified, ignorant people cowering in fear in muslim countries. they will be the modern muslims exposed to western societies, which have been formed and reformed away from magical hooha by better, secular ideas.