I find it strange that...

[night_son]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

Sounds like you are also reaching the current republican politician solution of appeasement and pacification of radical leftist insanity and lawlessness but by a more circuitous and questionable path of reasoning. There's never been a time like this before in American History—a time of utter chaos when the most threatening enemy of the American People and American Civilization is a combination of the second of our two major political parties and the entire sum of the journalistic cadre. The across the board attack on our civilization, culture, history, military, religion, science, truth and fact, as well as political system and rule of law, is currently led by the democratic party overtly at the vanguard. We've reached a situation more flammable than the months leading up to the Civil War.

And yet so-called self-styled conservative "wise ones" or "adults in the room" refuse to understand or even acknowledge the necessity of overwhelming force to burn away the chaos and restore order. Frankly, it is you who come across as naïve, possibly even turncoat to the core principals of traditional conservatism. Preservation of the rule of law, the tenets of the founding documents, the social contract and all rights and freedoms that afford us the ability to pursue our individual American dreams must be defended by any means necessary. As must be our history, heritage and culture.

We are not a country of fifty individual, independent city-nation states. We are one nation under God. The apologists stance of "well, you wouldn't want a democrat President to intervene" is terribly dangerous in regards to the state of current affairs—possibly even traitorous and one hundred percent weak.

 

[buttercup]

the necessity of overwhelming force to burn away the chaos and restore order.

You accidentally pinpointed what is actually happening, and you are doing exactly what you and others have been manipulated to do. "Ordo Ab Chao" or Order Out Of Chaos. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Problem - Reaction - Solution. Create a problem that will bring about a reaction and then provide the "solution" which just so happens to be the agenda in the first place. In my view that is what is happening right now, and overall in the US.

I agree that the Democratic Party is corrupt, but so is the Republican party, and they are both controlled by the same people, they are two wings of the same bird. The problem is that you and others here are still stuck in the D vs R false dichotomy. The powers that be COUNT on that, because both "sides" are constantly busy pointing the finger at each other, which takes the attention off of them. And they are probably laughing at how easy it is to manipulate and distract everyone.

Your constant authoritarian calling for the military to be sent in is taking the bait. As I said on another thread, I think they are doing these things to get people acclimated to martial law and more power grabs. Don't give them what they want. Unless you want the NWO. I mean, that's happening either way, but you are helping them without realizing it.

 

[Crepitus]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

The current *administration* is going it full-on fascist.

Democrats and democracy have nothing to do with it.

 

[night_son]

the necessity of overwhelming force to burn away the chaos and restore order.

You accidentally pinpointed what is actually happening, and you are doing exactly what you and others have been manipulated to do. "Ordo Ab Chao" or Order Out Of Chaos. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Problem - Reaction - Solution. Create a problem that will bring about a reaction and then provide the "solution" which just so happens to be the agenda in the first place. In my view that is what is happening right now, and overall in the US.

I agree that the Democratic Party is corrupt, but so is the Republican party, and they are both controlled by the same people, they are two wings of the same bird. The problem is that you and others here are still stuck in the D vs R false dichotomy. The powers that be COUNT on that, because both "sides" are constantly busy pointing the finger at each other, which takes the attention off of them. And they are probably laughing at how easy it is to manipulate and distract everyone.

Your constant authoritarian calling for the military to be sent in is taking the bait. As I said on another thread, I think they are doing these things to get people acclimated to martial law and more power grabs. Don't give them what they want. Unless you want the NWO. I mean, that's happening either way, but you are helping them without realizing it.

Thanks for the well written, intelligent response. It's much appreciated. You know I used to be exactly where you seem to be at right now, along the philosophical walk of life. While the false dichotomy narrative could hold some truth, whether or not it does makes little difference to us common folk down here on the ground. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone who posts on internet message boards will likely ever see the view from the top, from where the puppet master pulls all our strings, let alone stand for even a moment in the master's shoes. No matter how "awake" one might be to one's true position in the cosmos no degree of awareness to it can change the balance of power between servant and master.

We're all born into slavery. Some of us know it from early on while others awaken to such truths late and still others sleepwalk to their deaths. Knowing one is a slave is the antithesis of freeing oneself from the chains that bind them. With awareness comes shock and surprise followed by the thrill of The Cause: Rebellion soon followed by realization such knowledge is a curse. Not knowing one's true place is like a laurel wreath worn in celebration of a victory one never knew he won. Depression, despair and much writhing on the floor follow.

Bottom line: we must never lose sight of or belief in the eternal difference between immutable right and wrong. In my own case wrong is any threat to my family, my fellow countrymen, my nation, the human race at large or our individual freedom to at least move about this aquarium civilization we call America. Trust me, it's not so civilized in many places outside the curving walls of our fishbowl.

Which brings me to choosing sides. In your philosophy no side is good because both sides are but opposite faces of the same hedonistic, greed feeding coin. As mentioned, I too used to believe this. Doesn't matter either way. What does (matter) is choosing a side that encompasses the at least attempt to defend and/or preserve what I know to be good: family, country, God, freedom, healthy tradition and ancient foundational concepts of good, of right and righteousness. Sure, both democratic and republican parties are dragons which must be fed and whose hunger for our blood and treasure, sweat and tears will never be sated, not in our lifetimes or ten lifetimes or in hundreds to come.

The order of man never changes . . .

So choosing a side, while a seemingly futile endeavor, is necessary in the defense of what matters most to each of us, individually. Myself, I have chosen the side of good, of righteousness—which is the preservation of the human race (for as long as it can be preserved) which in turn satisfies my desire to protect family, freedom, country and the rest. I did not create the republican party, it was there when I was born, will persist after my death. However, for the moment, flawed as it might be, the republican party both is as close to sharing my philosophy as possible and stands in opposition to the destruction of my family, my fellow human beings, my country and the rest. Whether or not the republicans are greed chasing hedonistic monsters or not or are in bed with the democrats, they're the less severe overlords, at least on paper and for now.

Then again, your hybrid nihilism is showing through just a bit although you disguise it well. You want to claim all sides are equally evil, are all heads attached to the same hydra, which leaves little room for anything but intellectual or physical suicide as the only out—the only victory— in the end. Which cycles us back to choosing one of those evil sides or heads to which to swear allegiance. Standing alone in the cold shadow of ultimate truth in knowing one's place in the cosmos is quite a desolate place to live.

Me? I believe in my country and its ability to right itself no matter how wrong may be the pursuits of our masters. I also possess unwavering faith in my God. Salvation of the flesh notwithstanding I've served my nation for nearly three decades and in exchange received training on par with the greatest unconventional warriors in human history. I have great faith in those capabilities as well. We must believe we're immortal until we're six feet under. The grave believes in nothing.

Respectfully, I would argue it is you who have fallen into a trap. The trap that is living a life of recursive suspicion to the extreme that you doubt all masters to the point of never choosing any side or standing for anything greater than your individual self because everyone and everything is part of the same plot out to deceive you. While it is true we are universes unto ourselves, our minds that is, no man or woman can survive for long as an island in a sea of writhing, filthy humanity.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Conservatives are not anarchists.

 

[Vastator]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

There is no shortage of “Republicans” that don’t realize that they’re just the authoritarian opposition to the socialists.

Authoritarian in defense of law is no crime.

Authoritarian in defense of treason is.

In a Republic, Authoritarian is no virtue. Ever.

Nonsense. We are a nation of law. Law sometimes must be enforced.

There is a difference between 'laws' and 'authoritarian..

Laws means that the President is not permitted to step into the affairs of any State.

Laws means that the Federal government is "limited to only those authorities' given to it by the US Constitution.

When the Governors stepped outside the 'laws', people cheered. And they were wrong to do so.

Now, you want to cheer on a President stepping 'outside' the law.

Look to your principles. What yo will not tolerate from a Democrat, you BETTER NOT tolerate from a Republican. Or ANY President.

Rabid partisans of any stripe, are anything but principled.

 

[Manonthestreet]

They are going to try this elsewhere........letting cancer grow......great plan

 

[Cellblock2429]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

/——/ You understand Conservatives the way a pig understands the designated hitter rule.

 

[Darkwind]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

Well considering that you lefties have BLAMED conservatives for every fucking states response to the pandemic why wouldn't conservatives at least want to be able to CONTROL the response?

I'm not a lefty. Anyone who has been around here for any amount of time knows this.

 

[Darkwind]

They are going to try this elsewhere........letting cancer grow......great plan

It won't grow if they capitulate because they can't eat or drink. What part of that plan didn't you understand?

 

[Darkwind]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

/——/ You understand Conservatives the way a pig understands the designated hitter rule.

It is likely I was conservative before you were born.

 

[Manonthestreet]

They are going to try this elsewhere........letting cancer grow......great plan

It won't grow if they capitulate because they can't eat or drink. What part of that plan didn't you understand?

That won't happen. How big will the lawsuits be from citizens raped and robbed by this " peaceful block party" btw Seattle Mayor is suddenly singing a new song.......wonder what changed

 

[Darkwind]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

Sounds like you are also reaching the current republican politician solution of appeasement and pacification of radical leftist insanity and lawlessness but by a more circuitous and questionable path of reasoning. There's never been a time like this before in American History—a time of utter chaos when the most threatening enemy of the American People and American Civilization is a combination of the second of our two major political parties and the entire sum of the journalistic cadre. The across the board attack on our civilization, culture, history, military, religion, science, truth and fact, as well as political system and rule of law, is currently led by the democratic party overtly at the vanguard. We've reached a situation more flammable than the months leading up to the Civil War.

And yet so-called self-styled conservative "wise ones" or "adults in the room" refuse to understand or even acknowledge the necessity of overwhelming force to burn away the chaos and restore order. Frankly, it is you who come across as naïve, possibly even turncoat to the core principals of traditional conservatism. Preservation of the rule of law, the tenets of the founding documents, the social contract and all rights and freedoms that afford us the ability to pursue our individual American dreams must be defended by any means necessary. As must be our history, heritage and culture.

We are not a country of fifty individual, independent city-nation states. We are one nation under God. The apologists stance of "well, you wouldn't want a democrat President to intervene" is terribly dangerous in regards to the state of current affairs—possibly even traitorous and one hundred percent weak.

Feel better?

I never said that there wasn't a good and forceful means by which control can be regained. Those who understand the principles of "limited" government also understand which role each part of our government plays. I'm not a self-styled conservative. I have been a conservative for 40 years. I'm thinking that if you think it is okay for the President of the United States to call in overwhelming force to subdue the population, you really aren't all the conservative at all.

There are authorized actions that can be very effective without setting a precedence of giving complete power to the White House. It used to be that Americans were educated in our government and that they were taught the power lays with the people -- In the Congress -- and not with a dictator (no matter what party he hails from) in the White House.

Give them just one iota of power and they'll take it all.

 

[Darkwind]

They are going to try this elsewhere........letting cancer grow......great plan

It won't grow if they capitulate because they can't eat or drink. What part of that plan didn't you understand?

That won't happen. How big will the lawsuits be from citizens raped and robbed by this " peaceful block party" btw Seattle Mayor is suddenly singing a new song.......wonder what changed

Sounds like Seattle's and Washington State's problems.

 

[Wyatt earp]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

We just want to see ANTIFTA get beat up..

Pass the popcorn

 

[Manonthestreet]

Soon going to be others as they attempt it elsewhere ......it's called collusion

 

[Cellblock2429]

They are going to try this elsewhere........letting cancer grow......great plan

It won't grow if they capitulate because they can't eat or drink. What part of that plan didn't you understand?

That won't happen. How big will the lawsuits be from citizens raped and robbed by this " peaceful block party" btw Seattle Mayor is suddenly singing a new song.......wonder what changed

Sounds like Seattle's and Washington State's problems.

/——/ only if Antifa were a local terror group to Seattle and not an international one.

 

[harmonica]

People who are allegedly 'Conservative' are so quick to demand that the Feds step in and control States and how they handle their internal strife.

Since I've been gone, this forum conservatives have taken a decidedly liberal, even a progressive turn toward liberty and the role of government.

Do not demand that Trump do something that you would cry and gnash your teeth over if a Democrat President did what you demand.

One of the biggest flaws of the progressives and extreme left-wing liberals is that they have no concept of unintended consequences.

When you demand that the feds jump into a state issue, you open the door for ANY President to do the same and it may be a cause that yo support, but that will be too damn bad because the example has been set.

Each of you would whine, moan, and bitch about a Democrat stepping in and forcing the military to quell civil unrest, yet you demand it of the current President.

I have one question.


Are you nuts?

The Federal government is supposed to be limited in power and scope, or have you forgotten that? Be smart and don't just start throwing bullets and force around. There are ways to get this unrest under control without selling your souls to the Marxists and Nazis.

You people are becoming what you hate.

hahahhahahah-you're a real genius
...it's the Federal controlling RIOTS/violence/harm/etc ----you just want mobs to do all of that????!!!!!!!!???? NOT the Feds running the states in normal situations
..and I've proven many times on USMB how the left and blacks are exactly like nazis --not the right

 

[buttercup]

Thanks for the well written, intelligent response. It's much appreciated. You know I used to be exactly where you seem to be at right now, along the philosophical walk of life. While the false dichotomy narrative could hold some truth, whether or not it does makes little difference to us common folk down here on the ground. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone who posts on internet message boards will likely ever see the view from the top, from where the puppet master pulls all our strings, let alone stand for even a moment in the master's shoes. No matter how "awake" one might be to one's true position in the cosmos no degree of awareness to it can change the balance of power between servant and master.

We're all born into slavery. Some of us know it from early on while others awaken to such truths late and still others sleepwalk to their deaths. Knowing one is a slave is the antithesis of freeing oneself from the chains that bind them. With awareness comes shock and surprise followed by the thrill of The Cause: Rebellion soon followed by realization such knowledge is a curse. Not knowing one's true place is like a laurel wreath worn in celebration of a victory one never knew he won. Depression, despair and much writhing on the floor follow.

I don't think we're understanding each other. Why would I need to see the view from the top or stand in the puppetmaster's shoes? I'm not sure what your point is, are you saying that us common folk will never be at the top, so we have to just accept that we are slaves?

I never claimed that we can change what is coming, but that doesn't mean that I have to go along with it. I just want to expose it, and tell people what is actually going on.

You said that we're all born into slavery. I’m sorry but that entire paragraph was very unclear to me. Were you saying that we don't really live in a free country, or did you mean we are born into slavery from a spiritual standpoint?

Then (correct me if I'm wrong) it sounded like you said it's better to not know that truth, that ignorance is bliss?

I don't want to get off-topic here, but I don't believe we have to stay slaves. As a Christian I believe that we become free, in Christ. But that's another topic, and maybe you weren't even speaking from a spiritual standpoint, I don't know, as I said that whole paragraph was unclear to me.

Bottom line: we must never lose sight of or belief in the eternal difference between immutable right and wrong. In my own case wrong is any threat to my family, my fellow countrymen, my nation, the human race at large or our individual freedom to at least move about this aquarium civilization we call America. Trust me, it's not so civilized in many places outside the curving walls of our fishbowl.

I agree that we should never lose sight of the difference between right and wrong, and I never argued otherwise. I think we’re on two different pages here. My point was that many here are stuck in a false dichotomy. It’s not about Democrat vs Republican. I know this will sound crazy to some here, but what’s actually happening right now is that the globalist criminals who run this world are in the process of destroying our country from within. In order to take us to the New World Order, they have to destroy the current order (national sovereignty, individual rights, etc) and that means our country as we know it.

They control both parties, so when people constantly put their focus on the “opposing” party, they are barking up the wrong tree, and they are doing exactly what they’ve been manipulated to do. Again, my point was that those at the top WANT us all fighting each other, because it takes the attention off of them.

Which brings me to choosing sides. In your philosophy no side is good because both sides are but opposite faces of the same hedonistic, greed feeding coin. As mentioned, I too used to believe this. Doesn't matter either way. What does (matter) is choosing a side that encompasses the at least attempt to defend and/or preserve what I know to be good: family, country, God, freedom, healthy tradition and ancient foundational concepts of good, of right and righteousness. Sure, both democratic and republican parties are dragons which must be fed and whose hunger for our blood and treasure, sweat and tears will never be sated, not in our lifetimes or ten lifetimes or in hundreds to come.

No, you’re misunderstanding my position. I never said that no side is good, I’m just saying the “sides” are not necessarily what people think they are. For me, the GOOD side, is the side of freedom, truth, justice and individual rights. But that doesn’t necessarily mean a particular political party, because politicians and parties can sell out.

In fact, as pessimistic as this may sound, I think we’re beyond the point where voting for any party is going to make any difference whatsoever. For me, I’m at the point where I just want to wake people up and help them to see the bigger picture.

The order of man never changes . . .

So choosing a side, while a seemingly futile endeavor, is necessary in the defense of what matters most to each of us, individually. Myself, I have chosen the side of good, of righteousness—which is the preservation of the human race (for as long as it can be preserved) which in turn satisfies my desire to protect family, freedom, country and the rest. I did not create the republican party, it was there when I was born, will persist after my death. However, for the moment, flawed as it might be, the republican party both is as close to sharing my philosophy as possible and stands in opposition to the destruction of my family, my fellow human beings, my country and the rest. Whether or not the republicans are greed chasing hedonistic monsters or not or are in bed with the democrats, they're the less severe overlords, at least on paper and for now.

Ok, I can see we’re on two very different pages here. While I agree that we should be on the side of good and righteousness, we clearly disagree on the Republican Party and the condition of the world in general. You seem to think that things are not that bad, and that if we just vote for the right party, we can get things back to normal.

The powers-that-be have openly admitted that we’re never going back to normal. We are entering into a new world system. Economically, politically, in just about every way.

I strongly disagree with your “we have to go with the less severe overlords” mindset. Why should we? That is precisely why we’re in the mess we’re in today, because the public has been continually manipulated into voting for what they think is the “lesser of two evils.” The powers-that-be purposely set it up in that way, they have candidates on either side, so they win either way. If doesn’t matter if one is slightly less evil, they are still evil, and sold out! Why participate in that deceptive game at all? It only helps those pulling the strings when we do what we’ve been manipulated to do.

It’s better to stand on principle, not party or politician. The more people refuse to participate in their corrupt system, the better. We can have strength in numbers, and we can at least try to make a difference, for freedom, truth and justice, by opting out of anything corrupt and authoritarian.

Then again, your hybrid nihilism is showing through just a bit although you disguise it well. You want to claim all sides are equally evil, are all heads attached to the same hydra, which leaves little room for anything but intellectual or physical suicide as the only out—the only victory— in the end. Which cycles us back to choosing one of those evil sides or heads to which to swear allegiance. Standing alone in the cold shadow of ultimate truth in knowing one's place in the cosmos is quite a desolate place to live.

Me? I believe in my country and its ability to right itself no matter how wrong may be the pursuits of our masters. I also possess unwavering faith in my God. Salvation of the flesh notwithstanding I've served my nation for nearly three decades and in exchange received training on par with the greatest unconventional warriors in human history. I have great faith in those capabilities as well. We must believe we're immortal until we're six feet under. The grave believes in nothing.

Respectfully, I would argue it is you who have fallen into a trap. The trap that is living a life of recursive suspicion to the extreme that you doubt all masters to the point of never choosing any side or standing for anything greater than your individual self because everyone and everything is part of the same plot out to deceive you. While it is true we are universes unto ourselves, our minds that is, no man or woman can survive for long as an island in a sea of writhing, filthy humanity.

No, I am not a nihilist in any way, shape or form! I oppose nihilism. Being for freedom does not mean being for nihilism. I am a Christian, so I am for law and order, but not unjust laws or corrupt authoritarianism disguised as “law and order.”

And I never claimed, thought or even implied "all sides are evil." That is a misrepresentation of my position. I said that both major parties are controlled by the same people. Not everyone within those parties, mind you, there are still a few decent people in politics. But when I said both parties are controlled by the same people, I meant overall, especially at the higher levels. That is not the same thing as saying that all sides are equally evil. There are more sides than just Republican and Democrat.

I am not the one who is fallen into a trap, as I said in my previous post, the opposite is true. I freed myself from the trap long ago, when I realized that the corruption and subversion is FAR worse than most people realize.

And again, I never said that I’m not on any side. I am on the side of freedom, truth and justice. I am on the side that opposes the NWO and the lies and deception. I don’t need to participate in a corrupt farce of a system, to be on a side. My side is against that phony corrupt system that has been manipulating people to support their own enslavement, basically.

As times goes on, the things I’m saying will become more and more obvious. Mark my words.

 

[SeaGal]

Well, if you're talking about a portion of the country seceding from the union - becoming an autonomous country for example, no matter how small - I think there might be precedent for presidential action to prevent that.

That said - imho, unless Federal help is requested the Feds should stay out of it and let the locals sort it out - and let them reap the 'benefits' or the 'blame'.