I Have A Question For Republicans

[edthecynic]

The Republicans in the House balanced the Budget when clinton didn't even bother to try........

When Bush came into office the economy was in a recession...

While the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

Intesting, and the great recession? Both houses were DEMOCRAT

And that is the point, The Right blames the Great Bush II Recession on the Dem Congress, but blame the first Bush II Recession not on the GOP controlled Congress but on the Dem president. So if Clinton owns the First Bush II Recession while the GOP controlled both houses, then Bush, not the Dem Congress, owns the Great Bush II Recession. You can't have it both ways even though the Right always tries to!

The Right does it with the deficit too! Clinton had no surplus because money was borrowed from the SS surplus, but Bush had only a $168 billion deficit even though he borrowed $332 billion from the SS Surplus. For Clinton any increase in the debt from SS borrowing was a part of the deficit, but for Bush any money borrowed from SS didn't count as a part of the deficit.

If the Right didn't have a double standard they would have no standards at all!

 

[ScienceRocks]

Here is the bottom line junior: it is illegal for the federal government to fund science.

That's rich, the Manhattan Project that defeated Japan in WWII was "illegal."

I bet the idiot thinks it is illegal to build highways and bridges too. None of these anti-government freaks Have any fucking clue what they're talking about. Thank god the government governs and gets things done. We wouldn't even have highways if it wasn't for government investing tax dollars to maintain them.

People like Patriot are parasites on this nation. What kind of government in the history of humanity doesn't?

 

[Redfish]

what you call unbridled capitalism made this country the most successful in the history of the world. Yes, there are winners and losers. That's life, deal with it. Everyone does not deserve a trophy.

The difference between winning and losing as you call it is too stark. Yes there need to be a reward for 'winning' but it's becoming all or nothing. That starkness will intensify further unless there's either a willful change of course or a violent revolution.

EDIT: I would further contend that the most lucrative endeavors have little or no positive effect on society.

^^^^this folks is the liberal mind in action. Everyone deserves a trophy, all profits should be shared with society equally, no one should ever lose or come in second.

this clown, like most liberals, is jealous of successful people and wants the government to find ways to punish them for their success--------------unless of course the successful person is a fellow liberal like the Clintons, Whoopi, Oprah, Beyoncé, Sarandon, Clooney, etc. Because they spout liberal propaganda they get to keep their wealth.

Once again, the liberals on this board prove that liberalism is a mental disease that prevents logical rational thinking.

No, not everyone deserves a trophy but everyone who works hard should not have to choose between food and medical care either.

You sound like a retiree (crotchety and senile) who has yours and don't give a fuck if anybody else gets theirs. Pathetic.

yes, I am retired, but neither crotchety or senile. I worked for everything I have, and worked damn hard and long hours and many weeks with no weekends. I paid the maximum into social security every year that I worked. I put 20% or more in a 401K every year, and some years that meant foregoing vacations and new cars, etc. But it has paid off. I earned my retirement.

No one in the USA today has to choose between food and medical care--------that is just left wing bullshit. No one in the USA is refused medical care today, and no one was refused medical care before obozocare. NO ONE, even those here illegally.

If you want a better standard of living stop bitching and get your ass to work. Find a second job, get some training, impress your boss. Take responsibility for your life and stop crying to momma government.

I'm one of a rapidly shrinking upper middle class who is doing just fine. However, if it were up to the upper management of the company I work for, my job would be in India now. Fortunately for me and the other engineers there, their efforts turned into a disaster and it became obvious that wasn't going to happen.

I can assure you that the young people who are now struggling in the workforce are an order of magnitude more capable than you in most ways but the ruthless turn that the corporate world has taken has made their long term success very tenuous.

You and Trump are saying exactly the same thing. Democrat policies would increase the job migration out of this country.

 

[Freewill]

The Republicans in the House balanced the Budget when clinton didn't even bother to try........

When Bush came into office the economy was in a recession...

While the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

Intesting, and the great recession? Both houses were DEMOCRAT

And that is the point, The Right blames the Great Bush II Recession on the Dem Congress, but blame the first Bush II Recession not on the GOP controlled Congress but on the Dem president. So if Clinton owns the First Bush II Recession while the GOP controlled both houses, then Bush, not the Dem Congress, owns the Great Bush II Recession. You can't have it both ways even though the Right always tries to!

The Right does it with the deficit too! Clinton had no surplus because money was borrowed from the SS surplus, but Bush had only a $168 billion deficit even though he borrowed $332 billion from the SS Surplus. For Clinton any increase in the debt from SS borrowing was a part of the deficit, but for Bush any money borrowed from SS didn't count as a part of the deficit.

If the Right didn't have a double standard they would have no standards at all!

I am not really sure what you are arguing. The Clinton "surplus" happened during a republican controlled congress. A recession that pretty much followed economic treads.

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry, or did nothing to stop the recession. So yeah, the economy cycles as it did when Clinton left office. Recovery is usually as big as the recession. But that all ended with Obama. The recovery should have been the one of the biggest in history and here we are 8 years later. Trillions of dollars more in debt with a future far from certain.

BTW no one "borrows" from the SS trust fund. The only vehicle for investment for the fund is the federal treasury notes. So every dollar that SS brings in becomes debt. Why? Because we spend too much and it isn't spent on SS retirees.

 

[Crixus]

The Republicans in the House balanced the Budget when clinton didn't even bother to try........

When Bush came into office the economy was in a recession...

While the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

Intesting, and the great recession? Both houses were DEMOCRAT

And that is the point, The Right blames the Great Bush II Recession on the Dem Congress, but blame the first Bush II Recession not on the GOP controlled Congress but on the Dem president. So if Clinton owns the First Bush II Recession while the GOP controlled both houses, then Bush, not the Dem Congress, owns the Great Bush II Recession. You can't have it both ways even though the Right always tries to!

The Right does it with the deficit too! Clinton had no surplus because money was borrowed from the SS surplus, but Bush had only a $168 billion deficit even though he borrowed $332 billion from the SS Surplus. For Clinton any increase in the debt from SS borrowing was a part of the deficit, but for Bush any money borrowed from SS didn't count as a part of the deficit.

If the Right didn't have a double standard they would have no standards at all!

I am not really sure what you are arguing. The Clinton "surplus" happened during a republican controlled congress. A recession that pretty much followed economic treads.

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry, or did nothing to stop the recession. So yeah, the economy cycles as it did when Clinton left office. Recovery is usually as big as the recession. But that all ended with Obama. The recovery should have been the one of the biggest in history and here we are 8 years later. Trillions of dollars more in debt with a future far from certain.

BTW no one "borrows" from the SS trust fund. The only vehicle for investment for the fund is the federal treasury notes. So every dollar that SS brings in becomes debt. Why? Because we spend too much and it isn't spent on SS retirees.

Wrong. It was Boooooooosh. Him and Gawd. Because they hate black people.

 

[Freewill]

The Republicans in the House balanced the Budget when clinton didn't even bother to try........

When Bush came into office the economy was in a recession...

While the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

Intesting, and the great recession? Both houses were DEMOCRAT

And that is the point, The Right blames the Great Bush II Recession on the Dem Congress, but blame the first Bush II Recession not on the GOP controlled Congress but on the Dem president. So if Clinton owns the First Bush II Recession while the GOP controlled both houses, then Bush, not the Dem Congress, owns the Great Bush II Recession. You can't have it both ways even though the Right always tries to!

The Right does it with the deficit too! Clinton had no surplus because money was borrowed from the SS surplus, but Bush had only a $168 billion deficit even though he borrowed $332 billion from the SS Surplus. For Clinton any increase in the debt from SS borrowing was a part of the deficit, but for Bush any money borrowed from SS didn't count as a part of the deficit.

If the Right didn't have a double standard they would have no standards at all!

I am not really sure what you are arguing. The Clinton "surplus" happened during a republican controlled congress. A recession that pretty much followed economic treads.

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry, or did nothing to stop the recession. So yeah, the economy cycles as it did when Clinton left office. Recovery is usually as big as the recession. But that all ended with Obama. The recovery should have been the one of the biggest in history and here we are 8 years later. Trillions of dollars more in debt with a future far from certain.

BTW no one "borrows" from the SS trust fund. The only vehicle for investment for the fund is the federal treasury notes. So every dollar that SS brings in becomes debt. Why? Because we spend too much and it isn't spent on SS retirees.

Wrong. It was Boooooooosh. Him and Gawd. Because they hate black people.

And gays, don't forget the gays.

 

[Crixus]

While the Republicans controlled the House and Senate.

Intesting, and the great recession? Both houses were DEMOCRAT

And that is the point, The Right blames the Great Bush II Recession on the Dem Congress, but blame the first Bush II Recession not on the GOP controlled Congress but on the Dem president. So if Clinton owns the First Bush II Recession while the GOP controlled both houses, then Bush, not the Dem Congress, owns the Great Bush II Recession. You can't have it both ways even though the Right always tries to!

The Right does it with the deficit too! Clinton had no surplus because money was borrowed from the SS surplus, but Bush had only a $168 billion deficit even though he borrowed $332 billion from the SS Surplus. For Clinton any increase in the debt from SS borrowing was a part of the deficit, but for Bush any money borrowed from SS didn't count as a part of the deficit.

If the Right didn't have a double standard they would have no standards at all!

I am not really sure what you are arguing. The Clinton "surplus" happened during a republican controlled congress. A recession that pretty much followed economic treads.

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry, or did nothing to stop the recession. So yeah, the economy cycles as it did when Clinton left office. Recovery is usually as big as the recession. But that all ended with Obama. The recovery should have been the one of the biggest in history and here we are 8 years later. Trillions of dollars more in debt with a future far from certain.

BTW no one "borrows" from the SS trust fund. The only vehicle for investment for the fund is the federal treasury notes. So every dollar that SS brings in becomes debt. Why? Because we spend too much and it isn't spent on SS retirees.

Wrong. It was Boooooooosh. Him and Gawd. Because they hate black people.

And gays, don't forget the gays.

Dang it, I did forget them. Shit. Speaking of the gays, how's that marriage thing working? Welcome to the misery you dumb ass's. Y'all had it good. Meh.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

No he didn't, it's been proven time and time again. Stop bothering me with this nonsense and get informed

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

No he didn't, it's been proven time and time again. Stop bothering me with this nonsense and get informed

Then Republicans lied to give the rich tax breaks. Finally you're being honest

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Clinton never left a surplus....end of thread.

Yes he did. Had bush Tom delay and Dennis hastert not done a damn thing we'd still have it.

Are you calling George W Bush a liar? He said in 2000 it wasn't right the government holding onto a surplus it should be returned to the citizens so he gave tax breaks.

And Chaney said debt don't matter. And if you are a Republican you were parroting them back then.

No he didn't, it's been proven time and time again. Stop bothering me with this nonsense and get informed

Then Republicans lied to give the rich tax breaks. Finally you're being honest

I never said that you idiot, I said Clinton never left a surplus....now YOU try being honest you dumb downed troll and stop bothering me with your elementary knowledge on the subject

 

[edthecynic]

every dollar that SS brings in becomes debt.

But not when Clinton was president.

 

[P@triot]

Here is the bottom line junior: it is illegal for the federal government to fund science.

That's rich, the Manhattan Project that defeated Japan in WWII was "illegal."

That wasn't "science" junior. That was defense.

(And yes....the federal government is constitutionally responsible for defense. How sad that you need this explained to you).

 

[P@triot]

When Bill Clinton left a balanced budget with surpluses in line to completely eliminate the national debt by 2012, why did George W. Bush slash tax rates for the rich and double the debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion?

A strong feeling that hit me when GW Bush announced his plan to invade Iraq was that he was out to undo the 2 most criticized things about his father's administration. First item was his dad's backpedaling on his pledge, "Read my lips, no new taxes" and then the often heard criticism by those that felt he shouldn't have ended the Gulf War with Saddam Hussein left in power. That has been my impression on the matter, never seen it addressed anyplace so it is simply an impression.

I've always thought Republicans wanted to bankrupt the country thinking we'd have to slash or eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Education, and other Nat'l social programs created by the Dems!

That's cute. Ignorant as hell. But cute. It's actually Dumbocrats that want to bankrupt the country so that they can declare that it was the fault of capitalism and then replace it with failed communism.

That is the exact strategy of "Cloward & Piven" taught at Columbia University while Barack Obama was there. And he just happens to run up almost $10 trillion in debt. Coincidence?

 

[edthecynic]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

 

[P@triot]

I bet the idiot thinks it is illegal to build highways and bridges too.

Not if it's done by state and local governments. We have this document called the U.S. Constitution. It is the law. It is the highest law in the land. It explicitly restricts the federal government to 18 enumerated powers. Science is not one of them. Highways are not one of them. Bridges are not one of them. I can see why you beg like a homeless person for federal dollars do be spent on "science". You're simply too stupid to survive in the private sector.

None of these anti-government freaks Have any fucking clue what they're talking about.

Says the jack-ass who doesn't have the slightest clue about the U.S. Constitution or his own system of government.

We're not "anti-government". We're "pro-legal government". The problem is, you're too fucking stupid to know the law and too fucking lazy to read the U.S. Constitution so you don't know what you're talking about. That gives you the distorted impression that we're "anti-government". Just one of many illustrations of your astounding ignorance.

People like Patriot are parasites on this nation.

That's a remarkable statement coming from the parasite who begs to mooch off of government 24x7 on this site because he's too stupid to make it in the private sector. We have this document called the U.S. Constitution. It is the law. It is the highest law in the land. It explicitly restricts the federal government to 18 enumerated powers. Science is not one of them. Highways are not one of them. Bridges are not one of them. I can see why you beg like a homeless person for federal dollars do be spent on "science". You're simply too stupid to survive in the private sector.

 

[P@triot]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

 

[sealybobo]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

People who got those loans had jobs at the time. And those bad mortgages were bundled together under bush. So much wrong with you

 

[P@triot]

The "great recession" occured after the democrats took control and ruined the housing industry

So you will have no trouble citing the exact law passed in 2007 over Bush's veto and the GOP filibuster that ruined the housing industry.

Certainly! Bill Clinton's 1997 Community Re-Investment Act. It forced banks to make loans they previously refused to make and it incentivized them to make outrageously risky loans because it would all be backed by Freddie and Fannie.

See...in vintage liberal socialist stupidity fashion....you idiots believed that everyone deserved a home even if they couldn't afford it. That type of communism/socialism has collapsed every single nation that has ever implemented it. And it did the same thing to the U.S.

Notice how it was almost 10 years exactly? Nobody defaults on their first house payment. But over time, people start to fall behind. What do they do? Start putting everything on a credit card. Eventually they file bankruptcy and all of that money is lost. As this happens to more and more people, credit card companies and banks forced to layoff employees because they didn't get all of their money back (plus the interest they were supposed to make) - which means that even people who could afford their homes previously are now in trouble. Eventually, there are so many foreclosed homes on the market that the value of homes plummets. Now people owe more on their home than it is worth because 4 houses on their street are being auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

This is what happens with idiot liberal policy. Economic collapse. Failure. Poverty. Misery.

People who got those loans had jobs at the time. And those bad mortgages were bundled together under bush. So much wrong with you

Bwahahahahah! Bush wasn't bundling the loans you idiot. Wall Street was doing that. And guess what? They didn't hide anything. The investment prospectuses had every detail about each and every loan in the bundle.

It's just that the lazy idiots on Wall Street didn't do their job and read the prospectuses. Anyone who invested with those people have no one to blame but themselves. Why would you hand your hard earned money over to someone you don't know? Greed. Every liberal on earth wants to make money while sitting on the their fat, lazy asses and that means gambling in the stock market. Then they whine when they lose money because they didn't do their homework (or weren't smart enough not to gamble their money).

Guess what happened to people who invested with Dr. Michael Burry? They made over $700 million. See - Dr. Burry actually read the prospectuses in the bundled investment loans and saw that they were getting riskier and riskier and riskier. He saw that the bottom was going to fall out on those bundled loans so he went to Wall Street and asked for a new "financial product" - insurance against those bundled loans. He created "Credit Default Swaps" and made nearly a billion dollars.

 

[P@triot]

People who got those loans had jobs at the time.

You're correct - they did. But they had bad credit history and their jobs didn't pay enough for the amount of the home loan they were requesting. The banks would have normally denied them, but thanks to the Dumbocrats 1997 Community Re-Investement Act, they were incentivized to make really risky and reckless loans. So they did. And the rest is history. It's what happens with socialism and government intervention in the free market.