Illegal immigrants

[sparky]

I am not saying that Paul Ryan and his worshipers have labeled Social Security and Medicare as Welfare many people label Immigrants as only coming here to get a welfare free lunch which is a straight up lie - they have obviously had no interaction with Immigrants so it is pure ignorance talking. I was alluding to them saying that what I get or survive on is the same thing - welfare is welfare in its many forms - Corporate Welfare in the form of huge tax breaks and subsidies like the farm subsidies 90% plus of the farmland here is owned by huge corporations like ADM! In 1900 80% Plus lived on family owned farms now only 7% or less do! The rest of the food production land is owned by huge Corporations! You call working two and three jobs cleaning toilets to survive welfare??? Would you do this??? I do not think so??? Is Trump and his Klan working for themselves on our nickle with 3M$ a weekend vacations paid by tax money and business trips all over the world for personal business with armed secret service teams guarding them not welfare? Trump using underpaid foreign nationals working at all of his properties and his kids and inlaws properties not welfare for them cheap underpaid foreigners? If not then what the hell is it??? Intense hate coupled with fear, all baseless, does not make one full of happiness, love, and wisdom - too busy festering hate and fear - nourishing - embellishing - exacerbating hate and fear like it was a hobby a passion a love a fetish??? Blaming the poor and less fortunate for your problems and maximizing their less fortune by taking away all that they have in this world and shipping them off to where they have nothing - no means of support as horrific punishment for trying to survive and do better for their families??? Does the punishment really fit the crime??? Stripping people of their dignity and treating them like vermin? Are we proud of this?

What’s SS have to do with illegals?

It;'s socialism

~S~

What is?

go here

~S~

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

 

[sparky]

So you get SS? That’s not leaching. Why do you think talking SS is leaching? It’s your money

I am not saying that Paul Ryan and his worshipers have labeled Social Security and Medicare as Welfare many people label Immigrants as only coming here to get a welfare free lunch which is a straight up lie - they have obviously had no interaction with Immigrants so it is pure ignorance talking. I was alluding to them saying that what I get or survive on is the same thing - welfare is welfare in its many forms - Corporate Welfare in the form of huge tax breaks and subsidies like the farm subsidies 90% plus of the farmland here is owned by huge corporations like ADM! In 1900 80% Plus lived on family owned farms now only 7% or less do! The rest of the food production land is owned by huge Corporations! You call working two and three jobs cleaning toilets to survive welfare??? Would you do this??? I do not think so??? Is Trump and his Klan working for themselves on our nickle with 3M$ a weekend vacations paid by tax money and business trips all over the world for personal business with armed secret service teams guarding them not welfare? Trump using underpaid foreign nationals working at all of his properties and his kids and inlaws properties not welfare for them cheap underpaid foreigners? If not then what the hell is it??? Intense hate coupled with fear, all baseless, does not make one full of happiness, love, and wisdom - too busy festering hate and fear - nourishing - embellishing - exacerbating hate and fear like it was a hobby a passion a love a fetish??? Blaming the poor and less fortunate for your problems and maximizing their less fortune by taking away all that they have in this world and shipping them off to where they have nothing - no means of support as horrific punishment for trying to survive and do better for their families??? Does the punishment really fit the crime??? Stripping people of their dignity and treating them like vermin? Are we proud of this?

What’s SS have to do with illegals?

What does "They all come here just to get welfare" have to do with the vast majority of immigrants working their asses off and appreciating the fact that they have jobs? The analogy is if welfare is the evil involved with illegals, as so many claim, then my income being characterized as blatant welfare by evil politicians makes me evil? It is a play on words. The true agenda of the Immigrants the illegals is spin doctored into something it is not to justify the fear and hate people are obsessed with and synergistically reinforce among themselves and work at recruiting people on the fence to their thinking and attitudes! Trump and those who harmonize with him have sensationalized embraced glorified stoked fear and hate - blame the minorities, women, non-Christians, the LGBTQ Comunity, the poor and less fortunate, the elderly, all people on benefits, for all of the ills, the problems plaguing this country and their lives???

Still trying to figure out how that relates to SS?

Never mind? I am no more on welfare anymore than the immigrants are! Working your ass off to survive is damn sure not welfare! Hard core ignorance keeps saying they only come here for welfare! The free lunch the complainers think they should be getting it would appear?

It's a cyclical argument Jon Jon

~S~

 

[danielpalos]

At least you could thank me ungrateful asshole. Illegal leach

If you live long enough you will be subject to the same conditions I face unless you are well off financially and can pay your own way to your end? I am handicapped and my wife has cancer - she is 72 and I am 74 and there is no way in hell we can work and start over! If you find a workaround to these facts please let me know? It is not that we do not want to work and cover our ass that way but we cannot physically do that anymore! When you get up in years you become unemployable and those of us who are not rolling in doe have to survive on the benefits we paid for all of our working lives!!! If we are cutoff then we have to beg or starve to death or commit suicide! If you have not been in this situation then do not knock it please it is pure torture under this current regime! We did not work our asses off for 40 years to be called leaches and treated like shyt!!!

So you get SS? That’s not leaching. Why do you think talking SS is leaching? It’s your money

I am not saying that Paul Ryan and his worshipers have labeled Social Security and Medicare as Welfare many people label Immigrants as only coming here to get a welfare free lunch which is a straight up lie - they have obviously had no interaction with Immigrants so it is pure ignorance talking. I was alluding to them saying that what I get or survive on is the same thing - welfare is welfare in its many forms - Corporate Welfare in the form of huge tax breaks and subsidies like the farm subsidies 90% plus of the farmland here is owned by huge corporations like ADM! In 1900 80% Plus lived on family owned farms now only 7% or less do! The rest of the food production land is owned by huge Corporations! You call working two and three jobs cleaning toilets to survive welfare??? Would you do this??? I do not think so??? Is Trump and his Klan working for themselves on our nickle with 3M$ a weekend vacations paid by tax money and business trips all over the world for personal business with armed secret service teams guarding them not welfare? Trump using underpaid foreign nationals working at all of his properties and his kids and inlaws properties not welfare for them cheap underpaid foreigners? If not then what the hell is it??? Intense hate coupled with fear, all baseless, does not make one full of happiness, love, and wisdom - too busy festering hate and fear - nourishing - embellishing - exacerbating hate and fear like it was a hobby a passion a love a fetish??? Blaming the poor and less fortunate for your problems and maximizing their less fortune by taking away all that they have in this world and shipping them off to where they have nothing - no means of support as horrific punishment for trying to survive and do better for their families??? Does the punishment really fit the crime??? Stripping people of their dignity and treating them like vermin? Are we proud of this?

What’s SS have to do with illegals?

It;'s socialism

~S~

Government is best; ask the right wing, when it really matters.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What’s SS have to do with illegals?

It;'s socialism

~S~

What is?

go here

~S~

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

 

[sparky]

It's possible for any sort of political structure to implode Todd.

there are many examples of socialism, feudalism, monarchism , communism on this rock that serve example.

our own top heavy capitalist system is obviously failing , and we serve as example of it as well , Jon Jon pointing a few sore spots out

citizens quality of life should factor in as a metric

but i digress, the entire 'illegals ate my job & taxes' shtick is a facade blown up to laughable proportions via the Trumpsters.

That there's been less infiltration due to more enforcement should evidence this

No, the problem is far more the 'legal immigrants' , check out our H1B gub'mit stats on this , allowing XXX entries, and then XXXXXXXXXXX exceptions to it

Why do you think all the CEO's flocked to washington recently?


Five charts that can help understand the H1B visa debate

~S~

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's possible for any sort of political structure to implode Todd.

there are many examples of socialism, feudalism, monarchism , communism on this rock that serve example.

our own top heavy capitalist system is obviously failing , and we serve as example of it as well , Jon Jon pointing a few sore spots out

citizens quality of life should factor in as a metric

but i digress, the entire 'illegals ate my job & taxes' shtick is a facade blown up to laughable proportions via the Trumpsters.

That there's been less infiltration due to more enforcement should evidence this

No, the problem is far more the 'legal immigrants' , check out our H1B gub'mit stats on this , allowing XXX entries, and then XXXXXXXXXXX exceptions to it

Why do you think all the CEO's flocked to washington recently?


Five charts that can help understand the H1B visa debate

~S~

our own top heavy capitalist system is obviously failing

I don't believe you. Show your proof.

but i digress, the entire 'illegals ate my job & taxes' shtick is a facade blown up to laughable proportions via the Trumpsters.

So what? Give them the boot.

 

[danielpalos]

It;'s socialism

~S~

What is?

go here

~S~

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is?

go here

~S~

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

 

[danielpalos]

go here

~S~

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

Isn't Capitalism supposed to be making money not losing money?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have a link to all the ways socialism has improved Venezuela?

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

Isn't Capitalism supposed to be making money not losing money?

Capitalism is the freedom to put your capital at risk.
Successful risk taking is rewarded with profit.
Unsuccessful risk taking is punished with loss and bankruptcy.
That results in the unsuccessful activity ending, at least by that risk taker.

In socialism, unsuccessful risk taking results in more money being spent/wasted.
The unsuccessful activity doesn't end.
The poor management isn't punished, so you get more.

 

[danielpalos]

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

Isn't Capitalism supposed to be making money not losing money?

Capitalism is the freedom to put your capital at risk.
Successful risk taking is rewarded with profit.
Unsuccessful risk taking is punished with loss and bankruptcy.
That results in the unsuccessful activity ending, at least by that risk taker.

In socialism, unsuccessful risk taking results in more money being spent/wasted.
The unsuccessful activity doesn't end.
The poor management isn't punished, so you get more.

So many Persons who aren't being fee'd and fined into a federal id. It really is a federal Obligation since 1808.

 

[sparky]

Venezuela is a complete disaster

~S~

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

Isn't Capitalism supposed to be making money not losing money?

Capitalism is the freedom to put your capital at risk.
Successful risk taking is rewarded with profit.
Unsuccessful risk taking is punished with loss and bankruptcy.
That results in the unsuccessful activity ending, at least by that risk taker.

In socialism, unsuccessful risk taking results in more money being spent/wasted.
The unsuccessful activity doesn't end.
The poor management isn't punished, so you get more.

An apt definition Todd

unfortunately wall street banksters and detriot automakers don't apply, appearing before congress with hat in hand

and they'll 'get more' if they ask.....

But if that isn't evidence enough, the disparity should be

please take a few minutes.....

>>>>


~S~

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How is that possible........socialism.

lousy management.

That's socialism, by definition.

Isn't Capitalism supposed to be making money not losing money?

Capitalism is the freedom to put your capital at risk.
Successful risk taking is rewarded with profit.
Unsuccessful risk taking is punished with loss and bankruptcy.
That results in the unsuccessful activity ending, at least by that risk taker.

In socialism, unsuccessful risk taking results in more money being spent/wasted.
The unsuccessful activity doesn't end.
The poor management isn't punished, so you get more.

An apt definition Todd

unfortunately wall street banksters and detriot automakers don't apply, appearing before congress with hat in hand

and they'll 'get more' if they ask.....

But if that isn't evidence enough, the disparity should be

please take a few minutes.....

>>>>


~S~

unfortunately wall street banksters and detriot automakers don't apply, appearing before congress with hat in hand

and they'll 'get more' if they ask.....

There is a very important difference between subsidizing failure, like Obama did with Solyndra, and a lender of last resort fighting a potential deflationary depression.

But if that isn't evidence enough, the disparity should be

Why should there be no disparity? Or a lower disparity?

 

[sparky]

There is a very important difference between subsidizing failure, like Obama did with Solyndra, and a lender of last resort fighting a potential deflationary depression.

Yes there is, but the dif is rewarding the perps who created the bubble

which only means it can happen again....and again...

Why should there be no disparity? Or a lower disparity?

There's always a disparity, in fact there's always a disparity in any given country's political system , that's normal.

What happens when a minority owns the majority of wealth is, they call the shots

In America they are literally buying our congress, as well as tailoring legislature to fill their coffers.

In essence, an oligarchy with the illusion of choice & illusion of freedom

~S~

 

[dblack]

There's always a disparity, in fact there's always a disparity in any given country's political system , that's normal.

What happens when a minority owns the majority of wealth is, they call the shots.

Yes. That's the way we distribute economic power in a free market. If it's based on voluntary transactions, it's arguably the single most accurate expression of the "Will of the People". It's when it's not based on voluntary transactions, when ...

In America they are literally buying our congress, as well as tailoring legislature to fill their coffers.

In essence, an oligarchy with the illusion of choice & illusion of freedom

~S~

When we grant government the power to interfere with the market, those invested in the market have a powerful incentive to control government. They succeed and then have even more power over us. Huzzah... ;(

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is a very important difference between subsidizing failure, like Obama did with Solyndra, and a lender of last resort fighting a potential deflationary depression.

Yes there is, but the dif is rewarding the perps who created the bubble

which only means it can happen again....and again...

Why should there be no disparity? Or a lower disparity?

There's always a disparity, in fact there's always a disparity in any given country's political system , that's normal.

What happens when a minority owns the majority of wealth is, they call the shots

In America they are literally buying our congress, as well as tailoring legislature to fill their coffers.

In essence, an oligarchy with the illusion of choice & illusion of freedom

~S~

Yes there is, but the dif is rewarding the perps who created the bubble

Not crashing the financial system of the country is "rewarding the perps"? LOL!

which only means it can happen again....and again...

Yup. Bubble happen. Always have, always will.

What happens when a minority owns the majority of wealth is, they call the shots

There has never been a time in a modern economy where a minority didn't own the majority.

 

[danielpalos]

applied Capitalism not applied Socialism!

 

[sparky]

Casino capitalism, which really translates to socialism for the rich,capitalism for the rest of us

But hey, maybe i can save my knickles, and buy me a congress critter


~S~

 

[longknife]

I was under the WRONG impression that this was a "Pro - Illegals Forum"???

If one has never befriended an "Economic Refugee" from South of the Border then how can they judge them? How can anyone in good conscience harbor such intense hate for fellow humans THAT HAVE "NEVER' DONE ANYTHING TO THEM PERSONALLY TO WARRANT ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE FEELINGS WHATSOEVER, LET ALONE INTENSE UNMITIGATED HATRED??? This is true of the hatred of any group or individual! Harboring hate and nurturing it by feeding on any information that reinforces this hatred, I do not believe is all that healthy for the individuals or groups that do so! This hatred predominately comes from learned behavior passed down from generation to generation! No human is born with the seed of hate implanted in their brain!

It's not a case of "hatred." It's a case of respecting the law.

 

[longknife]

Wow. You children truly enjoy your little spats, don't you?