If Germany and Japan had some strategy like the Allies did

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    The cohesian between the 2 was practically non-existent.

    Believe there was some sort of small joint effort by the Germans and Japanese off the South American coast.

    Maybe Hitler didn't consider the Japanese Aryans.

    They would have lost anyway even if they had been more united.
     
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    Hitler's plan was to let the Japs and wops help conquer the world then exterminate them
     
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    Japan's strategy was to take such a toll on America that a negotiated peace would occur and Japan would end up with much of the the former colonies of Britain and France. She would then have her natural resources.
     
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    That was Japans own strategy.

    Just like Germany had their own strategy.

    But they never meshed their strategies together.

    In fact - Germany didnt even learn about Pearl Harbor until after the fact.

    And Japan never did declare war on the Soviet Union even after Hitler invaded them.
     
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    Communist spies in the USA and Japan set the 2 counties on a collision course. The USA and Japan had no real strategic reason to fight other than the Soviets needed to have it happen. Japan beat the shit out of the Russians the last time they crossed swords.

    In December 1941, the Soviets were losing so badly the Wehrmacht had the spires of the Kremlin in their field glasses. The last thing Uncle Joe needed was for Japan to declare war on their natural enemy, the USSR

    I give the Soviet spies in Japan and in the FDR Administration full absolute credit for a brilliant operation.
     
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    Of course they did.
     
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    The Japanese and the Russians had two minor military engagements along the Manchurian border in the late 30's. Each time the Russkies handed the Japanese their behinds back to them after cleanly separating them from the rest of their bodies. The Japanese, as a consequence, primarily focused on the wealth and oil resources of the Indies at the time and remained so for the rest of the war.
    The question that arises is that if the Russians were able to handle the Japanese so easily in Manchuria, how did the Japanese push the Brits and the Americans aside so handily in the early going?
    Perhaps it had to a lot to do with Western military planning?
    Churchill made the statement after the fall of Singapore that to have thought of "Singapore with no defenses at its back door was as unthinkable as a battleship with no bottom."
     
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    I was thinking more about the Russo- Japan War and not the engagements in the 30's

    The USSR was in dire straights in December 1941 so the Japanese attack on the US and not the USSR came as a welcome relief to "Uncle Joe"

    Again, you have to credit USSR spies for do a phenomenal geo-political job is puttign the US and Japan on a collision course
     
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    That was bound to happen anyway.
     
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    In this day of GPS and observational satellites, its hard to comprehend how and why so little communication took place between the Fascist Allies. They were separated geographically by some significant obstacles, first and foremost, while they had the upper hand and things were going well individually for them, and when things finally went South, the Western Democracies had more or less total control of the oceans.
    Japanese Foreign Minister Shigomitzu's Secretary, standing on the Surrender Deck of the Missouri the day of the signing, remarked, after noting the size of the ship and the sheer number of men gathered around the ceremony, that he wondered "How Japan could have ever possibly conceived of conquering an enemy of this magnitude?"
    Japan started the war with between 6 to 12 carriers. America had 3 to 4. 48 American carriers sailed into the waters around Okinawa the days before April 1st, 1945.
     
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