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[thereisnospoon]

No, guy, it's a revenue problem.

Cops making an average of 50K a year for doing a job where people are SHOOTING AT THEM, working odd hours, etc. is not our problem.

It's the rich not paying their fair share.

If they are paying most of the taxes, it's because they have most of the wealth- AND that's the problem.

Stalin was the end result of a system where there was too much concentration of wealth at the top, until it toppled.

Simply physics... when the top is too heavy, and the bottom is too weak, things collapse.

Sorry you can't understand this, or refuse to.

Republicans have spent the last 30 years undermining the middle class through outsourcing, offshoring, union-busting, etc. And now they realized there were a few government workers who got to keep their good salaries...

Unfortunately, these are the people they'd be counting on to protect them when shit gets real.

I have a hard time imagine a cop trying to quell a riot for $50K... I could imagine he would be less eager to do it for 30K and no pension or benefits.

Holy shit. You exist in a parallel universe.
In any dictatorial or communist system, all wealth is the property of the central government(CG). The CG then decides the procedure to distribute. In all instances, these types of government have small elite ruling classes that are inside the government. These people attempt to convince the people they are benevolent. The government takes care of only the bare essentials. In each case the people are supplied just enough to keep them in line and out of the way of government policy.
Socialist governments offer certain freedoms. Government largess is achieved through extremely high tax rates as well as value added sales taxes. These systems work in places where societies are orderly relatively crime free and have small generally homogeneous populations.
Communist and dictatorial states control ALL wealth and control every aspect of the society.
Police officers are professionals. They may belong to unions but they would never pull the kind o shit the everyday union thug pulls by saying, "fuck you...I'm only getting paid "X", so I will do a shitty job"..
Police officers are professionals. They don't do the job just for the money.
I cannot believe there exists a person such as yourself with such archaic ideas.

 

[Meathead]

Stalin was the end result of a system where there was too much concentration of wealth at the top, until it toppled.

I have a hard time imagine a cop trying to quell a riot for $50K... I could imagine he would be less eager to do it for 30K and no pension or benefits.

We previously agreed that your lack of success was not the fault of the rich. That was a first step. I think now we can assess where the fault lies.

 

[JoeB131]

[]You know Joe, the rich are not responsible for your failures.

Never said they were.

They are largely responsible for the bad shape the country is in, though.

Same difference. You HATE wealth. You believe in redistribution without cause.

No, I believe in a very good cause.

The wealthy have too much, the rest of us have too little. This is never a good thing..

For reference, look up-

France 1787
Russia 1917
Cuba 1959
Iran 1979

To see what happens when that continues for too long.

 

[JoeB131]

Stalin was the end result of a system where there was too much concentration of wealth at the top, until it toppled.

I have a hard time imagine a cop trying to quell a riot for $50K... I could imagine he would be less eager to do it for 30K and no pension or benefits.

We previously agreed that your lack of success was not the fault of the rich. That was a first step. I think now we can assess where the fault lies.

We previously agreed that your reading comprehension skills were so low that you just didn't et what I was saying.

Frankly, I'm doing better than most in this economy. And I'm still struggling. That's the problem. Too many people are struggling, and that's never good.

Someone as far to the left as Obama NEVER could have gotten elected 20 years ago.

But he's been elected twice, with the biggest vote totals in US history.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Never said they were.

They are largely responsible for the bad shape the country is in, though.

Same difference. You HATE wealth. You believe in redistribution without cause.

No, I believe in a very good cause.

The wealthy have too much, the rest of us have too little. This is never a good thing..

For reference, look up-

France 1787
Russia 1917
Cuba 1959
Iran 1979

To see what happens when that continues for too long.

If you want more then go out and get it. No one is stopping you

 

[JoeB131]

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Holy shit. You exist in a parallel universe.
In any dictatorial or communist system, all wealth is the property of the central government(CG). The CG then decides the procedure to distribute. In all instances, these types of government have small elite ruling classes that are inside the government. These people attempt to convince the people they are benevolent. The government takes care of only the bare essentials. In each case the people are supplied just enough to keep them in line and out of the way of government policy.
Socialist governments offer certain freedoms. Government largess is achieved through extremely high tax rates as well as value added sales taxes. These systems work in places where societies are orderly relatively crime free and have small generally homogeneous populations.
Communist and dictatorial states control ALL wealth and control every aspect of the society.
Police officers are professionals. They may belong to unions but they would never pull the kind o shit the everyday union thug pulls by saying, "fuck you...I'm only getting paid "X", so I will do a shitty job"..
Police officers are professionals. They don't do the job just for the money.
I cannot believe there exists a person such as yourself with such archaic ideas.

Guy, it wasn't an endorsement of communism. Go back and read what I had to say slowly, and then have someone help you with the big words.

People chose Stalin (and yes, Stalin was fantastically popular with the Russian people and STILL is!) because the Tsars and the Romanovs fucked it up so badly.

Not saying what he did was good. Not saying it was a model to emulate. I'm saying that the thing was, people were sooo miserable under the Tsars that they got behind the communists, and after a particularly bitter civil war (that the west prolonged by backing the losing side) that's what they ended up with.

Hmmmm... wealth inequality and unpopular pointless wars? Hmmmm... Where have we seen that before?

 

[JoeB131]

Same difference. You HATE wealth. You believe in redistribution without cause.

No, I believe in a very good cause.

The wealthy have too much, the rest of us have too little. This is never a good thing..

For reference, look up-

France 1787
Russia 1917
Cuba 1959
Iran 1979

To see what happens when that continues for too long.

If you want more then go out and get it. No one is stopping you

The solution to Douchebags is not to become a douchebag.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, I believe in a very good cause.

The wealthy have too much, the rest of us have too little. This is never a good thing..

For reference, look up-

France 1787
Russia 1917
Cuba 1959
Iran 1979

To see what happens when that continues for too long.

If you want more then go out and get it. No one is stopping you

The solution to Douchebags is not to become a douchebag.

That statement is most telling.

People who want more than you and therefore work more than you are douche bags.

But people like you who want more but don't want to work to get it are not douche bags.

If I were you I'd seek some mental health counseling in order to deal with those debilitating feelings of inadequacy and jealousy.

 

[JoeB131]

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That statement is most telling.

People who want more than you and therefore work more than you are douche bags.

But people like you who want more but don't want to work to get it are not douche bags.

If I were you I'd seek some mental health counseling in order to deal with those debilitating feelings of inadequacy and jealousy.

Uh, I'm reasonably sure that I'm working much harder than they are.. and so do most people

it isn't that I "want" more, it's that the system is unbalanced. Heck, there are people who work harder than I do who make less.

There are people who work two jobs and their families still need to get food stamps to put food on the table.

Now, yeah, I could act like a douchebag and stab people in the back and kiss ass and self-promote, but frankly, who needs that shit?

 

[Skull Pilot]

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That statement is most telling.

People who want more than you and therefore work more than you are douche bags.

But people like you who want more but don't want to work to get it are not douche bags.

If I were you I'd seek some mental health counseling in order to deal with those debilitating feelings of inadequacy and jealousy.

Uh, I'm reasonably sure that I'm working much harder than they are.. and so do most people

it isn't that I "want" more, it's that the system is unbalanced. Heck, there are people who work harder than I do who make less.

There are people who work two jobs and their families still need to get food stamps to put food on the table.

Now, yeah, I could act like a douchebag and stab people in the back and kiss ass and self-promote, but frankly, who needs that shit?

So it's only people whose parents were more successful than yours that are douche bags.

Got it

Seek help you need it.

I have never seen such envy.

 

[JoeB131]

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So it's only people whose parents were more successful than yours that are douche bags.

Got it

Seek help you need it.

I have never seen such envy.

Are you really trying to hold the Hilton sisters up as role models, guy?

"My Parents worked hard underpaying people who cleaned hotel rooms so I could have a shitload of money and act like a tramp in public... weeeeee".

It's not an issue of envy, guy

It's an issue of practicality. Again, look at history. when you have a gilded upper class that no longer connects with the masses inany way, bad stuff usually follows.

The Plutocrats have made a muddle of things. My guess is the next GOP candidate is going to be a religous populist, and frankly, things are going to spiral out of control after that.

Unless we restore some balance.

 

[Skull Pilot]

[

So it's only people whose parents were more successful than yours that are douche bags.

Got it

Seek help you need it.

I have never seen such envy.

Are you really trying to hold the Hilton sisters up as role models, guy?

"My Parents worked hard underpaying people who cleaned hotel rooms so I could have a shitload of money and act like a tramp in public... weeeeee".

It's not an issue of envy, guy

Where did I do that? Nowhere. I don't give a shit about the Hilton girls because they have absolutely no effect on my life. But you seem to think they are stealing from you.

It's an issue of practicality. Again, look at history. when you have a gilded upper class that no longer connects with the masses inany way, bad stuff usually follows.

Again if you want more then go out and get it. No one is stopping you are they?

The Plutocrats have made a muddle of things. My guess is the next GOP candidate is going to be a religous populist, and frankly, things are going to spiral out of control after that.

Unless we restore some balance.

More chicken little nonsense.

 

[JoeB131]

Skull,

I'm old enough to remember when we had race riots in the 1960's,and my father showed my mom how to use a gun just in case.

Thankfully, we had people put some things into place then so they didn't get out of hand. Even Republicans. We stepped back from the abyss.

You clowns think that we need to jump right over it. And gosh darn, if you see it's a problem that we are the richest country in the world with one of the highest poverty rates in the industrialized world. well, that's just dandy. Those people working two jobs for minimum wage just ain't working hard enough. Suck it up, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Oh, wait. No? You're voting for the socialist? Why are you doing that?

 

[Meathead]

It's not an issue of envy, guy

It's an issue of practicality. Again, look at history. when you have a gilded upper class that no longer connects with the masses inany way, bad stuff usually follows.

The Plutocrats have made a muddle of things. My guess is the next GOP candidate is going to be a religous populist, and frankly, things are going to spiral out of control after that.

Unless we restore some balance.

If the rich are not responsible for your failures, who is?

Despite your denial, you sound very much like one of these people whose parents told them the world owes them a living and your resentment at not being as wealthy as you think you should be is channeled at those who are. It is in fact called envy.

 

[Jroc]

Wealth creates wealth. Wealth creates the marketplace from which all other economic activity is derived.
This is like acid in your cornflakes.
Your hostility is irrational.

I'll end this discussion by quoting the Greatest of All Republicans. (Perhaps All Americans.)

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
- Abraham Lincoln.

You idiot he's not talikng about the public sector they don't produce anything

 

[JoeB131]

It's not an issue of envy, guy

It's an issue of practicality. Again, look at history. when you have a gilded upper class that no longer connects with the masses inany way, bad stuff usually follows.

The Plutocrats have made a muddle of things. My guess is the next GOP candidate is going to be a religous populist, and frankly, things are going to spiral out of control after that.

Unless we restore some balance.

If the rich are not responsible for your failures, who is?

Despite your denial, you sound very much like one of these people whose parents told them the world owes them a living and your resentment at not being as wealthy as you think you should be is channeled at those who are. It is in fact called envy.

I should probably report you for bringing family members into a conversation, as that's against the rules, but for the record, my parents taught me to work hard, which is what I've done my whole life. I got my first job at 16 and I'm 50 now.

I'm opposed to those rich who behave badly.

The kind that wreck the banking industry, demand goverment bailouts, and then insist they are still entitled to their bonuses.

You know... those kinds of assholes.

Fact is, I'm not the one who wrecked the economy in 2008, they did. I was simply doing my job like a lot of us were.

 

[JoeB131]

You idiot he's not talikng about the public sector they don't produce anything

So when your house burns down, the fire department doesn't do anything when it comes by and saves it and your life? Because, hey, they're public sector, they aren't producing anything.

We have a public sector because there are some things the private sector won't do or can't be trusted to do.

 

[Meathead]

It's not an issue of envy, guy

It's an issue of practicality. Again, look at history. when you have a gilded upper class that no longer connects with the masses inany way, bad stuff usually follows.

The Plutocrats have made a muddle of things. My guess is the next GOP candidate is going to be a religous populist, and frankly, things are going to spiral out of control after that.

Unless we restore some balance.

If the rich are not responsible for your failures, who is?

Despite your denial, you sound very much like one of these people whose parents told them the world owes them a living and your resentment at not being as wealthy as you think you should be is channeled at those who are. It is in fact called envy.

I should probably report you for bringing family members into a conversation, as that's against the rules, but for the record, my parents taught me to work hard, which is what I've done my whole life. I got my first job at 16 and I'm 50 now.

You injected your parents into the thread on the 73rd post.

 

[JoeB131]

If the rich are not responsible for your failures, who is?

Despite your denial, you sound very much like one of these people whose parents told them the world owes them a living and your resentment at not being as wealthy as you think you should be is channeled at those who are. It is in fact called envy.

I should probably report you for bringing family members into a conversation, as that's against the rules, but for the record, my parents taught me to work hard, which is what I've done my whole life. I got my first job at 16 and I'm 50 now.

You injected your parents into the thread on the 73rd post.

Yes, I can talk about my parents.

You can't.

Check it out in the rules, in case you are confused on the issue.

 

[Meathead]

I should probably report you for bringing family members into a conversation, as that's against the rules, but for the record, my parents taught me to work hard, which is what I've done my whole life. I got my first job at 16 and I'm 50 now.

You injected your parents into the thread on the 73rd post.

Yes, I can talk about my parents.

You can't.

Check it out in the rules, in case you are confused on the issue.

I am neither concerned with you nor your parents, it is just that your envy is a bit jarring. Anyway, the world does not owe you a living, get over it.