If the president is not safe, no one is safe.

[Manonthestreet]

The president and first lady have tested positive for Covid-19; there is little doubt that no one is safe. We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering. It has an unnerving unnatural aspect to it. Did someone open a Pandora’s box?

Wouldn’t that be the real story? Why is the 600-pound gorilla in the room ignored? Does anyone have any idea what gain-of-function research is? Pathogens exist in nature, but the majority are random and fail to reach pandemic proportions because they lack the necessary connections to attach themselves to the mechanisms of cellular structure that are in place to defeat them with immune responses. What if bioresearch could use DNA technology to weave and combine special connecting abilities from other viruses into new viruses so they could circumvent nature?

What would happen if a Frankenstein scenario like this got out of hand? No need to wonder; it is happening right before our eyes. When the President of the United States is not safe, no one is safe. We are playing with fire on this issue because this is an election year in our country and partisans are using the intended or unintended release of crafted bioweapon research for political advantage while the economic destruction of our country unfolds like a slow rumbling wrecking ball.

Whether someone wears a mask or not has very little relevance in the way of protection because there is no effective physical barrier to contact or airborne plague that is on the march 24 hours a day in every corner of society. There are too many variables in the mix and the poison just lurks waiting for any lapse in human judgement which is inevitable.

Can we turn to science to save us? First we have to realize that science is what has attacked us. This is not just a national threat, it is a global threat and if the human species is going to survive there are certain ethical protocols that must be followed and this business about we have to do it because others are doing it will take us down.

What is Gain-of-Function Research & Who is at High Risk? – Alliance for Human Research Protection

ahrp.org

The NIH Gain-of-Function Research Decision Wasn’t Partisan | National Review

Scientists come down on both sides about whether the potential risks of gain-of-function research outweigh the potential benefits.

www.nationalreview.com

Why some labs work on making viruses deadlier — and why they should stop

The pandemic should make us question the value of gain-of-function research.

www.vox.com

Not true, I would bet there has been a concerted effort to infect him. Remember story of a Chinese press agent turned away from an event....can't remember what it was

 

[colfax_m]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

 

[Juicin]

But Trump claimed we did have data it worked and his supporters still believe it does despite the data showing the opposite.

You’re watering down Trump’s comments but it’s only half the story. His supporters clearly refuse to acknowledge that it just doesn’t work.

It does work. One Democrat state rep credited Trump for saving her life. She had Covid and was sliding downhill. In spite of her political party opposition to Trump, she felt dying was not an option to be loyal to the party. She insisted her doctors provide her with the treatment, and she said she noticed a huge difference within a few hours of the first treatment.

No one takes anecdotes like this seriously because this is not a scientific way to evaluate if a drug therapy works.

The scientific way is to do drug trials and those trials show no benefit. If Trump hadn’t hyped it up, none of y’all would be constantly trying to convince yourself otherwise.

You could say that about all the death rate data and everything else our whole response is predicated on

WHOOOOOOOSH

There is no replicatable science to back up a thing we've done about corona beyond wash your hands

 

[Dana7360]

For those claiming Trump got this because he did not wear a mask.

I thought the mask was for others, not you.

I cant understand your stupid fucking pretzel logic.

Trump wears none and is around people that don’t wear them. He’s a moron and may have killed himself along with 200,000 other Americans.

Trump is tested daily and nobody gets near him who are not tested. This is not to say that it's impossible for him to catch it as test results are never immediate, but he has a much less chance of it than you or I do.

You don’t watch the rallies I guess.

I guess that person doesn't realize that just distancing himself from his followers at his rallies isn't going to be enough. Obviously there wasn't any social distancing or masks for his staff at those rallies. We know secret service and others have tested positive for the virus after one of his rallies.

The way that trump has been holding his rallies, not following his own CDC guidelines for his own staff really created circumstances that were it wasn't a matter of IF trump got the virus but WHEN.

Just testing people around him obviously isn't enough. A person can be asymptomatic for days spreading the virus everywhere they go.

I believe trump was very irresponsible and selfish. He has put himself and many people in our government at risk. No responsible leader does this.

 

[Rigby5]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Actually, when the same mask is worn for several days without washing, it actually increases the spread.
That is because while masks do catch large droplets, the droplets dry out, and that causes masks to actually concentrate the virus and help spread it even more, in larger puffs.

 

[BlueGin]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

h

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Actually, when the same mask is worn for several days without washing, it actually increases the spread.
That is because while masks do catch large droplets, the droplets dry out, and that causes masks to actually concentrate the virus and help spread it even more, in larger puffs.

Not to mention it also creates mold, which you are also breathing into your lungs.

 

[Ray9]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

h

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Actually, when the same mask is worn for several days without washing, it actually increases the spread.
That is because while masks do catch large droplets, the droplets dry out, and that causes masks to actually concentrate the virus and help spread it even more, in larger puffs.

Not to mention it also creates mold, which you are also breathing into your lungs.

A reusable mask is essentially a facial diaper as I tried to point out in another thread.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Wrong again...

I know when it is an idiot who will not listen to facts and I refuse to waste my time with them.. The fact that you refuse to read the study tells me two things... 1, you cant understand the basic scientific concepts they used and... 2, You are a partisan hack who really doesn't care as you have your talking points and that is all you care about.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Actually, when the same mask is worn for several days without washing, it actually increases the spread.
That is because while masks do catch large droplets, the droplets dry out, and that causes masks to actually concentrate the virus and help spread it even more, in larger puffs.

BINGO... We have a winner....

The dried virus can live for about 24 hours and putting it back on allows your exhalation to blow these microscopic particles far and wide....

 

[colfax_m]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

www.axios.com

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

Masks Save Lives: Duke Study Confirms Which Ones Work Best | Hartford HealthCare | CT

Learn more about News Detail at hartfordhealthcare.org

hartfordhealthcare.org

Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Wrong again...

I know when it is an idiot who will not listen to facts and I refusre to waste my time with them..

Ha! Like I said. It would be trivially easy for you to provide a quote to your claim but your refuse because you lied.

Like I said earlier, you’ve made this claim many times but run away whenever it’s time to back it up.

You’re a liar and a bad one.

It would be so easy to prove me wrong if what you say is true. But you don’t.

 

[initforme]

The virus gets real really fast when a potus is affected. It is NOT to be taken lightly no matter what the age is. Hoping for a full recovery along with prayers.

 

[Gdjjr]

little ability to collectively pull together in a crisis, and have instead resorted to simplifying, politicizing and scapegoating.

Oh, I don't know- the left (collectivist) and the right (collectivist) pulled together- just in different (sometimes) directions.

That said, that should be expected in a Country of 300+miilion that have *diverstity* forced on them. Not only that, we're not all of one mind and some of us resist the one size fits all theology- never mind all the different ethnicities, religions and "laws" which are naturally divisive- and, "crisis" is bullshit- the real crisis is the human cost of not having a paycheck and NO amount of "pulling together" will change the incurred debt and so-called stimulus which helped the ones in least need, i.e., bankers and big business which can fix it's prices to insure "loans" are paid back- and guess who foots that bill?

 

[Nostra]

Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus

Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Face masks will no longer be required for White House staff

The White House required masks for staff members in May after multiple people tested positive for the coronavirus.

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Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?

Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.

Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.

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Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.

Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.

Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.

Vapor is not the same as droplets.

You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?

Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.

Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..

I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.

That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

Provide the quote from the paper that says it.

Why dont you go read it....

Poof.

And he’s gone. Disappeared. Never to be seen in this thread again.

Wrong again...

I know when it is an idiot who will not listen to facts and I refuse to waste my time with them.. The fact that you refuse to read the study tells me two things... 1, you cant understand the basic scientific concepts they used and... 2, You are a partisan hack who really doesn't care as you have your talking points and that is all you care about.

Both.

 

[Gdjjr]

Wow....really?

Yeah, really.

 

[j-mac]

The president and first lady have tested positive for Covid-19; there is little doubt that no one is safe. We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering. It has an unnerving unnatural aspect to it. Did someone open a Pandora’s box?

Wouldn’t that be the real story? Why is the 600-pound gorilla in the room ignored? Does anyone have any idea what gain-of-function research is? Pathogens exist in nature, but the majority are random and fail to reach pandemic proportions because they lack the necessary connections to attach themselves to the mechanisms of cellular structure that are in place to defeat them with immune responses. What if bioresearch could use DNA technology to weave and combine special connecting abilities from other viruses into new viruses so they could circumvent nature?

What would happen if a Frankenstein scenario like this got out of hand? No need to wonder; it is happening right before our eyes. When the President of the United States is not safe, no one is safe. We are playing with fire on this issue because this is an election year in our country and partisans are using the intended or unintended release of a crafted bioweapon for political advantage while the economic destruction of our country unfolds like a slow rumbling wrecking ball.

Whether someone wears a mask or not has very little relevance in the way of protection because there is no effective physical barrier to contact or airborne plague that is on the march 24 hours a day in every corner of society. There are too many variables in the mix and the poison just lurks waiting for any lapse in human judgement which is inevitable.

Can we turn to science to save us? First we have to realize that science is what has attacked us. This is not just a national threat, it is a global threat and if the human species is going to survive there are certain ethical protocols that must be followed and this business about we have to do it because others are doing it will take us down.

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The President and 1st Lady caught the virus.....AND?

The average person doesn't nearly come into contact with as many people as the President and his wife. Joe Biden doesn't hardly come into contact with anyone because he does little else than hide in his basement. So it is no surprise that he and the 1st Lady has finally gotten it.

There are millions of Americans walking around with it with no symptoms.

There is a high chance almost everyone is going to catch it at some point...unless you live a life like the famous 'Bubble Boy' ... or stay constantly in your basement.

There is no need for fear-mongering.

The President caught the virus because Donald Trump is a stupid ass. And his old fat ass is very high risk. He kept insisting on holding rallies and fundraisers, and he doesn't wear a mask. When you ignore the scientists on a daily basis, you put yourself at risk.

But I'm not going to pray for his recovery or wish him well. I wish him KARMA. No one deserves it more.

Simply pathetic....You don't know what you are talking about....And you're such a crappy person, you can't wish the President well....What a child you are.

 

[j-mac]

For those claiming Trump got this because he did not wear a mask.

I thought the mask was for others, not you.

I cant understand your stupid fucking pretzel logic.

Trump wears none and is around people that don’t wear them. He’s a moron and may have killed himself along with 200,000 other Americans.

Trump is tested daily and nobody gets near him who are not tested. This is not to say that it's impossible for him to catch it as test results are never immediate, but he has a much less chance of it than you or I do.

You don’t watch the rallies I guess.

I guess that person doesn't realize that just distancing himself from his followers at his rallies isn't going to be enough. Obviously there wasn't any social distancing or masks for his staff at those rallies. We know secret service and others have tested positive for the virus after one of his rallies.

The way that trump has been holding his rallies, not following his own CDC guidelines for his own staff really created circumstances that were it wasn't a matter of IF trump got the virus but WHEN.

Just testing people around him obviously isn't enough. A person can be asymptomatic for days spreading the virus everywhere they go.

I believe trump was very irresponsible and selfish. He has put himself and many people in our government at risk. No responsible leader does this.

And another pathetic response...Clearly, you're just mad that he campaigned, while Chicken shit Biden was cowering in his basement.

 

[Dragonlady]

The president and first lady have tested positive for Covid-19; there is little doubt that no one is safe. We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering. It has an unnerving unnatural aspect to it. Did someone open a Pandora’s box?

Wouldn’t that be the real story? Why is the 600-pound gorilla in the room ignored? Does anyone have any idea what gain-of-function research is? Pathogens exist in nature, but the majority are random and fail to reach pandemic proportions because they lack the necessary connections to attach themselves to the mechanisms of cellular structure that are in place to defeat them with immune responses. What if bioresearch could use DNA technology to weave and combine special connecting abilities from other viruses into new viruses so they could circumvent nature?

What would happen if a Frankenstein scenario like this got out of hand? No need to wonder; it is happening right before our eyes. When the President of the United States is not safe, no one is safe. We are playing with fire on this issue because this is an election year in our country and partisans are using the intended or unintended release of a crafted bioweapon for political advantage while the economic destruction of our country unfolds like a slow rumbling wrecking ball.

Whether someone wears a mask or not has very little relevance in the way of protection because there is no effective physical barrier to contact or airborne plague that is on the march 24 hours a day in every corner of society. There are too many variables in the mix and the poison just lurks waiting for any lapse in human judgement which is inevitable.

Can we turn to science to save us? First we have to realize that science is what has attacked us. This is not just a national threat, it is a global threat and if the human species is going to survive there are certain ethical protocols that must be followed and this business about we have to do it because others are doing it will take us down.

gain of function research – Qwant Search

The 1st European search engine that respects your privacy.

www.qwant.com

The President and 1st Lady caught the virus.....AND?

The average person doesn't nearly come into contact with as many people as the President and his wife. Joe Biden doesn't hardly come into contact with anyone because he does little else than hide in his basement. So it is no surprise that he and the 1st Lady has finally gotten it.

There are millions of Americans walking around with it with no symptoms.

There is a high chance almost everyone is going to catch it at some point...unless you live a life like the famous 'Bubble Boy' ... or stay constantly in your basement.

There is no need for fear-mongering.

The President caught the virus because Donald Trump is a stupid ass. And his old fat ass is very high risk. He kept insisting on holding rallies and fundraisers, and he doesn't wear a mask. When you ignore the scientists on a daily basis, you put yourself at risk.

But I'm not going to pray for his recovery or wish him well. I wish him KARMA. No one deserves it more.

Simply pathetic....You don't know what you are talking about....And you're such a crappy person, you can't wish the President well....What a child you are.

I have many friend who have lost loved ones, but the reason I want the President to get really sick, is because he needs to change his ways, and deal with this virus.

Since Trump is so stupid he needs to hit over the head with a 2 by 4 to make an impression, maybe if gets really fucking sick, he'll stop playing politics with the virus and actually put some policies in place to stop the spread of the virus.

If Trump had half a brain, or was an even slightly decent person, who hadn't killed 210,000 Americans with his botched response to the illness, we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

 

[Nostra]

The president and first lady have tested positive for Covid-19; there is little doubt that no one is safe. We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering. It has an unnerving unnatural aspect to it. Did someone open a Pandora’s box?

Wouldn’t that be the real story? Why is the 600-pound gorilla in the room ignored? Does anyone have any idea what gain-of-function research is? Pathogens exist in nature, but the majority are random and fail to reach pandemic proportions because they lack the necessary connections to attach themselves to the mechanisms of cellular structure that are in place to defeat them with immune responses. What if bioresearch could use DNA technology to weave and combine special connecting abilities from other viruses into new viruses so they could circumvent nature?

What would happen if a Frankenstein scenario like this got out of hand? No need to wonder; it is happening right before our eyes. When the President of the United States is not safe, no one is safe. We are playing with fire on this issue because this is an election year in our country and partisans are using the intended or unintended release of a crafted bioweapon for political advantage while the economic destruction of our country unfolds like a slow rumbling wrecking ball.

Whether someone wears a mask or not has very little relevance in the way of protection because there is no effective physical barrier to contact or airborne plague that is on the march 24 hours a day in every corner of society. There are too many variables in the mix and the poison just lurks waiting for any lapse in human judgement which is inevitable.

Can we turn to science to save us? First we have to realize that science is what has attacked us. This is not just a national threat, it is a global threat and if the human species is going to survive there are certain ethical protocols that must be followed and this business about we have to do it because others are doing it will take us down.

gain of function research – Qwant Search

The 1st European search engine that respects your privacy.

www.qwant.com

The President and 1st Lady caught the virus.....AND?

The average person doesn't nearly come into contact with as many people as the President and his wife. Joe Biden doesn't hardly come into contact with anyone because he does little else than hide in his basement. So it is no surprise that he and the 1st Lady has finally gotten it.

There are millions of Americans walking around with it with no symptoms.

There is a high chance almost everyone is going to catch it at some point...unless you live a life like the famous 'Bubble Boy' ... or stay constantly in your basement.

There is no need for fear-mongering.

The President caught the virus because Donald Trump is a stupid ass. And his old fat ass is very high risk. He kept insisting on holding rallies and fundraisers, and he doesn't wear a mask. When you ignore the scientists on a daily basis, you put yourself at risk.

But I'm not going to pray for his recovery or wish him well. I wish him KARMA. No one deserves it more.

Simply pathetic....You don't know what you are talking about....And you're such a crappy person, you can't wish the President well....What a child you are.

I have many friend who have lost loved ones, but the reason I want the President to get really sick, is because he needs to change his ways, and deal with this virus.

Since Trump is so stupid he needs to hit over the head with a 2 by 4 to make an impression, maybe if gets really fucking sick, he'll stop playing politics with the virus and actually put some policies in place to stop the spread of the virus.

If Trump had half a brain, or was an even slightly decent person, who hadn't killed 210,000 Americans with his botched response to the illness, we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

You really are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering

We're talking about the American left, right?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The president and first lady have tested positive for Covid-19; there is little doubt that no one is safe. We are in a state of attack from a foe that comes disguised like a Trojan Horse. It makes every friend an enemy. It hides in apparently innocuous places and delivers itself covertly via the overt tendencies of its targets to gather in groups. It is the ultimate superweapon and it appears to have the footprint of human engineering. It has an unnerving unnatural aspect to it. Did someone open a Pandora’s box?

Wouldn’t that be the real story? Why is the 600-pound gorilla in the room ignored? Does anyone have any idea what gain-of-function research is? Pathogens exist in nature, but the majority are random and fail to reach pandemic proportions because they lack the necessary connections to attach themselves to the mechanisms of cellular structure that are in place to defeat them with immune responses. What if bioresearch could use DNA technology to weave and combine special connecting abilities from other viruses into new viruses so they could circumvent nature?

What would happen if a Frankenstein scenario like this got out of hand? No need to wonder; it is happening right before our eyes. When the President of the United States is not safe, no one is safe. We are playing with fire on this issue because this is an election year in our country and partisans are using the intended or unintended release of a crafted bioweapon for political advantage while the economic destruction of our country unfolds like a slow rumbling wrecking ball.

Whether someone wears a mask or not has very little relevance in the way of protection because there is no effective physical barrier to contact or airborne plague that is on the march 24 hours a day in every corner of society. There are too many variables in the mix and the poison just lurks waiting for any lapse in human judgement which is inevitable.

Can we turn to science to save us? First we have to realize that science is what has attacked us. This is not just a national threat, it is a global threat and if the human species is going to survive there are certain ethical protocols that must be followed and this business about we have to do it because others are doing it will take us down.

gain of function research – Qwant Search

The 1st European search engine that respects your privacy.

www.qwant.com

The President and 1st Lady caught the virus.....AND?

The average person doesn't nearly come into contact with as many people as the President and his wife. Joe Biden doesn't hardly come into contact with anyone because he does little else than hide in his basement. So it is no surprise that he and the 1st Lady has finally gotten it.

There are millions of Americans walking around with it with no symptoms.

There is a high chance almost everyone is going to catch it at some point...unless you live a life like the famous 'Bubble Boy' ... or stay constantly in your basement.

There is no need for fear-mongering.

The President caught the virus because Donald Trump is a stupid ass. And his old fat ass is very high risk. He kept insisting on holding rallies and fundraisers, and he doesn't wear a mask. When you ignore the scientists on a daily basis, you put yourself at risk.

But I'm not going to pray for his recovery or wish him well. I wish him KARMA. No one deserves it more.

Simply pathetic....You don't know what you are talking about....And you're such a crappy person, you can't wish the President well....What a child you are.

I have many friend who have lost loved ones, but the reason I want the President to get really sick, is because he needs to change his ways, and deal with this virus.

Since Trump is so stupid he needs to hit over the head with a 2 by 4 to make an impression, maybe if gets really fucking sick, he'll stop playing politics with the virus and actually put some policies in place to stop the spread of the virus.

If Trump had half a brain, or was an even slightly decent person, who hadn't killed 210,000 Americans with his botched response to the illness, we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

The second most vile woman on this board.