If the president is not safe, no one is safe.

OK. trump violated a lawful legal order. Supported by statute or constitutional authority, and enforceable by law enforcement.

But it wasn't a law or statute.
You finally admit you are a liar. About time.
Actually I looked up the legal definitions, and executive orders are classed under "law"
It's "statutes" that are passed by legislatures, which are a subset of laws.

So i'll just simplify it and return to violating the governors executive order, was a violation of "LAW"
 
For folks who ignorantly whine that mitigation like masks and quarantine don't work, just show them the NY curve and say have a nice day. You can't fix stupid.
SLOWING is not containing... It is making the number of infections fewer but over a longer period of time.... Everyone is going to get this bug... Full Stop!
 
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For folks who ignorantly whine that mitigation like masks and quarantine don't work, just show them the NY curve and say have a nice day. You can't fix stupid.
SLOWING is not containing... It is making the number of infections fewer but over a longer period of time.... Everyone is going to get this bug... Full Stop!

You know that makes no sense. Lowering the number of infections eliminates future infections, not delays them.
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
 
Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Incorrect:

Masks are at best 30% effective ON DROPLET TRANSMISSION. And it only stops the droplets that are large in size from the infected individual. They are useless at stopping the virus in the person who inhales as the air goes around the mask and is unfiltered or the mesh is so large that it passes through.

However, it does nothing to stop a virus that can live 12-24 hours in the air, in a dry environments, such as an air conditioned building. This virus is but 0.1 microns in size when dry and your mask will do nothing to stop it.
You’ve stated this multiple times but when asked for data to support it, you always disappear.

So let’s see your data.

At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus,

 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
 
And in the near future the US line will plummet and NY will flatten and remain much longer than the rest of the nation. You may have fewer infection now but it will plague you for months to come while everyone else is free to do as they want.
Fewer infections because mitigation clearly works - it's empirical. Nothing your arguments over air bubbles can do about it, the curve didn't shrink itself, mitigation did. Not magic.
 
OK. trump violated a lawful legal order. Supported by statute or constitutional authority, and enforceable by law enforcement.

But it wasn't a law or statute.
You finally admit you are a liar. About time.
Actually I looked up the legal definitions, and executive orders are classed under "law"
It's "statutes" that are passed by legislatures, which are a subset of laws.

So i'll just simplify it and return to violating the governors executive order, was a violation of "LAW"
Well, I provided a link clearly explaining why EOs are not laws.

You provided..............ZIPPO.

:dig: :dig: :dig:
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
 
And in the near future the US line will plummet and NY will flatten and remain much longer than the rest of the nation. You may have fewer infection now but it will plague you for months to come while everyone else is free to do as they want.
Fewer infections because mitigation clearly works - it's empirical. Nothing your arguments over air bubbles can do about it, the curve didn't shrink itself, mitigation did. Not magic.
Your failing to see that your fewer infections now means it will be a problem much longer than the rest of the nation in the future... Its a trade off... Most states understand that 99.8% of the people will not have a major problem with getting this infection and are willing to get it over with so that they are not having to deal with it when the flu becomes a problem.

So I guess you have to evaluate what is important to you... What do you want to deal with... COVID and then the Flu or COVID and the Flu..... Its alreaady to late for NY to make that decision, they get to deal with both this year.
 
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In March, we shut down for 2 weeks to FLATTEN THE CURVE, because were all going to get the virus and we didnt want to overwhelm the medical system.

Somewhere along the way, idiocy took over and we decided that a positive test was a death sentence.

I blame Democrats and complicit media.
A positive test doesn't even mean you are sick.

They are reporting he has “mild symptoms”.

It might be bad news for disgusting liberals who want him to die.
Most people have mild to no symptoms.
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...

According to the results of this study, we make the following recommendations:

  • 1.
    Although masks will reduce droplet transmission, we should not ignore that several droplets will be transmitted away from the mask. The use of a mask will not provide complete prevention from airborne droplet transmission. The above is particularly important for both indoor and outdoor environments. As Dbouk and Drikakis3 showed, respiratory droplets can be transmitted to several meters away from the subject due to wind conditions. Therefore, social distancing remains essential when facing an evolving pandemic.
  • 2.
    The above recommendation implies that we can protect healthcare workers only if we equip them with a complete PPE, e.g., a helmet with a built-in air filter, a face shield together with a disposable suit over the whole ensemble, and a double set of gloves.
  • 3.
    The manufacturers and regulatory authorities should consider new criteria for assessing mask performance to account for the flow physics and cough dynamics. We provided a simple criterion that takes into account efficiency reduction during a cyclic coughing incident.

In fact they suggest a level A protective suit with positive pressures and full face mask....
 
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Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...
Provide the quote from the paper that says it.
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...
Provide the quote from the paper that says it.
Why hasn't the CDC approved masks for the prevention of the Kung Flu?
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...
Provide the quote from the paper that says it.
Why dont you go read it....
 
Actually I looked up the legal definitions, and executive orders are classed under "law"


So i'll just simplify it and return to violating the governors executive order, was a violation of "LAW"
Well, I provided a link clearly explaining why EOs are not laws.

You provided..............ZIPPO.
You provided no such link. Nothing you posted excluded executive orders from the body of "laws"

So here's the definition

How do you define a law?

(1) : a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed (see prescribe sense) or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority. (2) : the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules The courts exist to uphold, interpret, and apply the law


Did you see the part about: or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority.

BTW:
A governor is a controlling authority.
 
Dems: Hey, let’s all follow the guidelines to prevent the spread of COVID.
Reps: No! We don’t want to wear masks because reasons.

Trump gets virus
Masks aren’t very effective when they aren’t worn.

Masks don’t help when it can enter through your eyes or from you touching your face or mouth.

Lots to correct here but masks prevent contagious people from spreading virus laden droplets. They may prevent some inhalation. Ocular infections are hypothesized and at worst far less likely than inhaling viral particles and also reduce frequency of touching your mouth.

Nothing is 100%, but combining several factors to reduce spread results in a substantial improvement.

Why did masks become so political?
Per the CDC ‘s own findings. Only 2% of air flow is blocked by a surgical or cloth mask. The rest escapes through the fabric or out the sides ( which is obvious since if you wear any type of glasses they will fog when wearing mask). And since the virus is airborne the virus can enter through your eyes.

Masks offer little protection.
Masks aren’t intended to stop airflow. If they did, it would prevent you from breathing, not a good thing. Masks are intended to prevent droplets which carry virus particles which they do at up to 90% efficiency.
Vapor escapes via your breath. As does the droplets from the vapor. And again...Per the CDC most of this escapes the mask via the sides and through the cloth. Not to mention a damp mask being touched by your hands and transferred to surfaces.
Yes, droplets of water escape from your breath. No, it does not escape via the sides of the cloth.

I showed you data that contradicts your statement. Show me your supposed CDC study.
Go put your cloth mask on and wear glasses. If your glasses fog up as you are breathing that means vapor is escaping the mask. If vapor is escaping you are not protecting anyone. It’s not rocket science.
Vapor is not the same as droplets.
You still do not grasp the physics of this....

Do you know what the "phase change" is in this process of becoming vapor?
Sure, but the significance of this does not appear to be substantial.
Read the study.... If you think you can grasp the fluid dynamics and viral transmission within it..
I did. It demonstrates substantial efficacy of masks, even if it is mostly a computer model rather than real world data.
That paper identifies that MEDICAL masks are less than 30% effective and cloth is less than 2% effective.. Keep dreaming...
Provide the quote from the paper that says it.
Why dont you go read it....
I did. Your quoted percentages of efficacy do not appear.

If they did, it would be trivially easy for you to copy/paste the language. Instead, I predict you are going to attack me personally, claim it truly is in the article and refuse to provide the language that says so.
 
Actually I looked up the legal definitions, and executive orders are classed under "law"


So i'll just simplify it and return to violating the governors executive order, was a violation of "LAW"
Well, I provided a link clearly explaining why EOs are not laws.

You provided..............ZIPPO.
You provided no such link. Nothing you posted excluded executive orders from the body of "laws"

So here's the definition

How do you define a law?

(1) : a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed (see prescribe sense) or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority. (2) : the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules The courts exist to uphold, interpret, and apply the law


Did you see the part about: or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority.

BTW:
A governor is a controlling authority.
You provided no such link.

Yes, I did.

Don't throw your back out twisting yourself into that pretzel trying to save face because your lies were exposed. :itsok:
 

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