IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent

[hboats]

The real question here is why does Truthdoesn'tmatter insist on not letting the voter registrations be cleaned up.

Why do you insist on letting convicted felons vote?

Why do you insist on letting registered voters who are deceased have a fraudulent vote?

Why do you insist on letting people bus the elderly to voting locations to have them fill out their ballots for them?

What's wrong with making sure that only registered voters who are actually not felons and are still alive vote?

Why the resistance to cleaning up the voter registrations?

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

Every time you have to go somewhere to stand in line and pay to get something there will be fewer people who can get a ride or find the time.

It is born out in every study.

Lets also remember every study into the type of voter fraud it is said to prevent have proven to be nonexsistant.


If you support ID laws you support fewer democrats voting period, just like this republican leader,

Do you ever stop lying?

Immie

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

 

[DiveCon]

Every time you have to go somewhere to stand in line and pay to get something there will be fewer people who can get a ride or find the time.

It is born out in every study.

Lets also remember every study into the type of voter fraud it is said to prevent have proven to be nonexsistant.


If you support ID laws you support fewer democrats voting period, just like this republican leader,

Do you ever stop lying?

Immie

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

you haven't posted any studies
moron

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

VoteTrustUSA - New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws

What the hell does race/age have to do with access to a photo ID? Sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.

 

[Immanuel]

The Cost of a GOP Myth

There is absolutely no FACT in this. It is an OPINION piece.

I posted FACTS that voter fraud happened in 2008 in the Minnesota election. Why can't you accept FACTS?

Rick

In her opinion, since it is slandering the GOP, it is thereby all fact.

Immie

 

[hboats]

Every time you have to go somewhere to stand in line and pay to get something there will be fewer people who can get a ride or find the time.

It is born out in every study.

Lets also remember every study into the type of voter fraud it is said to prevent have proven to be nonexsistant.


If you support ID laws you support fewer democrats voting period, just like this republican leader,

Do you ever stop lying?

Immie

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

Why do you keep insisting that there have been all of these "studies" done when it's been proven that is a lie. There has been a survey done by a group that is anti ID laws, and all of the rest have been citing this survey. It's been pointed out to you more than once in this thread. Yet you continue to lie.

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

Politics of Voter Fraud Final

 

[Truthmatters]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1


WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.



Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

 

[DiveCon]

Politics of Voter Fraud Final

ROFLMAO
project vote

 

[DiveCon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1


WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.



Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

thats mostly because it is hard to prove without proper voter ID
something YOU oppose

 

[hboats]

Politics of Voter Fraud Final

Once again, an OPINION with not a bit of FACT. And it also is from the very same source as your last OPINION link. Project Vote. Can't you differentiate between the same thing that you yourself have already posted.

This is verging on spam.

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/documents/Indiana_voter.pdf





http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-02-19-voter-id-study_x.htm

 

[Immanuel]

Every time you have to go somewhere to stand in line and pay to get something there will be fewer people who can get a ride or find the time.

It is born out in every study.

Lets also remember every study into the type of voter fraud it is said to prevent have proven to be nonexsistant.


If you support ID laws you support fewer democrats voting period, just like this republican leader,

Do you ever stop lying?

Immie

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

You have not answered my questions yet, bitch, why should I answer yours?

But, I am not the cowardly Obama whore that you are, so I will answer your question.

As pointed out above, the ETI link you posted states that there are a large number of people who do not have driver's licenses. However, they ignore the fact that the vast majority of those people have to have some kind of a photo id. Thereby eliminating the lie you are attempting to put across the internet that these people have no photo id.

Whether or not there is fraud, is not the question. Laws are written to prevent future crimes not past crimes.

It did not used to be a crime not to have health insurance. However, your god wrote a law that has made it a crime (punishable by a servere fine) to be uninsured starting in 2014. You are bitching about a minor cost of providing photo ids to the few that may not have one, yet you promote the humongous burden HCR will put on the country and the taxpayers.

You are simply an idiot.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Do you ever stop lying?

Immie

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

Why do you keep insisting that there have been all of these "studies" done when it's been proven that is a lie. There has been a survey done by a group that is anti ID laws, and all of the rest have been citing this survey. It's been pointed out to you more than once in this thread. Yet you continue to lie.

Rick

I guarantee that she will continue to post that these are studies 7 years from now and she will swear up and down that she was proven right.

Immie

 

[Annie]

VoteTrustUSA - New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws

More circular fallacies.

Watch for it, Brennan Center, the first 'study' cited, which in fact was a survery, cites the next survey, calls it a study...

Read for yourselves, from TM's FACT FILLED link:

New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws
By Brennan Center Press Release
November 14, 2007
New Study Finds African Americans, Lowe-Income Voters, Students, and Seniors Least Likely to Have Valid Voter ID at Issue Before Supreme Court

First Quantitative Look at Impact of Indiana's Voter ID Law Comes on Day Voting Rights Groups File Amicus Briefs Challenging Law

Citing new evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, lawyers at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law and a coalition of voting rights organizations filed a friend-of-the-court brief today urging the U.S. Supreme Court to scuttle the Indiana law. The brief is one of more than 20 amicus briefs being filed today by voting rights advocates, current and former Secretaries of State, law professors, historians, political scientists, student organizations, labor unions and civic, religious and civil rights organizations. A full list of amici and a summary of their briefs is available here.

The Brennan Center's brief comes as new research, also released today, from the University of Washington Institute on for the Study of Ethnicity and Race is providing the first direct evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, especially African-American and low-income voters as well as senior citizens and students. Note: Having the word STUDY in the title, doesn't make the results of a study...

"The state of Indiana has the most stringent voter identification law in the country. This study makes clear that their law - rather than preventing fraud - is actually disenfranchising substantial numbers of Indiana voters," said Michael Waldman, the Brennan Center's executive director.

The Washington Institute Study

In October 2007, researchers fielded a statewide telephone survey of Indiana registered voters. The sample included a random statewide component and oversamples of African-American and low-income populations. The two oversamples were targeted based on population patterns at the census tract level. A second sample of non-registered voting age Indiana citizens was done by random digit dialing. The study encompassed responses from interviews with 1,000 registered voters and 500 interviews among non-registered adults.

The results were clear and striking. As the researchers wrote in their report, "In short we find strong statistical differences with respect to access to valid photo identification that significantly reduces the opportunity to vote for minority, low-income, less-educated, and young and old residents of Indiana."

Among the key findings:

21.8% of black Indiana voters do not have access to a valid photo ID (compared to 15.8% of white Indiana voters - a 6 point gap).
When non-registered eligible voter responses are included - the gap widens. 28.3% of eligible black voters in the State of Indiana to not have valid photo ID (compared to 16.8% of eligible voting age white Indiana residents - a gap of 11.5 percent).
The study found what it termed "a curvilinear pattern (similar to an upside down U-curve)" in the relationship between age and access to valid ID - younger voters and older voters were both less likely to have valid ID compared to voters in the middle categories. 22% of voters 18-34 did not have ID, nor did 19.4% over the age of 70. (compared to 16.2% of Indiana voters age 35-54 without valid ID and 14.1% for 55-69 year olds).
21% of Indiana registered voters with only a high school diploma did not have valid ID (compared to 11.5% of Indiana voters who have completed college - a gap of 9.5%).
Those with valid ID are much more likely to be Republicans than those who do not have valid ID. Among registered voters with proper ID, 41.6% are registered Republicans, 32.5% are Democrats.
The Amicus Brief

The Brennan Center, writing on behalf of itself, political science professor Lorraine Minnite, and three non-partisan voting rights organizations (Demos, Project Vote, and the People for the American Way Foundation), called on the Supreme Court to look at the facts about purported instances of voter-impersonation fraud and the impact Indiana's voter identification law is having on disenfranchising eligible voters.

"Proponents of Indiana's law claim it's needed to combat an epidemic of voter fraud, but not a single person in Indiana history has ever been accused of voter impersonation," said Justin Levitt, counsel at the Brennan Center and author of the new monograph The Truth About Voter Fraud.

"Unfortunately, that's typical. For too long the debate over voter fraud and voter identification has been driven by mistruths, half-truths and outright falsehoods often propagated by people trying to rig the rules of the game for political advantage," said Renee Paradis, Counsel at the Brennan Center and a co-author of the brief.

In their friend-of-the-court brief, the Brennan Center examines the falsehoods used to justify Indiana's law and systematically examines each instance of purported voter fraud described by the Court of Appeals as justification for Indiana's law.

The brief debunks purported instances of voter impersonation fraud in Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri and Wisconsin relied on by the Court of Appeals to uphold the law in Indiana and argues that "there is no more evidence that polling-place impersonation fraud is a problem outside Indiana than there is in Indiana."

"For years this has been a debate long on sensational allegations and short on facts," said Wendy Weiser, Deputy Director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Project and one of the author's of today's brief. "Well, there are finally facts and they suggest that the Indiana law has nothing to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with suppressing the vote of minority and low-income voters, students and seniors, with a substantial partisan skew," said Weiser.

More information and a full rundown of all briefs in this case is available here.

 

[Truthmatters]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

 

[Annie]

why would you be against all the studies that have been done on the issue?

What fraud will you be stopping if all the studies say this type of fraud does not even exsist?

Why do you keep insisting that there have been all of these "studies" done when it's been proven that is a lie. There has been a survey done by a group that is anti ID laws, and all of the rest have been citing this survey. It's been pointed out to you more than once in this thread. Yet you continue to lie.

Rick

I guarantee that she will continue to post that these are studies 7 years from now and she will swear up and down that she was proven right.

Immie

Indeed, she doesn't know the differences between studies and surveys. No help for that. Reminds me of her 'LEGAL DOCUMENTS' nonsense of a week or so ago. Truly Immie, watch the BP.

 

[VaYank5150]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

How about just knocking voters off the roles who refuse to prove their identity? How many, do you suspect, could find a way to get a Photo ID if theyt had to show it to collect their lottery prize winnings?

 

[AllieBaba]

Because every study has found that the type of voter fraud claimed that this is designed to prevent doesnt exsist.

The studies have also concluded that it will (just like this republican leader says) keep a certain percent of democratic voters from the polls.

Why should this country spend BILLIONS of dollars implementing a program that protects nothing and keeps legal voters from voting?

Liar.

 

[manu1959]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

How about just knocking voters off the roles who refuse to prove their identity?

can't ask people for their papers...it is racist....