If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea...

[Billy_Kinetta]

Who should go without?

Those who cannot pay for it, or receive it as a benefit for their employment.

No one should go without healthcare. It is a basic human right.

No, it is not. It is a service provided by others.

 

[PredFan]

Who should go without?

Those who cannot pay for it, or receive it as a benefit for their employment.

End of thread.

 

[PredFan]

Who should go without?

Those who cannot pay for it, or receive it as a benefit for their employment.

No one should go without healthcare. It is a basic human right.

Bull shit. I'm in healthcare, you have no right to my time or my training. It's the stupidest argument coming from the left since, well, you guys say a LOT of stupid shit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who should go without?

People on social programs. Every time this subject comes up in the media, their first concern is what about the poor people? Well, what about the working people is my question?

Working people are the ones who are paying for the non-working, and some of us working people don't have coverage ourselves. In the meantime, the poor are popping out kids like a popcorn machine and the rest of us have to support them including their medical.

So poor children and the elderly who are poor should go without?

Do you have a good argument as to why those groups should be punished for doing no wrong?

Do you have a good argument why those who support themselves should be punished for doing no wrong?

If you consider contributing to the greater good a punishment then you don't belong in America.

 

[Anathema]

That's a brilliant solution for the wealthiest country in the world.

It's not about miney. It's about Right and Wrong. Thoise who do not add to Society, or pull their own weight, hsve no value in Society.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So poor children and the elderly who are poor should go without?

Do you have a good argument as to why those groups should be punished for doing no wrong?

So what is the system we have now? The poor children get healthcare and the working people that provide that care don't? As far as Medicare goes, working people pay into that program their entire working lives.

40% of Medicare is paid out of the general fund, not out of the payroll tax.

 

[Anathema]

No one should go without healthcare. It is a basic human right.

No it's not. Never has been and hopefully never will be.

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's a brilliant solution for the wealthiest country in the world.

It's not about miney. It's about Right and Wrong. Thoise who do not add to Society, or pull their own weight, hsve no value in Society.

So if all taxes were made voluntary, we'd have no nation. Is that your desire?

 

[NYcarbineer]

No one should go without healthcare. It is a basic human right.

No it's not. Never has been and hopefully never will be.

so there are no such things as rights?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who should go without?

People on social programs. Every time this subject comes up in the media, their first concern is what about the poor people? Well, what about the working people is my question?

Working people are the ones who are paying for the non-working, and some of us working people don't have coverage ourselves. In the meantime, the poor are popping out kids like a popcorn machine and the rest of us have to support them including their medical.

So poor children and the elderly who are poor should go without?

Do you have a good argument as to why those groups should be punished for doing no wrong?

Do you have a good argument why those who support themselves should be punished for doing no wrong?

Should I be punished for having to pay the portion of my taxes that go to a defense budget that I do not support in its size and scope?

 

[Siete]

If Universal Healthcare is a Bad Idea ..

who should go without one





any Republcan registered to vote

 

[Anathema]

So if all taxes were made voluntary, we'd have no nation. Is that your desire?

I have no problem paying taxes for items with legitimate Constitutional mandates. Healthcare does not meet that criteria.

 

[Anathema]

so there are no such things as rights?

Not in terms of healthcare.

 

[Dragonlady]

Who should go without?

Those not paying in. If you want universal healthcare then you must have universal paying for it right? Not this shit you try to sell where one group pays and others don't. Fuck that. Let's all pay equally for the exact same benefits. No specialists because that would mean someone gets more benefit. No, we all get the same treatment. We just draw a line at what basic care should be and those that exceed that limit get to die... with dignity I believe is how the English court phrased it.

You want universal care then drop the bullshit about caring for people. You just want your shit payed for. How about you pony up and pay what everyone else has to. And if you fall outside that... there's always the dignified way out.

You're dismissing half of your population, to short brutal lives of drudge work for corporate masters, funded by fools like you, but you 'll stop short of paying for their healthcare.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Who should go without?

The universe healthcare that it is made for the Pharmaceuticals companies. To make sure that they get paid. The big epidemic of illnesses are increasing. And there is no way that the Federal government will be able to support those that cannot afford to pay for their own healthcare insurance. If the government goes bankrupt, then who will pay for them? The Dems are right about that millions will die. It is because they knows that it is the GMO foods that are causing the epidemic, but they are making sure that the corporations are making their money. But they has to hurry up and get them a healthcare plan that will work in order to sustained their lives for a while. But if everybody starts to drop dead, then they are afraid that there is going to be an investigation on what has caused this pandemic, unless they are able to get all of the countries to agree with them. But as this epidemic increases, not even any healthcare plan will work. Because there will too many sick people to take care of, and less healthy people to pay for the sick's medical treatments. Pretty soon that everybody that makes a living, that they will have to have three or four jobs to pay into the universal healthcare programs. And the Pharmaceutical companies are raising their meds real high, so that hwen the government orders them to lowers the prices on the meds, that they will just lower it by 1%. But they will be still making a killing off of the meds.


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The Bayer Monsanto merger is in clear violation of anti-trust law

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Who should go without?

Those not paying in. If you want universal healthcare then you must have universal paying for it right? Not this shit you try to sell where one group pays and others don't. Fuck that. Let's all pay equally for the exact same benefits. No specialists because that would mean someone gets more benefit. No, we all get the same treatment. We just draw a line at what basic care should be and those that exceed that limit get to die... with dignity I believe is how the English court phrased it.

You want universal care then drop the bullshit about caring for people. You just want your shit payed for. How about you pony up and pay what everyone else has to. And if you fall outside that... there's always the dignified way out.

You're dismissing half of your population, to short brutal lives of drudge work for corporate masters, funded by fools like you, but you 'll stop short of paying for their healthcare.

So you're telling me half the population shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. Let me guess, you fall in that half right? What about their food? Housing? Should they get that for free as well?

There's a name for having others pay for you to live off of their largesse. It's called slavery. You complain about the rich and corporations while failing to consider once you get government healthcare like you want, who owns those people?

Pushing for universal anything is the rich and corporations dream come true. They no longer have to deal with you. They just have to keep buying politicians.

When you limit people's choices you also force them to take whatever those paying the bill decide you can have. For example, you see me having steaks on the grill and decide to come over and make me feed you. Well you're not getting any steak. I will feed you but it's mac and cheese with some dog food as filler.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you're telling me half the population shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. Let me guess, you fall in that half right? What about their food? Housing? Should they get that for free as well?

They do in my neighborhood.

 

[DoctorinPA73]

I figured out exactly how to completely reform health care and actually have it cost less for all citizens

Ready?

Drumroll:

Forget about universal health care - simply create a Government run Pharmaceutical company using fair prices for all their products which will force Big Pharma like Merck to stop being so greedy and have competitive prices from then on for their products . Theres the solution the Obama Admin couldn't see- well nobody could. Big Pharma is too much of a monopoly .They need stiff competition. Then those Sobs wouldn't get insanely rich while forcing US citizens to pay for their badly needed medication.

I'm not saying it would be easy (and the GOP gets $$ from Big Pharma ) but think about it- If you were someone in the GOP sold this idea to the public- could you name 1 GOP senator and congressman who would oppose this idea? they would never get elected again if they opposed this idea. 95% of the country would be for it- upper middle and lower classes would love this idea.

This is the best( and ONLY ) solution to health care. Universal Health care could never work in the US. You cant have half the hard working country taking care of the lazy other half. Non sustainable business model.Too many people and illegals here.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The republican elected officials should be the ones who do without health care. Also, the religious Right (god will heal them).

But, seriously, NY, do you really want the RW people to reveal just how mean spirited they really are to the poor, elderly, and children? I find it downright depressing, myself.

Republicans should go without healthcare because the democrats passed a shit unsustainable law. You're an idiot.

 

[westwall]

Who should go without?

Universal healthcare is a GREAT idea. Now. How do we afford it?