Individual mandate in trouble?

[sealybobo]

The righties on the Supreme Court already proved to be right wing hacks when they passed Citizens United. This will just be another blow to their reputations so they will pass Obamacare. Plus they don't wan't to lose the only issue they have in an election year.

Fact is, Obamacare is great and is getting better and better every year as the mandates for the insurance companies kick in. Some have yet to kick in. Soon healthcare will be affordable. You won't mind buying it just like you don't mind buying car insurance. And a form of single payer is coming. If the GOP undo Obamacare, what is their solution? They don't have one.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...lause-precedents-you-dolts-2.html#post5030134

decepticon ran away over here with the interstate stuff, don't let him hide

 

[Katzndogz]

Willard v. Filburn regulated an activity. obamacare purports to regulate an inactivity. That's the difference. Had Filburn decided not to grow wheat at all there would be no case. The Justices have WAAYYY more of an understanding of Con Law than the retard here.

 

[sealybobo]

I hope the right wingers in the supreme court do play politics with this so the voters understand how important it is to have a Democrat in the White House. Justices are retriing and we already have to deal with Roberts for at least 30 years unless he gets ill god willing. They need to throw Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas off the court.

So you can not surrender your freedom fast enough.

Typical for the left.

Righties like to talk in one two word talking points. Freedom. Unconstitutional. HA! You don't know what you are talking about. That is why you say things without explanation.

Do you know that this argument/debate is actually an old argument that we had during Thomas Jefferson's time? We haven't had this argument since but the GOP have run out of options so they have dusted off the old playbook.

 

[Conservative]

The righties on the Supreme Court already proved to be right wing hacks when they passed Citizens United. This will just be another blow to their reputations so they will pass Obamacare. Plus they don't wan't to lose the only issue they have in an election year.

Fact is, Obamacare is great and is getting better and better every year as the mandates for the insurance companies kick in. Some have yet to kick in. Soon healthcare will be affordable. You won't mind buying it just like you don't mind buying car insurance. And a form of single payer is coming. If the GOP undo Obamacare, what is their solution? They don't have one.

I can't even begin to explain to you how many fallacies are in that post.

 

[Full-Auto]

I hope the right wingers in the supreme court do play politics with this so the voters understand how important it is to have a Democrat in the White House. Justices are retriing and we already have to deal with Roberts for at least 30 years unless he gets ill god willing. They need to throw Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Thomas off the court.

So you can not surrender your freedom fast enough.

Typical for the left.

Righties like to talk in one two word talking points. Freedom. Unconstitutional. HA! You don't know what you are talking about. That is why you say things without explanation.

Do you know that this argument/debate is actually an old argument that we had during Thomas Jefferson's time? We haven't had this argument since but the GOP have run out of options so they have dusted off the old playbook.

Sure pal. You can not surrender your liberty fast enough, your posts have proved that over and over, then if we examine the corruption you support through silence, we realize that Madison was right, you dont deserve liberty.

 

[sealybobo]

So you can not surrender your freedom fast enough.

Typical for the left.

Righties like to talk in one two word talking points. Freedom. Unconstitutional. HA! You don't know what you are talking about. That is why you say things without explanation.

Do you know that this argument/debate is actually an old argument that we had during Thomas Jefferson's time? We haven't had this argument since but the GOP have run out of options so they have dusted off the old playbook.

Sure pal. You can not surrender your liberty fast enough, your posts have proved that over and over, then if we examine the corruption you support through silence, we realize that Madison was right, you dont deserve liberty.

ARE YOU ONE OF THESE? SOUND LIKE ONE TO ME.

Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio Republicans:
These are one of the angriest groups of Republicans. They watch Fox News or listen to Conservative Talk Radio and they think it makes them an expert on politics. The only knowledge they have of politics is parroted talking points without any facts to back them up. When you defeat them in debate they will resort to calling you names like “Liberal,” “commie,” “socialist” or “baby-killer” etc. They think all liberals are socialists that want to take their money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
They have no idea what they are talking about. Usually they’re just repeating things they have heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. They think that liberals want to take away their freedoms and they clearly don’t know what the word “liberal” means, or what liberals have done for our country and freedom. They think President Obama is comparable to Hitler for passing health-care reform. They accuse you of watching MSNBC if you don’t agree with them. They call you a sheep but expect you to blindly believe everything they tell you, without question.

What to Remember when debating them:
Keep demanding facts from them to back up their assertions until they break down and call you any of the aforementioned names. Ask them to name specific freedoms that liberals have taken away from them. They have a tendency to become violent so watch their hands if you are debating them face to face.

 

[sealybobo]

The righties on the Supreme Court already proved to be right wing hacks when they passed Citizens United. This will just be another blow to their reputations so they will pass Obamacare. Plus they don't wan't to lose the only issue they have in an election year.

Fact is, Obamacare is great and is getting better and better every year as the mandates for the insurance companies kick in. Some have yet to kick in. Soon healthcare will be affordable. You won't mind buying it just like you don't mind buying car insurance. And a form of single payer is coming. If the GOP undo Obamacare, what is their solution? They don't have one.

I can't even begin to explain to you how many fallacies are in that post.

YOU ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THESE:

Tea Party Republicans:
These Republicans are a dumbed-down Fox News Republican. They think Sarah Palin is intelligent and it’s the media filter’s fault that she looks so stupid. They think Reagan was fiscally Conservative even though he tripled the deficit. They watch Fox News religiously, and think Glenn Beck is credible. They don’t understand why people think they’re racist while they’re standing next to people holding racist signs. They protest higher taxes even though taxes have gone down for 95% of working families.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
They parrot Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin talking points. When you discredit one thing they say they immediately move on to the next subject. Anyone that doesn’t agree with them is a socialist, even though they can’t give you the actual definition of socialism. Many of them are on Medicare while protesting “socialism.” They have never met a socialist, so they have no idea what socialists believe. They think liberals are socialists and socialists are Nazis.

What to Remember when debating them:

They have no idea what they’re talking about. Ask them to prove what they are saying. If you ask them a question and they respond with a question refuse to answer their question until they answer yours. Don’t back down. Remind them that taxes have actually been lowered for 95% of working families. If debating them in public be careful because they are known to carry guns in places they don’t need them, like public parks and bars and churches.

 

[Katzndogz]

Liberals really don't like freedom. They want a totalitarian utopia where the government takes care of them.

 

[Full-Auto]

Righties like to talk in one two word talking points. Freedom. Unconstitutional. HA! You don't know what you are talking about. That is why you say things without explanation.

Do you know that this argument/debate is actually an old argument that we had during Thomas Jefferson's time? We haven't had this argument since but the GOP have run out of options so they have dusted off the old playbook.

Sure pal. You can not surrender your liberty fast enough, your posts have proved that over and over, then if we examine the corruption you support through silence, we realize that Madison was right, you dont deserve liberty.

ARE YOU ONE OF THESE? SOUND LIKE ONE TO ME.

Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio Republicans:
These are one of the angriest groups of Republicans. They watch Fox News or listen to Conservative Talk Radio and they think it makes them an expert on politics. The only knowledge they have of politics is parroted talking points without any facts to back them up. When you defeat them in debate they will resort to calling you names like “Liberal,” “commie,” “socialist” or “baby-killer” etc. They think all liberals are socialists that want to take their money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
They have no idea what they are talking about. Usually they’re just repeating things they have heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. They think that liberals want to take away their freedoms and they clearly don’t know what the word “liberal” means, or what liberals have done for our country and freedom. They think President Obama is comparable to Hitler for passing health-care reform. They accuse you of watching MSNBC if you don’t agree with them. They call you a sheep but expect you to blindly believe everything they tell you, without question.

What to Remember when debating them:
Keep demanding facts from them to back up their assertions until they break down and call you any of the aforementioned names. Ask them to name specific freedoms that liberals have taken away from them. They have a tendency to become violent so watch their hands if you are debating them face to face.

I am uninterested in your perceptions, I will stick with the facts or details presented.

Take you best shot though, I just defeated two obamabots yesterday in two separate court hearings, One bot got more time then the prosecutor asked for. Victim impact statements are a bitch. The other will be paying out 6 figures over the next twelve months.

Never tell someone how you ripped someone off then rip off that person.

 

[Valerie]

Transcript: Health care Supreme Court arguments, Tuesday Part 1
Transcript: Health care Supreme Court arguments, Tuesday Part 1 - POLITICO.com

Transcript: Supreme Court health care argument, Tuesday Part II
Transcript: Supreme Court health care argument, Tuesday Part II - POLITICO.com

 

[sealybobo]

Sure pal. You can not surrender your liberty fast enough, your posts have proved that over and over, then if we examine the corruption you support through silence, we realize that Madison was right, you dont deserve liberty.

ARE YOU ONE OF THESE? SOUND LIKE ONE TO ME.

Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio Republicans:
These are one of the angriest groups of Republicans. They watch Fox News or listen to Conservative Talk Radio and they think it makes them an expert on politics. The only knowledge they have of politics is parroted talking points without any facts to back them up. When you defeat them in debate they will resort to calling you names like “Liberal,” “commie,” “socialist” or “baby-killer” etc. They think all liberals are socialists that want to take their money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
They have no idea what they are talking about. Usually they’re just repeating things they have heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. They think that liberals want to take away their freedoms and they clearly don’t know what the word “liberal” means, or what liberals have done for our country and freedom. They think President Obama is comparable to Hitler for passing health-care reform. They accuse you of watching MSNBC if you don’t agree with them. They call you a sheep but expect you to blindly believe everything they tell you, without question.

What to Remember when debating them:
Keep demanding facts from them to back up their assertions until they break down and call you any of the aforementioned names. Ask them to name specific freedoms that liberals have taken away from them. They have a tendency to become violent so watch their hands if you are debating them face to face.

I am uninterested in your perceptions, I will stick with the facts or details presented.

Take you best shot though, I just defeated two obamabots yesterday in two separate court hearings, One bot got more time then the prosecutor asked for. Victim impact statements are a bitch. The other will be paying out 6 figures over the next twelve months.

Never tell someone how you ripped someone off then rip off that person.

In other words I misjudged you. You are actually an

Extremely Idiotic Republican:

These Republicans are Republicans because they think it’s cool.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:

They think that Republicans are fiscally conservative because they say that they are, and call anyone that doesn’t agree with them sheep. They ignore all historical information that is contradictory to what they say. They are 100% blind to facts.

What to Remember when debating them:

No amount of facts or logic will ever convince them that their buddies are wrong. You could be a college professor and they will still think that your opinion isn’t credible. Instead of trying to argue with them try explaining Algebra to your dog. I’m sure it will be much more productive

 

[Dr.Traveler]

How is my health insurance INTERSTATE commerce?

My insurance company is based in Boston and my payments to them stay in state, I live in Massachussetts, my doctor is in MA, and I don't do any dealings with my insurance company over state lines.

How is that interstate? I don't see it please enlighten me.

Actually, Health Insurance by law isn't Interstate Commerce. You can't buy policies out of state. The GOP pushed for allowing folks to buy policies across state lines and that got shut down for some very good reasons. The irony here is that if the Democrats had caved on that issue, Health Insurance would have become Interstate Commerce and fallen under the purview of the Federal Government.

 

[Full-Auto]

ARE YOU ONE OF THESE? SOUND LIKE ONE TO ME.

Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio Republicans:
These are one of the angriest groups of Republicans. They watch Fox News or listen to Conservative Talk Radio and they think it makes them an expert on politics. The only knowledge they have of politics is parroted talking points without any facts to back them up. When you defeat them in debate they will resort to calling you names like “Liberal,” “commie,” “socialist” or “baby-killer” etc. They think all liberals are socialists that want to take their money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:
They have no idea what they are talking about. Usually they’re just repeating things they have heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. They think that liberals want to take away their freedoms and they clearly don’t know what the word “liberal” means, or what liberals have done for our country and freedom. They think President Obama is comparable to Hitler for passing health-care reform. They accuse you of watching MSNBC if you don’t agree with them. They call you a sheep but expect you to blindly believe everything they tell you, without question.

What to Remember when debating them:
Keep demanding facts from them to back up their assertions until they break down and call you any of the aforementioned names. Ask them to name specific freedoms that liberals have taken away from them. They have a tendency to become violent so watch their hands if you are debating them face to face.

I am uninterested in your perceptions, I will stick with the facts or details presented.

Take you best shot though, I just defeated two obamabots yesterday in two separate court hearings, One bot got more time then the prosecutor asked for. Victim impact statements are a bitch. The other will be paying out 6 figures over the next twelve months.

Never tell someone how you ripped someone off then rip off that person.

In other words I misjudged you. You are actually an

Extremely Idiotic Republican:

These Republicans are Republicans because they think it’s cool.

The reason why this type of Republican is an idiot:

They think that Republicans are fiscally conservative because they say that they are, and call anyone that doesn’t agree with them sheep. They ignore all historical information that is contradictory to what they say. They are 100% blind to facts.

What to Remember when debating them:

No amount of facts or logic will ever convince them that their buddies are wrong. You could be a college professor and they will still think that your opinion isn’t credible. Instead of trying to argue with them try explaining Algebra to your dog. I’m sure it will be much more productive

You arent sharp enough in any category to know my views.

But I will make a challenge to you, that you will choose to wimp out of.

Pick the political spectrum test of your choice for us to compare who the whack job is.


Man up wuss.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

He can't.

Hell. Insurance companies can't even compete across State Lines in most States.

allowing sale of health insurance across state lines would go a long way to reducing costs for health insurance.

Actually, it wouldn't. Take a few minutes and research where your credit cards are all based out of... I guarantee you that you'll find out they're all based out of two states, Utah and Delaware.

Then research WHY.

Once you're done you'll realize that allowing folks to purchase across state lines would open up a Pandora's box unlike anything you've ever seen. It's a good thing you can't purchase insurance across state lines. Plus, allowing purchase across state lines undercuts the power of the individual States, something I am not in favor of.

Now, if it does happen that the Feds and the States allow purchase across State lines then insurance will constitute interstate commerce and the mandate is back in play.

 

[Syphon]

Liberals really don't like freedom. They want a totalitarian utopia where the government takes care of them.

conservative dont like equality, they think you should have to pay for it.

 

[Syphon]

He can't.

Hell. Insurance companies can't even compete across State Lines in most States.

allowing sale of health insurance across state lines would go a long way to reducing costs for health insurance.

Actually, it wouldn't. Take a few minutes and research where your credit cards are all based out of... I guarantee you that you'll find out they're all based out of two states, Utah and Delaware.

Then research WHY.

Once you're done you'll realize that allowing folks to purchase across state lines would open up a Pandora's box unlike anything you've ever seen. It's a good thing you can't purchase insurance across state lines. Plus, allowing purchase across state lines undercuts the power of the individual States, something I am not in favor of.

Now, if it does happen that the Feds and the States allow purchase across State lines then insurance will constitute interstate commerce and the mandate is back in play.

the ACA will actually allow you to purchase insurance across state lines.

 

[Decepticon]

The righties on the Supreme Court already proved to be right wing hacks when they passed Citizens United. This will just be another blow to their reputations so they will pass Obamacare. Plus they don't wan't to lose the only issue they have in an election year.

Fact is, Obamacare is great and is getting better and better every year as the mandates for the insurance companies kick in. Some have yet to kick in. Soon healthcare will be affordable. You won't mind buying it just like you don't mind buying car insurance. And a form of single payer is coming. If the GOP undo Obamacare, what is their solution? They don't have one.

I can't even begin to explain to you how many fallacies are in that post.

So you don't explain ANY of them.

Results? The same as if you didn't refute a single "fallacy"

I can't even begin to explain to you how badly you failed in that post. And I doubt you'd understand if I tried.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Liberals need their lives controlled and managed by dimwitted bureaucrats

theyre too cerebrally constrained to help themselves

 

[The Rabbi]

He can't.

Hell. Insurance companies can't even compete across State Lines in most States.

allowing sale of health insurance across state lines would go a long way to reducing costs for health insurance.

Actually, it wouldn't. Take a few minutes and research where your credit cards are all based out of... I guarantee you that you'll find out they're all based out of two states, Utah and Delaware.

Then research WHY.

Once you're done you'll realize that allowing folks to purchase across state lines would open up a Pandora's box unlike anything you've ever seen. It's a good thing you can't purchase insurance across state lines. Plus, allowing purchase across state lines undercuts the power of the individual States, something I am not in favor of.

Now, if it does happen that the Feds and the States allow purchase across State lines then insurance will constitute interstate commerce and the mandate is back in play.

There is tremendous competition among credit card issuers. I can choose from hundreds of cards offering many options to suit my particular situation.
I wish health care were that flexible.

If that happened there would be no need for the Feds to intervene.