I'm for gutting the whole government system

[The T]

The Angry Mob Rules in a Democracy, not Reason, but Impulse, the flavor of the day.

A true Democracy is best described as mob rule.

The down side of it is the great manipulators, and the loudest voices, can do real damage, to what is right. Relating the ability to Constitutional Amendment to pass two litmus tests before being able to impose itself on the Whole Society, 2/3 approval to bring a matter to discussion, 3/4 approval,to ratify, making it law. Far from the simple majority needed for the Government to pass Legislation within it's Constitutional Authority. The consent of that Super Majority, really needs to be worked for. Until it is attained, the matter would revert to the States Individually and Independently. That would be the Case except for the Power Granted to the Court over the other two branches of the Federal Government. Not Judicial Review, but the abuse of it and the abandonment of Reason to achieve an end. The End does not justify the means. The Courts role is not to connect dots that aren't there, or divine intent. The Amendment process, is the means to create new bridges, by design. The fact that it is used so little, and ignored, speaks volumes about how far we have strayed. Government by the consent of the Governed. Respecting the Unalienable Right of Each.

Indeed. The 'Third Branch' was termed as the most Despotic by Jefferson.

The Despotic Branch – Selective Compliance

The above is a good read..

 

[Liability]

Don't you get tired of Republicans screaming for tearing down the government but not having a single idea what to replace it with? Do they really want us to be Afghanistan?

Conservatives are talking about the Constitution and the FOUNDING principles...Republicans have LOST thier way deany...it's been stated ad nauseum thoughout these pages...but yet? *YOU* plod on...

Face it deany? yer an idiot. A TOOL of yer masters in big gubmint.

SUCKS...to be YOU.

The Republican Party is the face of conservatism. From their anti intellectualism to their crawling to corporations.

The GOP, despite your insistence on endlessly reiterating your dishonest propaganda, has never been and still isn't anti-intellectual.

And the face of Conservatism is also not the GOP. FAR too many Dem-"lites" in the GOP for it to ever serve as the face of Conservatism.

Moreover, the Democrap Party has no problem cozying up to corporations. Look at who GAVE -- and gave LARGE -- to the disaster currently serving in the White House as President.

Your propaganda is always dishonest, rdunce, and remains a major fail.

 

[The T]

Conservatives are talking about the Constitution and the FOUNDING principles...Republicans have LOST thier way deany...it's been stated ad nauseum thoughout these pages...but yet? *YOU* plod on...

Face it deany? yer an idiot. A TOOL of yer masters in big gubmint.

SUCKS...to be YOU.

The Republican Party is the face of conservatism. From their anti intellectualism to their crawling to corporations.

The GOP, despite your insistence on endlessly reiterating your dishonest propaganda, has never been and still isn't anti-intellectual.

And the face of Conservatism is also not the GOP. FAR too many Dem-"lites" in the GOP for it to ever serve as the face of Conservatism.

Moreover, the Democrap Party has no problem cozying up to corporations. Look at who GAVE -- and gave LARGE -- to the disaster currently serving in the White House as President.

Your propaganda is always dishonest, rdunce, and remains a major fail.

And as corporations go? The Unions are one of them...they have become corporations unto themselves.."Big Labor".

 

[Liability]

The Republican Party is the face of conservatism. From their anti intellectualism to their crawling to corporations.

The GOP, despite your insistence on endlessly reiterating your dishonest propaganda, has never been and still isn't anti-intellectual.

And the face of Conservatism is also not the GOP. FAR too many Dem-"lites" in the GOP for it to ever serve as the face of Conservatism.

Moreover, the Democrap Party has no problem cozying up to corporations. Look at who GAVE -- and gave LARGE -- to the disaster currently serving in the White House as President.

Your propaganda is always dishonest, rdunce, and remains a major fail.

And as corporations go? The Unions are one of them...they have become corporations unto themselves.."Big Labor".

That's a good point. Unions AS corporations.

And a fucking weird type of corporation, too.

They don't even always properly serve their own alleged constituency. It's not even their apparent main agenda. But, man, for purposes of what their true agenda is, they give LOT$ to the Dem Parody.

 

[The T]

The GOP, despite your insistence on endlessly reiterating your dishonest propaganda, has never been and still isn't anti-intellectual.

And the face of Conservatism is also not the GOP. FAR too many Dem-"lites" in the GOP for it to ever serve as the face of Conservatism.

Moreover, the Democrap Party has no problem cozying up to corporations. Look at who GAVE -- and gave LARGE -- to the disaster currently serving in the White House as President.

Your propaganda is always dishonest, rdunce, and remains a major fail.

And as corporations go? The Unions are one of them...they have become corporations unto themselves.."Big Labor".

That's a good point. Unions AS corporations.

And a fucking weird type of corporation, too.

They don't even always properly serve their own alleged constituency. It's not even their apparent main agenda. But, man, for purposes of what their true agenda is, they give LOT$ to the Dem Parody.

Yes they do. They'll throw an occasional bone to a RINO to throw us off the trail of their money laundering activities.

After all? When was the last time you heard a Union BOSS threaten the Democrat Parody?

AFL-CIO Chief Warning Dems to Do More for Unions or Lose Support


Wasn't TARP? Porkulus I, Porkulus II enough for them?

 

[Big Hoss]

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

The problem with your systems is they do not protect individual rights which is exactly what a Constitutional Republic does.

Well I would prefer a NS system with some Libertarian tendencies as well...It's an odd mixture I have not perfected yet.

 

[Big Hoss]

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Also the Fascism I am worried about here is what is here already...government intrusion into lives,normal people treated like 2nd class citizens,their houses being kicked in and shot by cops the government is way out of control but in a perfect NS society none of that would be necessary because the people would not have the problems like we have here....

I am going to be straight forward with you. You're contridicting your in two back to back post. It was the national socialist who did bust down the doors of certains citizens who were made non citizens when the national socialist came into power.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

That is the story we are force fed by the government run schools yes. But I know it wasn't that way in real life Germany when Hitler came to power.

 

[Big Hoss]

kurreck

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Post #116 appears to imply that you oppose any kind of regulation on (your concept of) a free market.

If that's not the case, feel free to correct me and I'll concede the point.

Not at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. I'm happy to entertain theoretical notions about how a future society might get along without compulsive government, but in my opinion anarchy is a totally unworkable proposition for any existing human societies.

Free markets can't really work without consensus on basic rule of law. At a minimum you need to preserve some concept of private property, otherwise trading is moot. Free trade is also enhanced by rules that accommodate transparent dealings and prevent fraud. What I'm arguing against are the kinds of laws that interfere with our freedom to decide who to trade with and under what terms. Trade between consenting adults shouldn't require permission from the state.

Laws that promote trade transparency and prevent fraud are, by their nature, limiting our freedom to trade with certain parties or on certain terms, correct?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Also the Fascism I am worried about here is what is here already...government intrusion into lives,normal people treated like 2nd class citizens,their houses being kicked in and shot by cops the government is way out of control but in a perfect NS society none of that would be necessary because the people would not have the problems like we have here....

I am going to be straight forward with you. You're contridicting your in two back to back post. It was the national socialist who did bust down the doors of certains citizens who were made non citizens when the national socialist came into power.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

That is the story we are force fed by the government run schools yes. But I know it wasn't that way in real life Germany when Hitler came to power.

The nazi's kept a great deal of records paper work and pictures in detail about their death camps.
Gallery of Holocaust Images
Nazi death camp records reveal fate of millions - Telegraph

Video
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Hitler created laws that would imprison German citizens of Jewish decent.
Two 1933 Nazi Articles on the Jews

 

[dblack]

Laws that promote trade transparency and prevent fraud are, by their nature, limiting our freedom to trade with certain parties or on certain terms, correct?

Yes. We give up the 'right' to lie, cheat and steal so that trading can be accomplished without resorting to violence. This is the same basic tradeoff implicit in the nature of all government.

Again, I'm not arguing for unlimited freedom (and I'm not really sure why're you're trying to push it there). I'm assuming an obvious distinction between laws that prevent theft and fraud and those that mandate conformity for the convenience of the state - and perhaps you're not willing to grant such a distinction. It's the difference between a 'regulation' that says you can't deliberately misrepresent a product and one that says you can only trade on weekdays between the hours 8:00 am and 5:00 pm in a government appointed 'free trade zone'.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No more Frst Amendment rights. Wheres the voice of the first Amendment liberals at?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYv6RMbuxfc]YouTube - ‪IT'S HERE FOLKS, POLICE STATE, NO MORE PEACEFUL PROTEST, VIRGINIA‬‏[/ame]

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Laws that promote trade transparency and prevent fraud are, by their nature, limiting our freedom to trade with certain parties or on certain terms, correct?

Yes. We give up the 'right' to lie, cheat and steal so that trading can be accomplished without resorting to violence. This is the same basic tradeoff implicit in the nature of all government.

Again, I'm not arguing for unlimited freedom (and I'm not really sure why're you're trying to push it there). I'm assuming an obvious distinction between laws that prevent theft and fraud and those that mandate conformity for the convenience of the state - and perhaps you're not willing to grant such a distinction. It's the difference between a 'regulation' that says you can't deliberately misrepresent a product and one that says you can only trade on weekdays between the hours 8:00 am and 5:00 pm in a government appointed 'free trade zone'.

It's not that I'm unwilling, per se, to grant the distinction. Only that it can be problematic to separate the two types of laws as you're doing.

(And to your example, market hours and free trade zones are becoming obsolete with global Internet-based trading technology, anyway. Without that, such laws would be necessary for trade transparency.)

 

[dblack]

Without that, such laws would be necessary for trade transparency.

???

I guess that's what you mean by problematic. Perhaps my mistake is in assuming rational jurisprudence. If we rationalize our way around any and every limitation on government power, all bets are off.

 

[Intense]

A true Democracy is best described as mob rule.

The down side of it is the great manipulators, and the loudest voices, can do real damage, to what is right. Relating the ability to Constitutional Amendment to pass two litmus tests before being able to impose itself on the Whole Society, 2/3 approval to bring a matter to discussion, 3/4 approval,to ratify, making it law. Far from the simple majority needed for the Government to pass Legislation within it's Constitutional Authority. The consent of that Super Majority, really needs to be worked for. Until it is attained, the matter would revert to the States Individually and Independently. That would be the Case except for the Power Granted to the Court over the other two branches of the Federal Government. Not Judicial Review, but the abuse of it and the abandonment of Reason to achieve an end. The End does not justify the means. The Courts role is not to connect dots that aren't there, or divine intent. The Amendment process, is the means to create new bridges, by design. The fact that it is used so little, and ignored, speaks volumes about how far we have strayed. Government by the consent of the Governed. Respecting the Unalienable Right of Each.

Indeed. The 'Third Branch' was termed as the most Despotic by Jefferson.

The Despotic Branch – Selective Compliance

The above is a good read..

"To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."

—Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

Supreme Court - STEPHENS DEMPSEY for US SENATE

 

[bigrebnc1775]

More over reaching rights striping of the federal government.


Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill
The Department of Justice circulated a letter that told the politicians if they went through with HB 1937, the TSA would cancel flights out of Texas.

Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

 

[Intense]

More over reaching rights striping of the federal government.


Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill
The Department of Justice circulated a letter that told the politicians if they went through with HB 1937, the TSA would cancel flights out of Texas.

Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

They may be better off building Support, than implementing radical change. Where are the other States on this???

 

[bigrebnc1775]

More over reaching rights striping of the federal government.


Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill
The Department of Justice circulated a letter that told the politicians if they went through with HB 1937, the TSA would cancel flights out of Texas.

Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

They may be better off building Support, than implementing radical change. Where are the other States on this???

Not sure this is the first I heard of it. thought it news worthy s I posted it.

 

[Intense]

More over reaching rights striping of the federal government.


Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill
The Department of Justice circulated a letter that told the politicians if they went through with HB 1937, the TSA would cancel flights out of Texas.

Texas Legislature, Federal Government Clash Over Airport Pat-Down Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

They may be better off building Support, than implementing radical change. Where are the other States on this???

Not sure this is the first I heard of it. thought it news worthy s I posted it.

You fight them the wrong way, and they use their full power to undermine, discredit, and obstruct. What they do not have power over, is Public Opinion.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What I don't like is how the fed's think they have all the authority

"Under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, Texas has no authority to regulate federal agents and employees in the performance of their federal duties or to pass a statute that conflicts with federal law," John Murphy, an United States attorney, wrote in the letter.

I understnd the fed's are to protect civil rights but they do not have the authority to cross state lines this way.