I Have A Question For Republicans

[sealybobo]

People who got those loans had jobs at the time.

You're correct - they did. But they had bad credit history and their jobs didn't pay enough for the amount of the home loan they were requesting. The banks would have normally denied them, but thanks to the Dumbocrats 1997 Community Re-Investement Act, they were incentivized to make really risky and reckless loans. So they did. And the rest is history. It's what happens with socialism and government intervention in the free market.

Yea, we made them give loans to people who on paper couldn't prove they could pay them.

I do recall banks giving loans to people with no credit though. It was how drug dealers were able to buy drug houses. No proof of ID loans??? It was shady. But Democrats didn't make them give out shaky loans.

Remember those bankers would be OK if those loans went bad. They get the house back. The problem was Bush's great recession that bled 700,000 jobs a month. People forget how bad things were.

Republicans want us to forgive and forget the great recession they caused.

But no ones buying it. It's why trump whooped jeb and all the other real republicans

 

[JoeNormal]

The difference between winning and losing as you call it is too stark. Yes there need to be a reward for 'winning' but it's becoming all or nothing. That starkness will intensify further unless there's either a willful change of course or a violent revolution.

EDIT: I would further contend that the most lucrative endeavors have little or no positive effect on society.

^^^^this folks is the liberal mind in action. Everyone deserves a trophy, all profits should be shared with society equally, no one should ever lose or come in second.

this clown, like most liberals, is jealous of successful people and wants the government to find ways to punish them for their success--------------unless of course the successful person is a fellow liberal like the Clintons, Whoopi, Oprah, Beyoncé, Sarandon, Clooney, etc. Because they spout liberal propaganda they get to keep their wealth.

Once again, the liberals on this board prove that liberalism is a mental disease that prevents logical rational thinking.

No, not everyone deserves a trophy but everyone who works hard should not have to choose between food and medical care either.

You sound like a retiree (crotchety and senile) who has yours and don't give a fuck if anybody else gets theirs. Pathetic.

yes, I am retired, but neither crotchety or senile. I worked for everything I have, and worked damn hard and long hours and many weeks with no weekends. I paid the maximum into social security every year that I worked. I put 20% or more in a 401K every year, and some years that meant foregoing vacations and new cars, etc. But it has paid off. I earned my retirement.

No one in the USA today has to choose between food and medical care--------that is just left wing bullshit. No one in the USA is refused medical care today, and no one was refused medical care before obozocare. NO ONE, even those here illegally.

If you want a better standard of living stop bitching and get your ass to work. Find a second job, get some training, impress your boss. Take responsibility for your life and stop crying to momma government.

I'm one of a rapidly shrinking upper middle class who is doing just fine. However, if it were up to the upper management of the company I work for, my job would be in India now. Fortunately for me and the other engineers there, their efforts turned into a disaster and it became obvious that wasn't going to happen.

I can assure you that the young people who are now struggling in the workforce are an order of magnitude more capable than you in most ways but the ruthless turn that the corporate world has taken has made their long term success very tenuous.

You and Trump are saying exactly the same thing. Democrat policies would increase the job migration out of this country.

It's much less about Democrat policies than it is about the nasty and ultra-aggressive turn that corporations and Wall Street have taken in the last few decades. Of course any party that promotes policies like TPP and such is worthy of contempt but that includes both Dems and Rethugs.

 

[edthecynic]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

June 21, 2016
RUSH: The bankers were doing what the Democrat presidents and the Democrat Party and the Washington establishment wanted them to do. The bankers were forced to implement policies to secure votes from low-income people. That's all the subprime mortgage was. It was another rigmarole trick to convince the low-income crowd that the Democrats are looking out for 'em. Bill Clinton had a name for this plan. Every American in his own home or the American home or the middle-American DREAM Act or whatever the hell they called it, based on the premise American dream was owning a home.

President Bush Signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003

President Bush Signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003
Remarks by the President at Signing of the American Dream Downpayment Act


THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. Thank you for coming. Thanks for the warm welcome. It's great to be back at the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This is not my first time here, nor will it be my last. (Applause.) I am here today because we are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to owning a home. Our government is supporting homeownership because it is good for America, it is good for our families, it is good for our economy.

During the signing ceremony of S. 811, The American Dream Downpayment Act, President George W. Bush delivers remarks at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in Washington, D.C., Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. "One of the biggest hurdles to homeownership is getting money for a down payment," said President Bush. "This administration has recognized that, and so today I'm honored to be here to sign a law that will help many low-income buyers to overcome that hurdle, and to achieve an important part of the American Dream." White House photo by Paul Morse One of the biggest hurdles to homeownership is getting money for a down payment. This administration has recognized that, and so today I'm honored to be here to sign a law that will help many low-income buyers to overcome that hurdle, and to achieve an important part of the American Dream.

This administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country. And this is a good time for the American homeowner.

The rate of homeownership amongst minorities is below 50 percent. And that's not right, and this country needs to do something about it. We need to -- (applause.) We need to close the minority homeownership gap in America so more citizens have the satisfaction and mobility that comes from owning your own home, from owning a piece of the future of America.

Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we're making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. (Applause.) And there's more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.

Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment, but are unable to make the down payment. So this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals, and at the same time, strengthen our communities.

And there's more to do, as well. We'll continue to pursue a broad agenda to help people own a home.

 

[Redfish]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

June 21, 2016
RUSH: The bankers were doing what the Democrat presidents and the Democrat Party and the Washington establishment wanted them to do. The bankers were forced to implement policies to secure votes from low-income people. That's all the subprime mortgage was. It was another rigmarole trick to convince the low-income crowd that the Democrats are looking out for 'em. Bill Clinton had a name for this plan. Every American in his own home or the American home or the middle-American DREAM Act or whatever the hell they called it, based on the premise American dream was owning a home.

President Bush Signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003

President Bush Signs American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003
Remarks by the President at Signing of the American Dream Downpayment Act


THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. Thank you for coming. Thanks for the warm welcome. It's great to be back at the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This is not my first time here, nor will it be my last. (Applause.) I am here today because we are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to owning a home. Our government is supporting homeownership because it is good for America, it is good for our families, it is good for our economy.

During the signing ceremony of S. 811, The American Dream Downpayment Act, President George W. Bush delivers remarks at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in Washington, D.C., Tuesday, Dec. 16, 2003. "One of the biggest hurdles to homeownership is getting money for a down payment," said President Bush. "This administration has recognized that, and so today I'm honored to be here to sign a law that will help many low-income buyers to overcome that hurdle, and to achieve an important part of the American Dream." White House photo by Paul Morse One of the biggest hurdles to homeownership is getting money for a down payment. This administration has recognized that, and so today I'm honored to be here to sign a law that will help many low-income buyers to overcome that hurdle, and to achieve an important part of the American Dream.

This administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country. And this is a good time for the American homeowner.

The rate of homeownership amongst minorities is below 50 percent. And that's not right, and this country needs to do something about it. We need to -- (applause.) We need to close the minority homeownership gap in America so more citizens have the satisfaction and mobility that comes from owning your own home, from owning a piece of the future of America.

Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we're making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. (Applause.) And there's more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.

Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment, but are unable to make the down payment. So this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals, and at the same time, strengthen our communities.

And there's more to do, as well. We'll continue to pursue a broad agenda to help people own a home.

liberalism is wrong no matter which party is pushing it. Why do you libs think that we support everything that Bush did?

 

[P@triot]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

 

[Katzndogz]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

No he didn't, it's been proven time and time again. Stop bothering me with this nonsense and get informed

Then Republicans lied to give the rich tax breaks. Finally you're being honest

Tax breaks can't be given to the poor who don't pay taxes anyway.

 

[edthecynic]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

 

[Freewill]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

Maybe the American Dream act was a huge mistake, who was in power to change it in 2007 or 8? Yeppers, the democrats. They didn't cause they wanted the economy to fail.

 

[edthecynic]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

No he didn't, it's been proven time and time again. Stop bothering me with this nonsense and get informed

Then Republicans lied to give the rich tax breaks. Finally you're being honest

Tax breaks can't be given to the poor who don't pay taxes anyway.

Except the poor pay payroll taxes and it was the SS surplus, a payroll tax, that was used to justify a tax cut. Instead of rebating the payroll tax surplus back to payroll tax payers at payroll tax rates, Bush redistributed most of the taxes collected from incomes under $100,000 to the wealthy making over $100,000 and to capital gains tycoons who are exempt from paying payroll taxes. That kind of redistribution of wealth the Right has no problem with!!!!!

 

[edthecynic]

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

Maybe the American Dream act was a huge mistake, who was in power to change it in 2007 or 8? Yeppers, the democrats. They didn't cause they wanted the economy to fail.

Wait just a minute there Slick, the GOP control both Houses of Congress and they claim that they are powerless to make changes as long as they don't control the presidency. Again we see the Right try to have it both ways!!!!

 

[Freewill]

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

Maybe the American Dream act was a huge mistake, who was in power to change it in 2007 or 8? Yeppers, the democrats. They didn't cause they wanted the economy to fail.

Wait just a minute there Slick, the GOP control both Houses of Congress and they claim that they are powerless to make changes as long as they don't control the presidency. Again we see the Right try to have it both ways!!!!

Sigh, 2007 and 2008 the idiots controlled congress.

110th United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The One Hundred Tenth United States Congress was the meeting of the legislative branch of the United States federal government, between January 3, 2007, and January 3, 2009, during the last two years of the second term of President George W. Bush. It was composed of the Senate and the House of Representatives. Theapportionment of seats in the House was based on the 2000 U.S. census.

The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senatorscaucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes. No Democratic-held seats had fallen to the Republican Party in the 2006 elections.[2] Democrat Nancy Pelosibecame the first woman Speaker of the House.[3] The House also received the firstMuslim (Keith Ellison)[4][5] and Buddhist (Hank Johnson and Mazie Hirono)[6]members of Congress.

 

[edthecynic]

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

Maybe the American Dream act was a huge mistake, who was in power to change it in 2007 or 8? Yeppers, the democrats. They didn't cause they wanted the economy to fail.

Wait just a minute there Slick, the GOP control both Houses of Congress and they claim that they are powerless to make changes as long as they don't control the presidency. Again we see the Right try to have it both ways!!!!

Sigh, 2007 and 2008 the idiots controlled congress.

Sigh, the GOP have controlled the House since 2010 and the Senate since 2014 and are NOW claiming that they have no control to make any changes without control of the presidency, but you say that the Dems had complete control to make changes while they didn't control the presidency in 2007 and 2008.
Again it is one standard for Dems and another for the GOP.
Get it?????

 

[P@triot]

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

And there will always be Republican's in government. Thank you once again for proving my point. Your assistance makes it so much easier for me!

By the way chief - it's not conservatives who preach the Coward & Piven strategy - it's the dirt-bag liberals that engage in that shit. And while Cloward & Piven were teaching their strategy to collapse the U.S. economy at Columbia guess who just happened to be attending? You go it....none other than Barry Sorento himself. And of course, it's one huge coincidence that he just "happens" to run up an earth-shattering $10 trillion in debt while he is in office.

 

[Wyatt earp]

my post and your question:

"
Money controls everything. anyone who denies that is a fool.

You sounded religious in the previous post. What would Jesus think about that?"

Jesus would think that I was being truthful about our society as it is today. He would not condone the love and power of money, nor do I.

Our society is degrading and will continue to degrade unless we return to God and his teachings. I am not advocating a state religion, just the opposite. People of all religions should practice the teachings and guidelines of right and wrong in accordance with their religion. I think even atheists have some idea of what is right and what is wrong.

I'm not an atheist but I have found greater moral integrity among their ranks than I have with most religious people. I would hope that anyone who sees the direction that unbridled capitalism is taking us would rail against it in any way they can.

what you call unbridled capitalism made this country the most successful in the history of the world. Yes, there are winners and losers. That's life, deal with it. Everyone does not deserve a trophy.

The difference between winning and losing as you call it is too stark. Yes there need to be a reward for 'winning' but it's becoming all or nothing. That starkness will intensify further unless there's either a willful change of course or a violent revolution.

EDIT: I would further contend that the most lucrative endeavors have little or no positive effect on society.

^^^^this folks is the liberal mind in action. Everyone deserves a trophy, all profits should be shared with society equally, no one should ever lose or come in second.

this clown, like most liberals, is jealous of successful people and wants the government to find ways to punish them for their success--------------unless of course the successful person is a fellow liberal like the Clintons, Whoopi, Oprah, Beyoncé, Sarandon, Clooney, etc. Because they spout liberal propaganda they get to keep their wealth.

Once again, the liberals on this board prove that liberalism is a mental disease that prevents logical rational thinking.

No, not everyone deserves a trophy but everyone who works hard should not have to choose between food and medical care either.

You sound like a retiree (crotchety and senile) who has yours and don't give a fuck if anybody else gets theirs. Pathetic.

Hey shit for brains they don't have that option anymore to choose between food and medical

Obama demands you pay for medical before you can eat.


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[P@triot]

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

So there was no law passed when the Dems took over the Congress in 2007 that caused the BUSH Housing Crash, so you then move the goalposts and parrot the lies of your MessiahRushie, even though the CRA had nothing to do with the Bush Housing Crash.

BTW it was BUSH not Clinton who made loans available to borrowers with bad credit. Also, the American Dream Act was BUSH's Dec 2003 bill to put every American in his own home! All your MessiahRushie did was substitute Clinton for Bush's American Dream act and you were stupid enough to swallow it without question.

All you're doing is proving my point. Government intervention causes collapse and they have no business meddling in the private sector. Thank you for your support!

Except the original claim was that the Dems in 2007 did the government intervention that crashed the housing market, when in fact it was Bush's American Dream Act of Dec 2003 that did it. So it is not "government" intervention but REPUBLICAN intervention that causes collapse on purpose so that "government" can be blamed.

Maybe the American Dream act was a huge mistake, who was in power to change it in 2007 or 8? Yeppers, the democrats. They didn't cause they wanted the economy to fail.

Wait just a minute there Slick, the GOP control both Houses of Congress and they claim that they are powerless to make changes as long as they don't control the presidency. Again we see the Right try to have it both ways!!!!

You're the one doing that. You proclaim failure under Bush when Dem's controlled Congress and then when Obama fails under a Republican Congress you try to pin it on them. You can't have it both ways junior.

 

[JoeNormal]

I'm not an atheist but I have found greater moral integrity among their ranks than I have with most religious people. I would hope that anyone who sees the direction that unbridled capitalism is taking us would rail against it in any way they can.

what you call unbridled capitalism made this country the most successful in the history of the world. Yes, there are winners and losers. That's life, deal with it. Everyone does not deserve a trophy.

The difference between winning and losing as you call it is too stark. Yes there need to be a reward for 'winning' but it's becoming all or nothing. That starkness will intensify further unless there's either a willful change of course or a violent revolution.

EDIT: I would further contend that the most lucrative endeavors have little or no positive effect on society.

^^^^this folks is the liberal mind in action. Everyone deserves a trophy, all profits should be shared with society equally, no one should ever lose or come in second.

this clown, like most liberals, is jealous of successful people and wants the government to find ways to punish them for their success--------------unless of course the successful person is a fellow liberal like the Clintons, Whoopi, Oprah, Beyoncé, Sarandon, Clooney, etc. Because they spout liberal propaganda they get to keep their wealth.

Once again, the liberals on this board prove that liberalism is a mental disease that prevents logical rational thinking.

No, not everyone deserves a trophy but everyone who works hard should not have to choose between food and medical care either.

You sound like a retiree (crotchety and senile) who has yours and don't give a fuck if anybody else gets theirs. Pathetic.

Hey shit for brains they don't have that option anymore to choose between food and medical

Obama demands you pay for medical before you can eat.


.

There you go. Ain't corporatization a wonderful thing?

 

[edthecynic]

And while Cloward & Piven were teaching their strategy to collapse the U.S. economy at Columbia guess who just happened to be attending? You go it....none other than Barry Sorento himself.

Please prove that Piven taught at Columbia and someone named Barry Sorento took her class or a class from Cloward.

 

[P@triot]

And while Cloward & Piven were teaching their strategy to collapse the U.S. economy at Columbia guess who just happened to be attending? You go it....none other than Barry Sorento himself.

Please prove that Piven taught at Columbia and someone named Barry Sorento took her class or a class from Cloward.

Aren't you desperate???

Clearly you've never stepped on a college campus (shocking) - but here is how it actually works: there is more than just classes. Professors develop relationships with students and become their mentors. There are clubs students join in which professors speak or guide. There are "open forums" on various topics and issues. There are protests on campus where both students and professors speak. There are political rallies on campus where both students and professors speak. Professors also publish papers on various concepts that students can read.

In short - there are near endless avenues for interactions, sharing ideas, teaching and mentoring, etc. that does not require one to sit in the classroom of a specific professor.

 

[edthecynic]

And while Cloward & Piven were teaching their strategy to collapse the U.S. economy at Columbia guess who just happened to be attending? You go it....none other than Barry Sorento himself.

Please prove that Piven taught at Columbia and someone named Barry Sorento took her class or a class from Cloward.

Aren't you desperate???

Clearly you've never stepped on a college campus (shocking) - but here is how it actually works: there is more than just classes. Professors develop relationships with students and become their mentors. There are clubs students join in which professors speak or guide. There are "open forums" on various topics and issues. There are protests on campus where both students and professors speak. There are political rallies on campus where both students and professors speak. Professors also publish papers on various concepts that students can read.

In short - there are near endless avenues for interactions, sharing ideas, teaching and mentoring, etc. that does not require one to sit in the classroom of a specific professor.

So you admit by avoidance that Pivin never taught at Columbia and Obama never took a class from Cloward, so you just make shit up.

 

[P@triot]

And while Cloward & Piven were teaching their strategy to collapse the U.S. economy at Columbia guess who just happened to be attending? You go it....none other than Barry Sorento himself.

Please prove that Piven taught at Columbia and someone named Barry Sorento took her class or a class from Cloward.

Aren't you desperate???

Clearly you've never stepped on a college campus (shocking) - but here is how it actually works: there is more than just classes. Professors develop relationships with students and become their mentors. There are clubs students join in which professors speak or guide. There are "open forums" on various topics and issues. There are protests on campus where both students and professors speak. There are political rallies on campus where both students and professors speak. Professors also publish papers on various concepts that students can read.

In short - there are near endless avenues for interactions, sharing ideas, teaching and mentoring, etc. that does not require one to sit in the classroom of a specific professor.

So you admit by avoidance that Pivin never taught at Columbia and Obama never took a class from Cloward, so you just make shit up.

Bwhahahaha! I just proved it. And you run from the truth like a typical liberal coward. One does not have to take a class from a professor to learn from them, be mentored by them, or be influenced by them.

I can't blame you though. After making shit up about Republican's "trying to destroy the economy to blame government" it is extremely damning to learn about the "Cloward & Piven Strategy". I enjoy watching liberals have a meltdown in the face of facts.