The first step is to define the parameters of the debate. The conservative position traditionally holds for border control, including a border fence. Opposition to amnesty, including amnesty through the Dream Act. Opposition to drivers licenses for illegal aliens, and enforcement of I9 verification. The leftist position traditionally holds for a more lax border, opposition to the border fence, opposition to border patrol pursuing border crossings. Support for the Dream Act and general amnesty. Support for drivers licenses for illegals. I9 verification is termed "racist" and profiling. Personalities have little to do with the positions. The first TEA parties were held in opposition to the efforts of John McCain and George W. Bush to float an amnesty for illegal aliens in 2006. Bush and McCain were motivated by the desire to pander to Hispanic voters. That these were/are Republicans, does not make support of amnesty a "conservative" position. To claim it does is simply ignorant. I will argue either the leftist side or the conservative side; your choice. I will not argue "pot luck.'