IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent

[Soggy in NOLA]

Don't waste your time.... TrutherMatters has no problem wit multi TRILLION $$ Obamacare that at the end of the day makes us worse off, yet an ID card becomes its "celebrated cause" and cites findings that claims minorities for some reason can't get their prictures taken like whitey can.

Exactly... I bet people have no problem getting an ID card if there's a few bucks hanging on it.

Fucking moron.

 

[hboats]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

Who told you these were studies? It's been pointed out to you by many posters now that these are not studies, but are surveys by a biased group. And proof has been given to back it up.

But in your infinite wisdom (or lack of) you continue to insist that these are studies.

Why did you skip answering my questions that were posted? And why do you keep skipping Immie's questions? Why can't you just answer the questions that people ask you, and stop with the lies?

Rick

 

[DiveCon]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

no, there are SURVEYS

moron

 

[Truthmatters]

Go get you guys proof that this is an issue in American elections.

there is no proof that the type of fraud you claim exsists.

 

[DiveCon]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

Who told you these were studies? It's been pointed out to you by many posters now that these are not studies, but are surveys by a biased group. And proof has been given to back it up.

But in your infinite wisdom (or lack of) you continue to insist that these are studies.

Why did you skip answering my questions that were posted? And why do you keep skipping Immie's questions? Why can't you just answer the questions that people ask you, and stop with the lies?

Rick

well, they put "study" in the title
so that clearly changes a survey to a study magically ya know

 

[manu1959]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

show you id and you won't be knocked off the rolls.....you know the same id you need to show to cash a check.....get you weed.....your food stamps....your welfare check....your free health care.....that id....

 

[Truthmatters]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

Who told you these were studies? It's been pointed out to you by many posters now that these are not studies, but are surveys by a biased group. And proof has been given to back it up.

But in your infinite wisdom (or lack of) you continue to insist that these are studies.

Why did you skip answering my questions that were posted? And why do you keep skipping Immie's questions? Why can't you just answer the questions that people ask you, and stop with the lies?

Rick

And saying they were not studies is a lie.

A survey of voters to see who has IDs is a study you moron. Now go look at the other links I provided that are indeed studies instead of repeating other peoples lies.

 

[DiveCon]

Go get you guys proof that this is an issue in American elections.

there is no proof that the type of fraud you claim exsists.

how many times does it take to get through your massively thick skull that until you have proper ID for voting you can NOT tell who is and who isnt a fraudulent voter?

 

[hboats]

Go get you guys proof that this is an issue in American elections.

there is no proof that the type of fraud you claim exsists.

28 felon voters in Minnesota in one county alone proves you wrong.

The proof has been posted, yet you refuse to see it.

Just like the proof that blows your "studies" that are actually just surveys from a biased group out of the water.

Yet you refuse to take the blinders off.

Rick

 

[Truthmatters]

VoteTrustUSA - New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws

More circular fallacies.

Watch for it, Brennan Center, the first 'study' cited, which in fact was a survery, cites the next survey, calls it a study...

Read for yourselves, from TM's FACT FILLED link:

New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws
By Brennan Center Press Release
November 14, 2007
New Study Finds African Americans, Lowe-Income Voters, Students, and Seniors Least Likely to Have Valid Voter ID at Issue Before Supreme Court

First Quantitative Look at Impact of Indiana's Voter ID Law Comes on Day Voting Rights Groups File Amicus Briefs Challenging Law

Citing new evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, lawyers at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law and a coalition of voting rights organizations filed a friend-of-the-court brief today urging the U.S. Supreme Court to scuttle the Indiana law. The brief is one of more than 20 amicus briefs being filed today by voting rights advocates, current and former Secretaries of State, law professors, historians, political scientists, student organizations, labor unions and civic, religious and civil rights organizations. A full list of amici and a summary of their briefs is available here.

The Brennan Center's brief comes as new research, also released today, from the University of Washington Institute on for the Study of Ethnicity and Race is providing the first direct evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, especially African-American and low-income voters as well as senior citizens and students. Note: Having the word STUDY in the title, doesn't make the results of a study...

"The state of Indiana has the most stringent voter identification law in the country. This study makes clear that their law - rather than preventing fraud - is actually disenfranchising substantial numbers of Indiana voters," said Michael Waldman, the Brennan Center's executive director.

The Washington Institute Study

In October 2007, researchers fielded a statewide telephone survey of Indiana registered voters. The sample included a random statewide component and oversamples of African-American and low-income populations. The two oversamples were targeted based on population patterns at the census tract level. A second sample of non-registered voting age Indiana citizens was done by random digit dialing. The study encompassed responses from interviews with 1,000 registered voters and 500 interviews among non-registered adults.

The results were clear and striking. As the researchers wrote in their report, "In short we find strong statistical differences with respect to access to valid photo identification that significantly reduces the opportunity to vote for minority, low-income, less-educated, and young and old residents of Indiana."

Among the key findings:

21.8% of black Indiana voters do not have access to a valid photo ID (compared to 15.8% of white Indiana voters - a 6 point gap).
When non-registered eligible voter responses are included - the gap widens. 28.3% of eligible black voters in the State of Indiana to not have valid photo ID (compared to 16.8% of eligible voting age white Indiana residents - a gap of 11.5 percent).
The study found what it termed "a curvilinear pattern (similar to an upside down U-curve)" in the relationship between age and access to valid ID - younger voters and older voters were both less likely to have valid ID compared to voters in the middle categories. 22% of voters 18-34 did not have ID, nor did 19.4% over the age of 70. (compared to 16.2% of Indiana voters age 35-54 without valid ID and 14.1% for 55-69 year olds).
21% of Indiana registered voters with only a high school diploma did not have valid ID (compared to 11.5% of Indiana voters who have completed college - a gap of 9.5%).
Those with valid ID are much more likely to be Republicans than those who do not have valid ID. Among registered voters with proper ID, 41.6% are registered Republicans, 32.5% are Democrats.
The Amicus Brief

The Brennan Center, writing on behalf of itself, political science professor Lorraine Minnite, and three non-partisan voting rights organizations (Demos, Project Vote, and the People for the American Way Foundation), called on the Supreme Court to look at the facts about purported instances of voter-impersonation fraud and the impact Indiana's voter identification law is having on disenfranchising eligible voters.

"Proponents of Indiana's law claim it's needed to combat an epidemic of voter fraud, but not a single person in Indiana history has ever been accused of voter impersonation," said Justin Levitt, counsel at the Brennan Center and author of the new monograph The Truth About Voter Fraud.

"Unfortunately, that's typical. For too long the debate over voter fraud and voter identification has been driven by mistruths, half-truths and outright falsehoods often propagated by people trying to rig the rules of the game for political advantage," said Renee Paradis, Counsel at the Brennan Center and a co-author of the brief.

In their friend-of-the-court brief, the Brennan Center examines the falsehoods used to justify Indiana's law and systematically examines each instance of purported voter fraud described by the Court of Appeals as justification for Indiana's law.

The brief debunks purported instances of voter impersonation fraud in Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri and Wisconsin relied on by the Court of Appeals to uphold the law in Indiana and argues that "there is no more evidence that polling-place impersonation fraud is a problem outside Indiana than there is in Indiana."

"For years this has been a debate long on sensational allegations and short on facts," said Wendy Weiser, Deputy Director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Project and one of the author's of today's brief. "Well, there are finally facts and they suggest that the Indiana law has nothing to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with suppressing the vote of minority and low-income voters, students and seniors, with a substantial partisan skew," said Weiser.

More information and a full rundown of all briefs in this case is available here.

Isnt this an infraction of the rules here for copyright?

 

[DiveCon]

VoteTrustUSA - New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws

More circular fallacies.

Watch for it, Brennan Center, the first 'study' cited, which in fact was a survery, cites the next survey, calls it a study...

Read for yourselves, from TM's FACT FILLED link:

New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws
By Brennan Center Press Release
November 14, 2007
New Study Finds African Americans, Lowe-Income Voters, Students, and Seniors Least Likely to Have Valid Voter ID at Issue Before Supreme Court

First Quantitative Look at Impact of Indiana's Voter ID Law Comes on Day Voting Rights Groups File Amicus Briefs Challenging Law

Citing new evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, lawyers at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law and a coalition of voting rights organizations filed a friend-of-the-court brief today urging the U.S. Supreme Court to scuttle the Indiana law. The brief is one of more than 20 amicus briefs being filed today by voting rights advocates, current and former Secretaries of State, law professors, historians, political scientists, student organizations, labor unions and civic, religious and civil rights organizations. A full list of amici and a summary of their briefs is available here.

The Brennan Center's brief comes as new research, also released today, from the University of Washington Institute on for the Study of Ethnicity and Race is providing the first direct evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, especially African-American and low-income voters as well as senior citizens and students. Note: Having the word STUDY in the title, doesn't make the results of a study...

"The state of Indiana has the most stringent voter identification law in the country. This study makes clear that their law - rather than preventing fraud - is actually disenfranchising substantial numbers of Indiana voters," said Michael Waldman, the Brennan Center's executive director.

The Washington Institute Study

In October 2007, researchers fielded a statewide telephone survey of Indiana registered voters. The sample included a random statewide component and oversamples of African-American and low-income populations. The two oversamples were targeted based on population patterns at the census tract level. A second sample of non-registered voting age Indiana citizens was done by random digit dialing. The study encompassed responses from interviews with 1,000 registered voters and 500 interviews among non-registered adults.

The results were clear and striking. As the researchers wrote in their report, "In short we find strong statistical differences with respect to access to valid photo identification that significantly reduces the opportunity to vote for minority, low-income, less-educated, and young and old residents of Indiana."

Among the key findings:

21.8% of black Indiana voters do not have access to a valid photo ID (compared to 15.8% of white Indiana voters - a 6 point gap).
When non-registered eligible voter responses are included - the gap widens. 28.3% of eligible black voters in the State of Indiana to not have valid photo ID (compared to 16.8% of eligible voting age white Indiana residents - a gap of 11.5 percent).
The study found what it termed "a curvilinear pattern (similar to an upside down U-curve)" in the relationship between age and access to valid ID - younger voters and older voters were both less likely to have valid ID compared to voters in the middle categories. 22% of voters 18-34 did not have ID, nor did 19.4% over the age of 70. (compared to 16.2% of Indiana voters age 35-54 without valid ID and 14.1% for 55-69 year olds).
21% of Indiana registered voters with only a high school diploma did not have valid ID (compared to 11.5% of Indiana voters who have completed college - a gap of 9.5%).
Those with valid ID are much more likely to be Republicans than those who do not have valid ID. Among registered voters with proper ID, 41.6% are registered Republicans, 32.5% are Democrats.
The Amicus Brief

The Brennan Center, writing on behalf of itself, political science professor Lorraine Minnite, and three non-partisan voting rights organizations (Demos, Project Vote, and the People for the American Way Foundation), called on the Supreme Court to look at the facts about purported instances of voter-impersonation fraud and the impact Indiana's voter identification law is having on disenfranchising eligible voters.

"Proponents of Indiana's law claim it's needed to combat an epidemic of voter fraud, but not a single person in Indiana history has ever been accused of voter impersonation," said Justin Levitt, counsel at the Brennan Center and author of the new monograph The Truth About Voter Fraud.

"Unfortunately, that's typical. For too long the debate over voter fraud and voter identification has been driven by mistruths, half-truths and outright falsehoods often propagated by people trying to rig the rules of the game for political advantage," said Renee Paradis, Counsel at the Brennan Center and a co-author of the brief.

In their friend-of-the-court brief, the Brennan Center examines the falsehoods used to justify Indiana's law and systematically examines each instance of purported voter fraud described by the Court of Appeals as justification for Indiana's law.

The brief debunks purported instances of voter impersonation fraud in Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri and Wisconsin relied on by the Court of Appeals to uphold the law in Indiana and argues that "there is no more evidence that polling-place impersonation fraud is a problem outside Indiana than there is in Indiana."

"For years this has been a debate long on sensational allegations and short on facts," said Wendy Weiser, Deputy Director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Project and one of the author's of today's brief. "Well, there are finally facts and they suggest that the Indiana law has nothing to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with suppressing the vote of minority and low-income voters, students and seniors, with a substantial partisan skew," said Weiser.

More information and a full rundown of all briefs in this case is available here.

Isnt this an infraction of the rules here for copyright?

no
she has the link quoted in your post

 

[hboats]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

Who told you these were studies? It's been pointed out to you by many posters now that these are not studies, but are surveys by a biased group. And proof has been given to back it up.

But in your infinite wisdom (or lack of) you continue to insist that these are studies.

Why did you skip answering my questions that were posted? And why do you keep skipping Immie's questions? Why can't you just answer the questions that people ask you, and stop with the lies?

Rick

And saying they were not studies is a lie.

A survey of voters to see who has IDs is a study you moron. Now go look at the other links I provided that are indeed studies instead of repeating other peoples lies.

No, a survey of voters is just that, a SURVEY. Calling it a study does not actually make it turn into a study.

I guess we can take that "study" that is on MSN right now that says that 95% of Americans are against the Obama administration's suing of Arizona and call it FACT now because it's a survey of Americans and therefore is a "study" and therefore is proven fact. According to your logic anyway.

Rick

 

[Annie]

VoteTrustUSA - New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws

More circular fallacies.

Watch for it, Brennan Center, the first 'study' cited, which in fact was a survery, cites the next survey, calls it a study...

Read for yourselves, from TM's FACT FILLED link:

New Study Examines Impact of Voter ID Laws
By Brennan Center Press Release
November 14, 2007
New Study Finds African Americans, Lowe-Income Voters, Students, and Seniors Least Likely to Have Valid Voter ID at Issue Before Supreme Court

First Quantitative Look at Impact of Indiana's Voter ID Law Comes on Day Voting Rights Groups File Amicus Briefs Challenging Law

Citing new evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, lawyers at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law and a coalition of voting rights organizations filed a friend-of-the-court brief today urging the U.S. Supreme Court to scuttle the Indiana law. The brief is one of more than 20 amicus briefs being filed today by voting rights advocates, current and former Secretaries of State, law professors, historians, political scientists, student organizations, labor unions and civic, religious and civil rights organizations. A full list of amici and a summary of their briefs is available here.

The Brennan Center's brief comes as new research, also released today, from the University of Washington Institute on for the Study of Ethnicity and Race is providing the first direct evidence that Indiana's voter identification law is disenfranchising thousands of Indiana voters, especially African-American and low-income voters as well as senior citizens and students. Note: Having the word STUDY in the title, doesn't make the results of a study...

"The state of Indiana has the most stringent voter identification law in the country. This study makes clear that their law - rather than preventing fraud - is actually disenfranchising substantial numbers of Indiana voters," said Michael Waldman, the Brennan Center's executive director.

The Washington Institute Study

In October 2007, researchers fielded a statewide telephone survey of Indiana registered voters. The sample included a random statewide component and oversamples of African-American and low-income populations. The two oversamples were targeted based on population patterns at the census tract level. A second sample of non-registered voting age Indiana citizens was done by random digit dialing. The study encompassed responses from interviews with 1,000 registered voters and 500 interviews among non-registered adults.

The results were clear and striking. As the researchers wrote in their report, "In short we find strong statistical differences with respect to access to valid photo identification that significantly reduces the opportunity to vote for minority, low-income, less-educated, and young and old residents of Indiana."

Among the key findings:

21.8% of black Indiana voters do not have access to a valid photo ID (compared to 15.8% of white Indiana voters - a 6 point gap).
When non-registered eligible voter responses are included - the gap widens. 28.3% of eligible black voters in the State of Indiana to not have valid photo ID (compared to 16.8% of eligible voting age white Indiana residents - a gap of 11.5 percent).
The study found what it termed "a curvilinear pattern (similar to an upside down U-curve)" in the relationship between age and access to valid ID - younger voters and older voters were both less likely to have valid ID compared to voters in the middle categories. 22% of voters 18-34 did not have ID, nor did 19.4% over the age of 70. (compared to 16.2% of Indiana voters age 35-54 without valid ID and 14.1% for 55-69 year olds).
21% of Indiana registered voters with only a high school diploma did not have valid ID (compared to 11.5% of Indiana voters who have completed college - a gap of 9.5%).
Those with valid ID are much more likely to be Republicans than those who do not have valid ID. Among registered voters with proper ID, 41.6% are registered Republicans, 32.5% are Democrats.
The Amicus Brief

The Brennan Center, writing on behalf of itself, political science professor Lorraine Minnite, and three non-partisan voting rights organizations (Demos, Project Vote, and the People for the American Way Foundation), called on the Supreme Court to look at the facts about purported instances of voter-impersonation fraud and the impact Indiana's voter identification law is having on disenfranchising eligible voters.

"Proponents of Indiana's law claim it's needed to combat an epidemic of voter fraud, but not a single person in Indiana history has ever been accused of voter impersonation," said Justin Levitt, counsel at the Brennan Center and author of the new monograph The Truth About Voter Fraud.

"Unfortunately, that's typical. For too long the debate over voter fraud and voter identification has been driven by mistruths, half-truths and outright falsehoods often propagated by people trying to rig the rules of the game for political advantage," said Renee Paradis, Counsel at the Brennan Center and a co-author of the brief.

In their friend-of-the-court brief, the Brennan Center examines the falsehoods used to justify Indiana's law and systematically examines each instance of purported voter fraud described by the Court of Appeals as justification for Indiana's law.

The brief debunks purported instances of voter impersonation fraud in Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri and Wisconsin relied on by the Court of Appeals to uphold the law in Indiana and argues that "there is no more evidence that polling-place impersonation fraud is a problem outside Indiana than there is in Indiana."

"For years this has been a debate long on sensational allegations and short on facts," said Wendy Weiser, Deputy Director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Project and one of the author's of today's brief. "Well, there are finally facts and they suggest that the Indiana law has nothing to do with preventing voter fraud and everything to do with suppressing the vote of minority and low-income voters, students and seniors, with a substantial partisan skew," said Weiser.

More information and a full rundown of all briefs in this case is available here.

Isnt this an infraction of the rules here for copyright?

Probably. A mod can edit. Just thought it would be nice to have a break for everyone to read your drivel, and point out the error of your insane ramblings.

 

[Truthmatters]

Go get you guys proof that this is an issue in American elections.

there is no proof that the type of fraud you claim exsists.

28 felon voters in Minnesota in one county alone proves you wrong.

The proof has been posted, yet you refuse to see it.

Just like the proof that blows your "studies" that are actually just surveys from a biased group out of the water.

Yet you refuse to take the blinders off.

Rick

So even though you dont know the evidence you claim they will be convicted?

please go get the court documents that have you so convinced of guilt.

I gave you the court doccuments that convinced me of guilt, return the favor

 

[Annie]

So now they are studies?

A minute ago you people were saying I posted no studies.

Now go get me the studies that show this problem is rampent and justifies knocking voters off the rolls to secure elections?

Who told you these were studies? It's been pointed out to you by many posters now that these are not studies, but are surveys by a biased group. And proof has been given to back it up.

But in your infinite wisdom (or lack of) you continue to insist that these are studies.

Why did you skip answering my questions that were posted? And why do you keep skipping Immie's questions? Why can't you just answer the questions that people ask you, and stop with the lies?

Rick

And saying they were not studies is a lie.

A survey of voters to see who has IDs is a study you moron. Now go look at the other links I provided that are indeed studies instead of repeating other peoples lies.

No twit. Surveys may well be used in a study, but are certainly not studies. One day of phone calls or even a month of phone calls or even a million years of phone calls does not make a study.

Made clear in that long c & p piece even YOU should be able to see that both acknowledge a bias in results wanted. Note in neither can one find the questions asked? First major hint it's NOT a STUDY.

 

[hboats]

The real question here is why does Truthdoesn'tmatter insist on not letting the voter registrations be cleaned up.

Why do you insist on letting convicted felons vote?

Why do you insist on letting registered voters who are deceased have a fraudulent vote?

Why do you insist on letting people bus the elderly to voting locations to have them fill out their ballots for them?

What's wrong with making sure that only registered voters who are actually not felons and are still alive vote?

Why the resistance to cleaning up the voter registrations?

Rick

Why can't you answer the above questions Truthdoesn'tmatter?

Why can't you answer Immie's questions?

Why do you just keep posting the same survey over and over and calling it a "study?"

Why do you keep spamming links that all cite the same "Project Vote" opinion piece?

Answer the questions, actually discuss something for a change instead of spamming the board.

Rick

 

[Immanuel]

Politics of Voter Fraud Final

Geeez,

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

According to the "key findings" section of this link it says 24 people (and that was just in three years!) were convicted or plead guilty to voter fraud, yet you claim it doesn't happen and therefore photo id's are not necessary.

Let me tell you, if there is one instance of voter fraud, we should do whatever we can to stop it. I don't care whether it is Democrat or Republican. Voter fraud affects the integrity of our voting system and must be stopped.

Your report... by the way, it is a report not a study and it is opinion laced with some facts... claims that this is insignificant. That is her opinion to which she is entitled. Not everyone shares that opinion. It is a well written report, but once again, this is her opinion and that is all it is. Not that you will ever admit that.

She also notes that there are a lot of false accusations of voter fraud... this is where your lies come in when you indicate that the RNC is guilty of voter fraud without proof.

Immie

 

[hboats]

Go get you guys proof that this is an issue in American elections.

there is no proof that the type of fraud you claim exsists.

28 felon voters in Minnesota in one county alone proves you wrong.

The proof has been posted, yet you refuse to see it.

Just like the proof that blows your "studies" that are actually just surveys from a biased group out of the water.

Yet you refuse to take the blinders off.

Rick

So even though you dont know the evidence you claim they will be convicted?

please go get the court documents that have you so convinced of guilt.

I gave you the court doccuments that convinced me of guilt, return the favor

I know you're not able to keep up, but I already explained to you that charges were just filed this week. The only "court documents" are the charges that were filed, and they were linked to.

The only problem with the "court documents that convinced you of guilt" is that there was NO FINDING OF GUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were ALLEGATIONS made and the ALLEGATIONS were dropped. It's good to know that you are so easily "convinced of guilt." But the rest of us need EVIDENCE not ALLEGATIONS.

So, the charges that I have linked to are just as much proof as your "court documents" that show ALLEGATIONS without any finding of guilt.

Rick

 

[Immanuel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1


WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.



Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

Wow, here again, I thought you said voter fraud did not happen at all.

Immie

 

[DiveCon]

Politics of Voter Fraud Final

Geeez,

You just proved yourself to be a liar.

According to the "key findings" section of this link it says 24 people (and that was just in three years!) were convicted or plead guilty to voter fraud, yet you claim it doesn't happen and therefore photo id's are not necessary.

Let me tell you, if there is one instance of voter fraud, we should do whatever we can to stop it. I don't care whether it is Democrat or Republican. Voter fraud affects the integrity of our voting system and must be stopped.

Your report... by the way, it is a report not a study and it is opinion laced with some facts... claims that this is insignificant. That is her opinion to which she is entitled. Not everyone shares that opinion. It is a well written report, but once again, this is her opinion and that is all it is. Not that you will ever admit that.

She also notes that there are a lot of false accusations of voter fraud... this is where your lies come in when you indicate that the RNC is guilty of voter fraud without proof.

Immie

and you can bet that if they caught 24 of doing it, there were a lot more that didnt get caught