Healthcare System is Rotten

[Harpy Eagle]

We need to get over the idea that we have a "health care system". We don't. Systems are for socialists. We have a health care market, and it's being polluted and distorted by those trying to make it a "system".

That is a bit over simplistic, but it makes a nice sound bite.

We are more system than market these days, and that will not change.

The Govt, be it Fed or State set the rules and regulations for medical care and hospitals.

The Fed Govt via Medicare is the single largest payer for health care services in the country. As such their reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals are what the insurance companies use to set their rates. This again is not going to change.

We have laws that force medical providers to give aid to those with life threatening conditions regardless of ability to pay. That would not happen in health care market. And that too will not change as "we the people" are not willing to see people just die to their economic situation.

 

[dblack]

That is a bit over simplistic, but it makes a nice sound bite.

We are more system than market these days, and that will not change.

Everything changes. The question is, do we want more "system" or more freedom.

We have laws that force medical providers to give aid to those with life threatening conditions regardless of ability to pay. That would not happen in health care market. And that too will not change as "we the people" are not willing to see people just die to their economic situation.

That's not what would happen. It's just statist fear mongering. According to the systemizers, we'd all suffocate in our own feces with out instructions from government. I'll take freedom over their scare tactics.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Everything changes. The question is, do we want more "system" or more freedom.

Based on voting and the general will of the people we want a system.

That's not what would happen. It's just statist fear mongering. According to the systemizers, we'd all suffocate in our own feces with out instructions from government. I'll take freedom over their scare tactics.

Why not? In a totally free market place giving away services is not normally done. Do grocery stores give a way food to anyone that walks in saying they are really hungry or motels give away rooms to help people not freeze during the winter? Nope, they do not. Why would the free medical market be any different?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Everything changes. The question is, do we want more "system" or more freedom.

That's not what would happen. It's just statist fear mongering. According to the systemizers, we'd all suffocate in our own feces with out instructions from government. I'll take freedom over their scare tactics.

What is the market solution to replace Medicare?

 

[dblack]

Based on voting and the general will of the people we want a system.

I don't necessary buy that, but I also don't want a government that blindly implements the "will of the people".

Why not? In a totally free market place giving away services is not normally done.

Not normally, but it happens. Charity happens. Community happens. It doesn't need to be mandated by government, and it shouldn't be.

Do grocery stores give a way food to anyone that walks in saying they are really hungry or motels give away rooms to help people not freeze during the winter?

Actually, sometimes, yeah. Not as much when there is the presumption that the government is going to do it for us. But it happens regardless.

 

[dblack]

What is the market solution to replace Medicare?

The market has no obligation to replace Medicare.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The market has no obligation to replace Medicare.

Which is why we will never not have a system.

66 million people would sudden lose all their health care....

 

[dblack]

Which is why we will never not have a system.

Getting rid of Medicare would not doom us. That's statist fear mongering. In any case, the question still remains: More "system", or less?

66 million people would sudden lose all their health care....

And die instantly in the streets! C'mon.

 

[boevans]

It could be better if MAGA would do the right things.

 

[Nobody911]

View of retired doctor with 50 years working in four fields of healthcare:

A Retired Physician's View of American Healthcare ⋆ Brownstone Institute

In my opinion, the healthcare system in this country is currently on life support. The level of trust is lower than it’s been in at least 50 years and deservedly so.

brownstone.org

Just looked at the US budget 2024. Why I should be surprised? Biden and the US Congress just focused on the Pentagon. Yes, national security( revolving door )always comes first. Make Pentagon great again! lol.

Source:
The Pentagon Ate Our Government | Antiwar.com Blog – The Pentagon Ate Our Government - Antiwar.com Blog

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Getting rid of Medicare would not doom us. That's statist fear mongering. In any case, the question still remains: More "system", or less?

And die instantly in the streets! C'mon.

There are 65 million people on Medicare. If it goes away, something would have to take it place to cover these 65 million people.

What would that be?

 

[dblack]

There are 65 million people on Medicare. If it goes away, something would have to take it place to cover these 65 million people.

What would that be?

I'm not sure why you're fixated on Medicare. It's as safety net program. A far cry from socializing health care in general, which is what so many "reformers" are after.

Again, more system, or more freedom? I'm sticking with the latter.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The US healthcare system is actually ranked along side third world countries -

Is the U.S. Like a Third World Nation?

Choosing between groceries and medicine.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[dblack]

The US healthcare system is actually ranked along side third world countries -

Is the U.S. Like a Third World Nation?

Choosing between groceries and medicine.

www.psychologytoday.com

Well, as I noted earlier, we don't really have a "healthcare system", so I suppose it would rank pretty low. So what?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Well, as I noted earlier, we don't really have a "healthcare system", so I suppose it would rank pretty low. So what?

When you find out that Lebanon, Botswana, and Bahrain beats US healthcare, you kinda gotta wonder what the heck you're paying for.

 

[dblack]

When you find out that Lebanon, Botswana, and Bahrain beats US healthcare, you kinda gotta wonder what the heck you're paying for.

That's not what those rankings are measuring. They're measuring who has the "best" socialized health care system. Given that ours is only partially socialized, it will rank low on such a list. So what?

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's not what those rankings are measuring. They're measuring who has the "best" socialized health care system. Given that ours is only partially socialized, it will rank low on such a list. So what?

It's shit.

 

[dblack]

It's shit.

Ok. We have the worst socialized health care system in the world! Since I oppose socialized health care, and can only mark that up as a good thing. We should just shit can it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That's not what those rankings are measuring. They're measuring who has the "best" socialized health care system. Given that ours is only partially socialized, it will rank low on such a list. So what?

That is not what they are measuring. They are measuring how effective the healthcare is and what level of access the general population have to said healthcare.

 

[boevans]

CC stuffs DB in the medical laundry basket for a thorough washing and cleaning.