I'm for gutting the whole government system

[rdean]

Couldn't resist it could you deany?

Don't you get tired of Republicans screaming for tearing down the government but not having a single idea what to replace it with? Do they really want us to be Afghanistan?

Conservatives are talking about the Constitution and the FOUNDING principles...Republicans have LOST thier way deany...it's been stated ad nauseum thoughout these pages...but yet? *YOU* plod on...

Face it deany? yer an idiot. A TOOL of yer masters in big gubmint.

SUCKS...to be YOU.

The Republican Party is the face of conservatism. From their anti intellectualism to their crawling to corporations.

 

[uscitizen]

Don't you get tired of Republicans screaming for tearing down the government but not having a single idea what to replace it with? Do they really want us to be Afghanistan?

Conservatives are talking about the Constitution and the FOUNDING principles...Republicans have LOST thier way deany...it's been stated ad nauseum thoughout these pages...but yet? *YOU* plod on...

Face it deany? yer an idiot. A TOOL of yer masters in big gubmint.

SUCKS...to be YOU.

The Republican Party is the face of conservatism. From their anti intellectualism to their crawling to corporations.

Intellectuals do tend to be independent thinkers and poor sheep.

 

[shintao]

The free market maximizes for profit regardelss of impacts on society.
In a free market heroin and such would be available to anyone with the money to buy it.
Guns to felons. Drugs/alcohol to children, etc.
Child prostitution, slavery, etc.
Abortion on demand with no restrictions.
As you can see regulations are necessary.

Sorry, but you're not making sense. A free market doesn't mean "no laws". It's not clear to me why you'd jump to such accusations. Laws against the sorts of heinous crimes you're citing aren't the kinds of "regulations" free market advocates oppose. Indeed, laws preventing violence, theft, coercion, etc. are the bedrock of a free market.

Laws are regulations which restrict or eliminate some businesses.

And yes a totally free market means no laws or govt interference with business.

We could really use this unbridled free market to let chaos rein and dump another 10 Trillion debt on Americans.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

The free market maximizes for profit regardelss of impacts on society.
In a free market heroin and such would be available to anyone with the money to buy it.
Guns to felons. Drugs/alcohol to children, etc.
Child prostitution, slavery, etc.
Abortion on demand with no restrictions.
As you can see regulations are necessary.

Sorry, but you're not making sense. A free market doesn't mean "no laws". It's not clear to me why you'd jump to such accusations. Laws against the sorts of heinous crimes you're citing aren't the kinds of "regulations" free market advocates oppose. Indeed, laws preventing violence, theft, coercion, etc. are the bedrock of a free market.

Enforcing laws costs money, doesn't it?

If you and liability had a working theory, we would have adopted anarchy long ago.

 

[dblack]

And yes a totally free market means no laws or govt interference with business.

Uh.. no it doesn't? I guess we're just disagreeing on terms. A free market is not anarchy.

 

[dblack]

Enforcing laws costs money, doesn't it?

If you and liability had a working theory, we would have adopted anarchy long ago.

Not sure what you mean. Again, a free market does not imply anarchy.

 

[Big Hoss]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

 

[dblack]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

 

[Big Hoss]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

 

[Big Hoss]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Also the Fascism I am worried about here is what is here already...government intrusion into lives,normal people treated like 2nd class citizens,their houses being kicked in and shot by cops the government is way out of control but in a perfect NS society none of that would be necessary because the people would not have the problems like we have here....

 

[dblack]

I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

So, is that the point in your view? To give people ride in their culture and country? Do you think racial identity establishes that?

 

[Big Hoss]

I believe a strong government that does the peoples will helps establish racial identity yes. The U.S is the Roman Empire and hopefully sooner than later it will fall and we can start over.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Enforcing laws costs money, doesn't it?

If you and liability had a working theory, we would have adopted anarchy long ago.

Not sure what you mean. Again, a free market does not imply anarchy.

Post #116 appears to imply that you oppose any kind of regulation on (your concept of) a free market.

If that's not the case, feel free to correct me and I'll concede the point.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

The problem with your systems is they do not protect individual rights which is exactly what a Constitutional Republic does.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Also the Fascism I am worried about here is what is here already...government intrusion into lives,normal people treated like 2nd class citizens,their houses being kicked in and shot by cops the government is way out of control but in a perfect NS society none of that would be necessary because the people would not have the problems like we have here....

I am going to be straight forward with you. You're contridicting your in two back to back post. It was the national socialist who did bust down the doors of certains citizens who were made non citizens when the national socialist came into power.

I agree. This country is way overdue for a revolution and personally I would like to see a National Socialist type government put in place.

I worry that's exactly where we're headed. Fascism just won't go away.

Fascism and National Socialism are 2 different Ideologies. In my perfect country the National Socialist nation would be of 1 race in my case the white race...It is obviously what works it worked in Germany. I don't see anything else that has turned nations around so fast other than National Socialism and given people pride in their culture and country.

 

[dblack]

Post #116 appears to imply that you oppose any kind of regulation on (your concept of) a free market.

If that's not the case, feel free to correct me and I'll concede the point.

Not at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. I'm happy to entertain theoretical notions about how a future society might get along without compulsive government, but in my opinion anarchy is a totally unworkable proposition for any existing human societies.

Free markets can't really work without consensus on basic rule of law. At a minimum you need to preserve some concept of private property, otherwise trading is moot. Free trade is also enhanced by rules that accommodate transparent dealings and prevent fraud. What I'm arguing against are the kinds of laws that interfere with our freedom to decide who to trade with and under what terms. Trade between consenting adults shouldn't require permission from the state.

 

[The T]

I repeat voting no longer works. It hasn't worked for 150 years.

Don't you see how ridiculous your premise is?

If voting didn't work and hadn't worked for some 150 years or so (which oddly enough takes us back to the year Abraham Lincoln took office), at SOME point, people would have resorted to "other methods," wouldn't they?

But I guess the South DID resort to other methods, didn't they? In the name of States Rights (which just so happens to be a conservative mantra these days), the South decided to break away from the Union and launched an unprovoked attack on Fort Sumter. The resulting conflagration ended up costing some 600,000 Americans their lives.

Are you suggesting that it might be time for a second bite at that apple?

You are hijacking a concept. Federalism was born under the respect for States Rights. States Rights are an integral part of Federalism.

Indeed. Some need to read the Ninth and Tenth amendments instead of ignoring them.

 

[The T]

The Angry Mob Rules in a Democracy, not Reason, but Impulse, the flavor of the day.

A true Democracy is best described as mob rule.

 

[georgephillip]

With the extention of the patriot act we can see our government is broken. Even the majority of TEA party members sent to D.C. voted for extending the patriot act. Voting no longer works, so when voting no longer works whats the next step to take?

44 'Tea Party Caucus' Members voted to renew Patriot Act - Los Angeles LA County Libertarian | Examiner.com

"Fourty four out of the 52 Republican members the official 'Tea Party Caucus' voted to renew expiring provisions of the Patriot Act on February 8th."

Freshmen Republicans AND Democrats are corrupted from the first day they arrive in DC.
That can not be changed at the ballot box.

What can be changed by voting is whether Republicans AND Democrats are FLUSHED by the hundreds from DC starting in 2012.

If your ballots already provide established third party alternatives, vote AGAINST all incumbents by selecting whichever third party candidate most closely mirrors your values.

The Internet makes this plan entirely doable:
All that's required is the Will to fire the second shot heard 'round the world.

44 'Tea Party Caucus' Members voted to renew Patriot Act - Los Angeles LA County Libertarian | Examiner.com

 

[Intense]

The Angry Mob Rules in a Democracy, not Reason, but Impulse, the flavor of the day.

A true Democracy is best described as mob rule.

The down side of it is the great manipulators, and the loudest voices, can do real damage, to what is right. Relating the ability to Constitutional Amendment to pass two litmus tests before being able to impose itself on the Whole Society, 2/3 approval to bring a matter to discussion, 3/4 approval,to ratify, making it law. Far from the simple majority needed for the Government to pass Legislation within it's Constitutional Authority. The consent of that Super Majority, really needs to be worked for. Until it is attained, the matter would revert to the States Individually and Independently. That would be the Case except for the Power Granted to the Court over the other two branches of the Federal Government. Not Judicial Review, but the abuse of it and the abandonment of Reason to achieve an end. The End does not justify the means. The Courts role is not to connect dots that aren't there, or divine intent. The Amendment process, is the means to create new bridges, by design. The fact that it is used so little, and ignored, speaks volumes about how far we have strayed. Government by the consent of the Governed. Respecting the Unalienable Right of Each.