I guess the leftists better thank Dubya

[kiwiman127]

Using the UN Resolutions that Iraq violated sure was popular for those who supported the invasion.
So sometimes the UN=good and sometimes the UN=bad,,,nothing like wanting it both ways.

UNSC Res. 1441 superceeded all resolution cited against Iraq. It was decided that a final round of weapons inspectors were to determine if Iraq had any of the items it was accuse of having. There was no military action clause in that resolution. Several members of the SC rejected the military clause. The SC agreed to reconvine to decide the next step if Saddam interfered with there job or if they found the Weapons the US alleged were there. They were not allowed to finish their job. As we well know the alleged WMD were never found by the UN or the US.

But there were WMD's found,,,,,,,prior to the Iraqi invasion, by the Weapons Inspectors. They were inventoried and tagged. The found WMDs were pretty much worthless leftovers from the pre-Gulf War days. Any current weapons found were incompliance of the cease fire weapons agreement.

 

[BlindBoo]

Using the UN Resolutions that Iraq violated sure was popular for those who supported the invasion.
So sometimes the UN=good and sometimes the UN=bad,,,nothing like wanting it both ways.

UNSC Res. 1441 superceeded all resolution cited against Iraq. It was decided that a final round of weapons inspectors were to determine if Iraq had any of the items it was accuse of having. There was no military action clause in that resolution. Several members of the SC rejected the military clause. The SC agreed to reconvine to decide the next step if Saddam interfered with there job or if they found the Weapons the US alleged were there. They were not allowed to finish their job. As we well know the alleged WMD were never found by the UN or the US.

But there were WMD's found,,,,,,,prior to the Iraqi invasion, by the Weapons Inspectors. They were inventoried and tagged. The found WMDs were pretty much worthless leftovers from the pre-Gulf War days. Any current weapons found were incompliance of the cease fire weapons agreement.

The allegation were that he was actively producing and stockpiling new Chemical/Biological weapons and trying to aquire nuclear bombs. Not that he had a small amount worthless leftovers from the Iran/Iraq war days that he failed to destroy according to the UN Sanctions.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Saddam was playing a very dangerous game where he wanted Iran to believe that he had WMD. Yet at the same time he was only preparing to restart manufacturing as soon as sanctions were lifted. This has all been proven time and again, why are we still talking about it?

 

[jgarden]

yes, it is, dipshit
now you can fuck off

i said i dont SAVE links, asshole
fuck off again

again, dipshit here doesnt remember Iran-Contra

you are too fucking stupid, finding links for you is a waste of time

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I guess the leftists... 02-14-2011 07:52 PM DiveCon you have shown yoursefl to be a fucking idiot

Coprolalia

Coprolalia is involuntary swearing or the involuntary utterance of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks. Coprolalia comes from the Greek κόπρος (kopros) meaning "feces" and λαλιά (lalia) from lalein, "to talk" ..... encompasses words and phrases that are culturally taboo or generally unsuitable for acceptable social use .....

Some patients have been treated by injecting botulinum toxin (botox) near the vocal cords. This does not prevent the vocalizations, but the partial paralysis that results helps to control the volume of any outbursts. Surprisingly, botox injections result in more generalized relief of tics than the vocal relief expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprolalia

Perhaps the "liberals" in this forum can take up a collection to see that "DiveCon" gets the botox injections he most desperately needs!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Saddam was playing a very dangerous game where he wanted Iran to believe that he had WMD. Yet at the same time he was only preparing to restart manufacturing as soon as sanctions were lifted. This has all been proven time and again, why are we still talking about it?

Because the left desperately needs to find a way to prevent the incorporation into the public consciousness the idea that a Free Iraq is a good thing for everyone and that we have GWB to thank for it.

 

[DiveCon]

Perhaps the "liberals" in this forum can take up a collection to see that "DiveCon" gets the botox injections he most desperately needs!

fuck off asshole

 

[BlindBoo]

Saddam was playing a very dangerous game where he wanted Iran to believe that he had WMD. Yet at the same time he was only preparing to restart manufacturing as soon as sanctions were lifted. This has all been proven time and again, why are we still talking about it?

Because the left desperately needs to find a way to prevent the incorporation into the public consciousness the idea that a Free Iraq is a good thing for everyone and that we have GWB to thank for it.

A free Iraq would be great.


However: Iraq isn’t looking much like what we would recognize as a democracy. In December the government closed social clubs that serve alcohol in the capital, sparking protests by writers and poets that the move was Saddam-style repression. Turns out they’re enforcing one of Saddam’s old laws. All those people dead, so Saddam could rule Iraq from the grave?

But that wasn’t all. Next was theater and music classes, banned by the Iraqi ministry of education. Iraqi’s parliamentary democracy – the Republic of Iraq – is beginning to look more like the Islamic Republic of Iraq. It’s not exactly what either freedom-loving Iraqis or Americans who gave so much to the war effort hand in mind

The Islamic Republic of Iraq? Is This What Americans Died For?

So a free Iraq would be a great thing, but freedom is losing in Iraq.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Saddam was playing a very dangerous game where he wanted Iran to believe that he had WMD. Yet at the same time he was only preparing to restart manufacturing as soon as sanctions were lifted. This has all been proven time and again, why are we still talking about it?

Because the left desperately needs to find a way to prevent the incorporation into the public consciousness the idea that a Free Iraq is a good thing for everyone and that we have GWB to thank for it.

A free Iraq would be great.
However: Iraq isn’t looking much like what we would recognize as a democracy....

Classic red herring, You aren't addressing what I said.
You're trying to turh the discusion away from the issue presented - that the liberals cannot allow the perception that GWB did somethng good.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The US is bound by its treaty obligations. Iraq did not attack us and was not in a position to do so.

{ Also, the pilots in the Iraq War have flown two-thirds the number of missions as NATO pilots in the 1999 Kosovo War. By all accounts, Iraqi forces continue to target their radar and fire missiles at Allied warplanes despite the punishment inflicted from the air. The estimated, unofficial cost of this war to U.S. and British taxpayers is around $1 billion per year. As of August 1999, over 200 military planes, 19 naval ships and 22,000 American military personnel are committed to enforcing the "no-fly zones" and to fighting Iraq. In addition, reports indicate that the death rate for small children has doubled in Iraq over the past decade. These child deaths are attributed to the continuing war and economic sanctions on Iraq and Saddam Hussein’s unwillingness to live up to the 1991 cease-fire agreement.}

The History Guy: The No-Fly Zone War (1991-2003)


Yer full of shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually arming both sides in a war conflict is dispicable.

Yawn.

You praise anything done by a leftist and condemn anything done by a Republican. The same act will be praised by you if conducted by a leftist and condemned as an atrocity if done by the right.

Not only did it prolong the agony of war for both sides, mostly young uneducated Iranian/Iraqis draftees who were killed,

Iran and Iraq were better handled fighting each other than expanding into the territory of their neighbors.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Two, his administration diverted the funds illegally to the a paramilitary group carryingout subversive activities against Nicaragua.

Nothing illegal about that - nothing at all. The fifth column, led by Jim Wright were supporting the communist dictatorship in Nicaragua. They would not fund the administration in resisting the establishment of a Soviet Beachhead on the North American continent, but the Constitution (The document that Wright and other leftists fight to do away with) gives the power to effect a foreign policy to the executive.

I would argue that Jim Wright's actions were illegal, treason. You of the left would counter that we were not at declared war with the USSR so his efforts on their behalf did not rise to that.

Either way, the claim that the funding of the anti-Communists was "illegal" is a shameless lie.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A free Iraq would be great.[/B]

What do you mean "would be?"

Outside of Israel, Iraq is by far the most free country in the Middle East.

However: Iraq isn’t looking much like what we would recognize as a democracy. In December the government closed social clubs that serve alcohol in the capital, sparking protests by writers and poets that the move was Saddam-style repression.

Uh, you don't comprehend was "democracy" is.

The majority of Iraqi Muslims want alcohol prohibited.

Democracy doesn't mean that everyone follows Gavin Newsom's rules - it means people decide for themselves. Muslims are harsh and socially rigid. Freedom means they get to form their society as they please.

 

[kiwiman127]

Two, his administration diverted the funds illegally to the a paramilitary group carryingout subversive activities against Nicaragua.

Nothing illegal about that - nothing at all. The fifth column, led by Jim Wright were supporting the communist dictatorship in Nicaragua. They would not fund the administration in resisting the establishment of a Soviet Beachhead on the North American continent, but the Constitution (The document that Wright and other leftists fight to do away with) gives the power to effect a foreign policy to the executive.

I would argue that Jim Wright's actions were illegal, treason. You of the left would counter that we were not at declared war with the USSR so his efforts on their behalf did not rise to that.

Either way, the claim that the funding of the anti-Communists was "illegal" is a shameless lie.

You should look up facts before you post stuff.

The Sandinistas overthrew the 43 year old Somoza dictatorship in 1979. In 1984, the Sandinistas held democratic elections.

The 1984 elections, described by international observers as fair and free.Sandinista National Liberation Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in other words, the Iran-Contra operation was used to fund an overthrow of a democratically elected government.

 

[BlindBoo]

Two, his administration diverted the funds illegally to the a paramilitary group carryingout subversive activities against Nicaragua.

Nothing illegal about that - nothing at all. The fifth column, led by Jim Wright were supporting the communist dictatorship in Nicaragua. They would not fund the administration in resisting the establishment of a Soviet Beachhead on the North American continent, but the Constitution (The document that Wright and other leftists fight to do away with) gives the power to effect a foreign policy to the executive.

I would argue that Jim Wright's actions were illegal, treason. You of the left would counter that we were not at declared war with the USSR so his efforts on their behalf did not rise to that.

Either way, the claim that the funding of the anti-Communists was "illegal" is a shameless lie.

Not just lies but shameless huh? Hahahahahaha. Get some history will ya?

The Boland Amendment prohibited the federal government from providing military support for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Nicaragua.

"...they sold arms to Iran to free the hostages in Lebanon and diverted proceeds from these weapons sales to fund the Contras. These activities, which began Aug. 20, 1985, and carried on until March 4, 1987, became known as the Iran-Contra Affair. After an 11-month investigation, Congress issued its 690-page report on Nov. 18, 1987, concluding that President Reagan bore “the ultimate responsibility” for the Iran-Contra affair. The report stated: “Fundamental processes of governance were disregarded, and the rule of law was subverted… If the president did not know what his national security advisers were doing, he should have.”

Congress Releases Iran-Contra Report Critical of Reagan Administration | NewsInHistory.com

 

[BlindBoo]

The US is bound by its treaty obligations. Iraq did not attack us and was not in a position to do so.

{ Also, the pilots in the Iraq War have flown two-thirds the number of missions as NATO pilots in the 1999 Kosovo War. By all accounts, Iraqi forces continue to target their radar and fire missiles at Allied warplanes despite the punishment inflicted from the air. The estimated, unofficial cost of this war to U.S. and British taxpayers is around $1 billion per year. As of August 1999, over 200 military planes, 19 naval ships and 22,000 American military personnel are committed to enforcing the "no-fly zones" and to fighting Iraq. In addition, reports indicate that the death rate for small children has doubled in Iraq over the past decade. These child deaths are attributed to the continuing war and economic sanctions on Iraq and Saddam Hussein’s unwillingness to live up to the 1991 cease-fire agreement.}

The History Guy: The No-Fly Zone War (1991-2003)


Yer full of shit.

Awe you just had to revert to name calling huh?

Next you'll be saying I praised Clinton for his actions against the Iraqi civilians and children.

 

[BlindBoo]

A free Iraq would be great.[/B]

What do you mean "would be?"

Outside of Israel, Iraq is by far the most free country in the Middle East.

However: Iraq isn’t looking much like what we would recognize as a democracy. In December the government closed social clubs that serve alcohol in the capital, sparking protests by writers and poets that the move was Saddam-style repression.

Uh, you don't comprehend was "democracy" is.

The majority of Iraqi Muslims want alcohol prohibited.

Democracy doesn't mean that everyone follows Gavin Newsom's rules - it means people decide for themselves. Muslims are harsh and socially rigid. Freedom means they get to form their society as they please.

So they're not really using their newfound freedom to experience liberty but impose a religious theocracy upon the entire state of Iraq. In other word Democracy does not equal freedom. Got it.

 

[jgarden]

Perhaps the "liberals" in this forum can take up a collection to see that "DiveCon" gets the botox injections he most desperately needs!

fuck off asshole

Its painfully obvious that "DiveCon" hasn't received his daily "botox injection" for Coprolalia
today.

If he would send me his address I'll rush right over and give him his injection - PERSONALLY!

"Coprolalia" comes from the Greek κόπρος (kopros) meaning "feces" and λαλιά (lalia) from lalein, "to talk"

 

[DiveCon]

Perhaps the "liberals" in this forum can take up a collection to see that "DiveCon" gets the botox injections he most desperately needs!

fuck off asshole

Its painfully obvious that "DiveCon" hasn't received his daily "botox injection" for Coprolalia
today.

If he would send me his address I'll rush right over and give him his injection - PERSONALLY!

"Coprolalia" comes from the Greek κόπρος (kopros) meaning "feces" and λαλιά (lalia) from lalein, "to talk"

again, fuck off, moron

 

[midcan5]

Since so many liked my post noted below and since they so nicely repped me, I thought it only appropriate that I post this latest bit of information. At the time I actually googled this topic and found it to be false. One of the senior officials was on TV the other evening, he actually claimed it didn't matter what contrary information was given, Bush Cheney wanted war and they got it. Two draft dodgers yet!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-leftists-better-thank-dubya.html#post3319968

'Defector Admits to WMD Lies That Helped Trigger Iraq War'

by Martin Chulov and Helen Pidd in Karlsruhe

"The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war."

[...]

"The admission comes just after the eighth anniversary of Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations in which the then-US secretary of state relied heavily on lies that Janabi had told the German secret service, the BND. It also follows the release of former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memoirs, in which he admitted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction programme.

The careers of both men were seriously damaged by their use of Janabi's claims, which he now says could have been – and were – discredited well before Powell's landmark speech to the UN on 5 February 2003." Defector Admits to WMD Lies That Helped Trigger Iraq War | Common Dreams

 

[DiveCon]

neither CHeney nor Bush were "draft dodgers"
that only makes you look stupid

CHeney had legal deferments(btw, Kerry got 4 and had applied for a 5th and was turned down) and Bush served in the TANG