I Don't Get How God Is Supposed To Be A Loving God...

...but gives children to animals.

Police: 3-year-old girl kept in closet, offered for sex

I remember a song in Sunday School about how Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world, but for the life of me I don't remember the teacher ever explaining just how that love includes giving the innocent babies of the world to people who go out of their way to make those same beloved children suffer.

Any God that allows this to go on isn't a god worth worshipping.

Sadly, it is these things that make us first question. Then if we follow it, we find that there is no god, at least not one like Bible describes.

Honestly though, it is the yearning for cosmic revenge that drives people to create a god. They want people like this punished in the afterlife.
 
Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.

So you blame this on a god you say doesn't exist.

And you think you are actually sane?
 
How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.



God doesn't know what anyone will choose in their future, except by reading the heart right then, he does not know in advance. Only teachers of darkness teach that-- Gods word is clear in the nt---God desires all to repent--that is his hope--he wouldn't have that hope if he already knew, and besides that--this whole system would just be a waste of time if everyones outcome was already decided.

God is the Alpha and the Omega. He sees the end from the beginning, and proved it by making 1/4 of the Bible prophecy. Not only does he know your every move, as far as your sins (past, present and future) are concerned, He paid for every single one of them 2,000 years ago.
Because His desire is to see all repent, doesn't mean He doesn't already know who will and who won't. That some won't doesn't change His desire, or our ability to make the decision.

God created hell for demons and their leader. He created Eden for humans. Then at great cost, made it possible for us to avoid hell by replacing our sin with His son's righteousness, and then He and His Son handed it to us as a gift. What more do you require?


You would be better off listening to what Jesus taught on the matter-Matthew7:21-23--only those living now to do Gods will, get to enter his kingdom--Jesus taught it will be-FEW
a Worker of iniquity = a practicer of sin--this is judgement scenario--one does not want to hear--Get away from me, I must confess I never even knew you. these words are truth.
A righteous person practices not sinning-Ephesians 4:22-24




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When Adam and Eve sinned God covered them temporarily in the blood of an animal. When the Jews sinned God covered their sin temporarily with the blood of an animal. Then He covered those who belong to Him once and for all with His pure blood. A gift for all who wish to accept it. And for those who do, their sins He remembers no more. That refers to the sins I committed yesterday, the sins I committed today and the ones I will commit in the future. An exchange took place at the cross. I am the righteousness of Christ. As He is in Heaven, so I am on earth. That is what our Father sees.

A worker and a practicer are actively participating. They don't have repentant hearts. A new creature in Christ does Christ's work. But even if they fail, God doesn't abandon them, He lifts them up. Our salvation is judged on Christ's work. Not ours. If you never do a good work in your life, but believe in Christ, you are Heaven bound. Because it isn't about you. It's all about His Son. There is nothing you can do to add to Christ's work. Just believe and thank Him.
Keep in mind that Matthew was a Jew, ministering to Jews. And sadly it will be few that will enter the kingdom. How popular is Christ now a days? For those who do enter it will be on Christ's record, not our own.
 
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Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.

So you blame this on a god you say doesn't exist.

And you think you are actually sane?

You are a special kind of stupid aren't you. Horses are nervous around someone like you. And you don't know why.
 
It even gets a lot worse than that:

1. God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide. In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call. In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death. In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered. In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice. In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods. In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow. In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism. In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter. According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.


In Other Words The whole thing was written by old timers who were trying to gain recognition and lived up to their sheep and camel herding experiences. Witch hunts and holy miracles keep folks busy :biggrin:

Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
Without consequences, there is no free will. What you are demanding is for God to step in to prevent the consequences of evil. He doesn't need excuses, the ones that need excuses are the ones doing the evil. And once you get started, where do you stop? Thousands die every year from drunk driving. Should God step in and guide every drunk driver's car safely home? Should He step in and undo the damage of long term drug usage? What about sky diving? Should He make sure every parachute opens safely and no one gets hurt? Should every bridge jumper land safely instead of dying? What you want is paradise and freedom from consequences, and this isn't it.

Bottom line, we made this mess, we have to live in it, for now.

How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.

You've been told this before but you still rave and rage. Everyone goes to hell. Hell is simply the grave. Even a saved person goes to hell (the grave) No one is burning away in a place of fiery punishment and torture. The dead are dead and will stay dead until called forth in resurrection.

Why can't you accept the obvious?
 
Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
Without consequences, there is no free will. What you are demanding is for God to step in to prevent the consequences of evil. He doesn't need excuses, the ones that need excuses are the ones doing the evil. And once you get started, where do you stop? Thousands die every year from drunk driving. Should God step in and guide every drunk driver's car safely home? Should He step in and undo the damage of long term drug usage? What about sky diving? Should He make sure every parachute opens safely and no one gets hurt? Should every bridge jumper land safely instead of dying? What you want is paradise and freedom from consequences, and this isn't it.

Bottom line, we made this mess, we have to live in it, for now.

How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.

You've been told this before but you still rave and rage. Everyone goes to hell. Hell is simply the grave. Even a saved person goes to hell (the grave) No one is burning away in a place of fiery punishment and torture. The dead are dead and will stay dead until called forth in resurrection.

Why can't you accept the obvious?
Hey, go to your church and during bible study have everyone do a test, a simple test about the different parts of the bible, Adam and Eve if it was literal, Noah's flood, what original sin is, why there are inconsistencies in the first 2 chapters of Genesis, who are sons of God and daughters of man, was satanism really the snake in the garden , do you go to heaven or hell or the grave as you put it before judgement. I think you will be surprised that none of the answers will be the same. I think you will be surprised what some people believe and what some do not believe. The point I want to show you is that there is no consistency in religion which means it has no merit. And these people supposedly have studied the bible for decades and they all have different answers.

I did this when a long time ago for baptist, Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics, needless to say I am never welcomed back to any of those churches but everyone in the same religion had different answers and they all got mad at each other. Lol it was quite humorous. Now these people supposedly studied the bible every week, some said everyday and they just had one book to study.

I went to college and studied multiple books in physics for a semester, just a semester and almost everyone had the same answers and and most of us passed the tests.

Religion is not supposed to change but it does every generation. A few hundred years ago most Christians believed in pre destiny, now some say free will. And some today say predestined for god but it is free will for man. It follows a pattern of making it up as you go. Which to me is false and no truths can be gleaned from this type of lazy reasoning or more precisely no reasoning whatsoever.
 
Without consequences, there is no free will. What you are demanding is for God to step in to prevent the consequences of evil. He doesn't need excuses, the ones that need excuses are the ones doing the evil. And once you get started, where do you stop? Thousands die every year from drunk driving. Should God step in and guide every drunk driver's car safely home? Should He step in and undo the damage of long term drug usage? What about sky diving? Should He make sure every parachute opens safely and no one gets hurt? Should every bridge jumper land safely instead of dying? What you want is paradise and freedom from consequences, and this isn't it.

Bottom line, we made this mess, we have to live in it, for now.

How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.

You've been told this before but you still rave and rage. Everyone goes to hell. Hell is simply the grave. Even a saved person goes to hell (the grave) No one is burning away in a place of fiery punishment and torture. The dead are dead and will stay dead until called forth in resurrection.

Why can't you accept the obvious?
Hey, go to your church and during bible study have everyone do a test, a simple test about the different parts of the bible, Adam and Eve if it was literal, Noah's flood, what original sin is, why there are inconsistencies in the first 2 chapters of Genesis, who are sons of God and daughters of man, was satanism really the snake in the garden , do you go to heaven or hell or the grave as you put it before judgement. I think you will be surprised that none of the answers will be the same. I think you will be surprised what some people believe and what some do not believe. The point I want to show you is that there is no consistency in religion which means it has no merit. And these people supposedly have studied the bible for decades and they all have different answers.

I did this when a long time ago for baptist, Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics, needless to say I am never welcomed back to any of those churches but everyone in the same religion had different answers and they all got mad at each other. Lol it was quite humorous. Now these people supposedly studied the bible every week, some said everyday and they just had one book to study.

I went to college and studied multiple books in physics for a semester, just a semester and almost everyone had the same answers and and most of us passed the tests.

Religion is not supposed to change but it does every generation. A few hundred years ago most Christians believed in pre destiny, now some say free will. And some today say predestined for god but it is free will for man. It follows a pattern of making it up as you go. Which to me is false and no truths can be gleaned from this type of lazy reasoning or more precisely no reasoning whatsoever.

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Hey, go to your church and during bible study have everyone do a test, a simple test about the different parts of the bible, Adam and Eve if it was literal, Noah's flood, what original sin is, why there are inconsistencies in the first 2 chapters of Genesis, who are sons of God and daughters of man, was satanism really the snake in the garden , do you go to heaven or hell or the grave as you put it before judgement. I think you will be surprised that none of the answers will be the same. I think you will be surprised what some people believe and what some do not believe. The point I want to show you is that there is no consistency in religion which means it has no merit. And these people supposedly have studied the bible for decades and they all have different answers.

I did this when a long time ago for baptist, Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics, needless to say I am never welcomed back to any of those churches but everyone in the same religion had different answers and they all got mad at each other. Lol it was quite humorous. Now these people supposedly studied the bible every week, some said everyday and they just had one book to study.

I went to college and studied multiple books in physics for a semester, just a semester and almost everyone had the same answers and and most of us passed the tests.

Religion is not supposed to change but it does every generation. A few hundred years ago most Christians believed in pre destiny, now some say free will. And some today say predestined for god but it is free will for man. It follows a pattern of making it up as you go. Which to me is false and no truths can be gleaned from this type of lazy reasoning or more precisely no reasoning whatsoever.

A few things to consider:

Science, medicine, language, history, politics, art--even geography and math--have all changed-developed-evolved through the years. So has religion.

Down through the ages, whether it has been science, medicine, language, sports, history, politics, art--or religion--different people have held different points of view, or spoken different languages.

Anything that draws the multitudes (and their money) be it science, medicine, history, politics art--or religion--is going to have people reaching for a piece of that pie, trying to dress their slice up as different or unique in order to draw the most to them.

People who care about any or all of the above mentioned are going to lean towards the science, history, language, medicine, art--or religion--that appeals to them, follows their logic and experience, and is of use in their lives. Just as some will choose to toss, science, history, art, different languages as being unimportant to the life they are leading, some will choose to toss out religion. Some will choose to make it just as much a part of their lives as they make art, medicine, politics, sports, or aboriginal history a part of their lives.
 
It even gets a lot worse than that:

1. God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide. In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call. In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death. In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered. In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice. In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods. In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow. In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism. In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter. According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.


In Other Words The whole thing was written by old timers who were trying to gain recognition and lived up to their sheep and camel herding experiences. Witch hunts and holy miracles keep folks busy :biggrin:

Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
Without consequences, there is no free will. What you are demanding is for God to step in to prevent the consequences of evil. He doesn't need excuses, the ones that need excuses are the ones doing the evil. And once you get started, where do you stop? Thousands die every year from drunk driving. Should God step in and guide every drunk driver's car safely home? Should He step in and undo the damage of long term drug usage? What about sky diving? Should He make sure every parachute opens safely and no one gets hurt? Should every bridge jumper land safely instead of dying? What you want is paradise and freedom from consequences, and this isn't it.

Bottom line, we made this mess, we have to live in it, for now.

How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.
Do you realize that what you are agitating for is mankind to be nothing more than a bunch of people programmed to serve God and incapable of doing otherwise?
 
Without consequences, there is no free will. What you are demanding is for God to step in to prevent the consequences of evil. He doesn't need excuses, the ones that need excuses are the ones doing the evil. And once you get started, where do you stop? Thousands die every year from drunk driving. Should God step in and guide every drunk driver's car safely home? Should He step in and undo the damage of long term drug usage? What about sky diving? Should He make sure every parachute opens safely and no one gets hurt? Should every bridge jumper land safely instead of dying? What you want is paradise and freedom from consequences, and this isn't it.

Bottom line, we made this mess, we have to live in it, for now.

How does a 'perfect' being create such an imperfect creation.

Your mind simply builds mental scaffolding to support your belief in the face of ANY evidence that that belief is wholly without merit.

YOUR need to believe overrides reality.

Which is also why we have Isis.
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.

You've been told this before but you still rave and rage. Everyone goes to hell. Hell is simply the grave. Even a saved person goes to hell (the grave) No one is burning away in a place of fiery punishment and torture. The dead are dead and will stay dead until called forth in resurrection.

Why can't you accept the obvious?
Hey, go to your church and during bible study have everyone do a test, a simple test about the different parts of the bible, Adam and Eve if it was literal, Noah's flood, what original sin is, why there are inconsistencies in the first 2 chapters of Genesis, who are sons of God and daughters of man, was satanism really the snake in the garden , do you go to heaven or hell or the grave as you put it before judgement. I think you will be surprised that none of the answers will be the same. I think you will be surprised what some people believe and what some do not believe. The point I want to show you is that there is no consistency in religion which means it has no merit. And these people supposedly have studied the bible for decades and they all have different answers.

I did this when a long time ago for baptist, Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics, needless to say I am never welcomed back to any of those churches but everyone in the same religion had different answers and they all got mad at each other. Lol it was quite humorous. Now these people supposedly studied the bible every week, some said everyday and they just had one book to study.

I went to college and studied multiple books in physics for a semester, just a semester and almost everyone had the same answers and and most of us passed the tests.

Religion is not supposed to change but it does every generation. A few hundred years ago most Christians believed in pre destiny, now some say free will. And some today say predestined for god but it is free will for man. It follows a pattern of making it up as you go. Which to me is false and no truths can be gleaned from this type of lazy reasoning or more precisely no reasoning whatsoever.

Somehow, that is God's fault? I agree there is an awful lot of false doctrine preached in the churches. Religion is man made but Christianity is Christ made. No church or man can save you. Most of them will lead you astray. You must seek out your own salvation. The best way to do that is to study the Bible yourself and see for yourself what it says. Don't depend on me or anyone else to tell you what it says. Be responsible for your own salvation.
 
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.



God doesn't know what anyone will choose in their future, except by reading the heart right then, he does not know in advance. Only teachers of darkness teach that-- Gods word is clear in the nt---God desires all to repent--that is his hope--he wouldn't have that hope if he already knew, and besides that--this whole system would just be a waste of time if everyones outcome was already decided.

God is the Alpha and the Omega. He sees the end from the beginning, and proved it by making 1/4 of the Bible prophecy. Not only does he know your every move, as far as your sins (past, present and future) are concerned, He paid for every single one of them 2,000 years ago.
Because His desire is to see all repent, doesn't mean He doesn't already know who will and who won't. That some won't doesn't change His desire, or our ability to make the decision.

God created hell for demons and their leader. He created Eden for humans. Then at great cost, made it possible for us to avoid hell by replacing our sin with His son's righteousness, and then He and His Son handed it to us as a gift. What more do you require?


You would be better off listening to what Jesus taught on the matter-Matthew7:21-23--only those living now to do Gods will, get to enter his kingdom--Jesus taught it will be-FEW
a Worker of iniquity = a practicer of sin--this is judgement scenario--one does not want to hear--Get away from me, I must confess I never even knew you. these words are truth.
A righteous person practices not sinning-Ephesians 4:22-24




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When Adam and Eve sinned God covered them temporarily in the blood of an animal. When the Jews sinned God covered their sin temporarily with the blood of an animal. Then He covered those who belong to Him once and for all with His pure blood. A gift for all who wish to accept it. And for those who do, their sins He remembers no more. That refers to the sins I committed yesterday, the sins I committed today and the ones I will commit in the future. An exchange took place at the cross. I am the righteousness of Christ. As He is in Heaven, so I am on earth. That is what our Father sees.

A worker and a practicer are actively participating. They don't have repentant hearts. A new creature in Christ does Christ's work. But even if they fail, God doesn't abandon them, He lifts them up. Our salvation is judged on Christ's work. Not ours. If you never do a good work in your life, but believe in Christ, you are Heaven bound. Because it isn't about you. It's all about His Son. There is nothing you can do to add to Christ's work. Just believe and thank Him.
Keep in mind that Matthew was a Jew, ministering to Jews. And sadly it will be few that will enter the kingdom. How popular is Christ now a days? For those who do enter it will be on Christ's record, not our own.

Very good. Yes, any covenant God enters into is a blood covenant. Without the shedding of blood there is no covenant. Marriage is a good example. God performed the first marriage. The shedding of blood via the shredding of the female hymen is a blood contract or covenant between the man and his wife. Christ was without sin. Only He was worthy to save all mankind from their sins. He was the unblemished sacrificial lamb.
 
By the time God flooded the earth there were only 8 human beings whose bloodline had not been tainted by demons. The men, women, children and animals that were destroyed were hybrids, and really nasty hybrids at that.
God gave us Eden, a perfect playground for His children, and we screwed it up right from the git go. Even so, He will create it for us again after our free will takes us to the brink of destruction.
God never said you wouldn't experience trouble here on earth, He said He'd get you through it. This vengeful God, just waiting to kill you if you step out of line does not exist. There are no lines where God is concerned. There is no behavior He won't forgive if you ask to be forgiven.
I had a wonderful, really wonderful Daddy, but if I disobeyed, I was punished in some manner. And He loved me more than anyone on earth. Our Heavenly Father not only forgives us, but forgives us while we are in the act. And if you accept his gift of salvation,< (where He came here and took our punishment in our place) then He forgives all of our trespasses at once, and erases them from His memory. To Him, you're perfect. All He wants is to love and spoil His children. Let Him. :)



You are mistaken sir-- Only repented sin is forgiven. Repentence = the stopping of the doing of a sin.
Hebrews 10:26--no sacrifice left( Jesus') for any who practice sin.
Jesus says the same basically--Matt 7:22-23

1John 3-- a mirror--- teaches who are Gods children and who are the devils children, it teaches----Its impossible for a child of God to practice even one sin.
So I would say, when Jesus said a few times--GO SIN NO MORE-- he meant it.

I just punch like a guy. I'm really a little girl.
To Re-pent means to return to the highest level. As in Penthouse. You are a child of the Most High. That was your highest level. That is where you started out, and where you return. It isn't about behavior modification, but about heart transformation.
Have you ever done something that you wish more than anything you hadn't done? You hate that you did it and would never do it again? THAT is repentance. You have had a change of heart from when you committed the deed, and that leads to a shift in your behavior.

If you look at the Exodus, not only did the Jews not repent, they whined and sinned all the way to Sinai and God forgave them while they were sinning and provided for them without one sorry or thank you being uttered. That is our loving Father.
It is impossible for a child of God not to sin. All have sinned and fallen short, and that includes the sins a Christian will commit tomorrow. We have a sin nature. David, Moses, Paul, Samson, Peter, you, me. Samson belong to God from birth, but it was his death that awarded him a spot in God's Hall of Faith. His behavior was atrocious. Same with David, the apple of God's eye. He belonged to God from the womb, but committed adultery and murder anyway. It was David's repentant heart that God loved so.

Sin is a blood issue. We caught it from our grandparents, Adam and Eve, and the only thing that removes it is a pure blood transfusion. That was accomplished at the cross.


At 1Cor 6:9-11--it makes the statement--- this is what some of you were= past tense--they repented and stopped doing the sins. that is true repentence. otherwise it says--- those who practice those sins--will not enter Gods kingdom.
 
Send this to Trump.....and execute these two worthless beings

It even gets a lot worse than that:

1. God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide. In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call. In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death. In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered. In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice. In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods. In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow. In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism. In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter. According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.


In Other Words The whole thing was written by old timers who were trying to gain recognition and lived up to their sheep and camel herding experiences. Witch hunts and holy miracles keep folks busy :biggrin:

Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
God didn't have a hand in it. That's the work of Satan.

Correct, God is not the creator of evil and suffering. God gave us free will and it is abused
why call it free will, when anything not sanctioned by him is bad?
 
Send this to Trump.....and execute these two worthless beings

It even gets a lot worse than that:

1. God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide. In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call. In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death. In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered. In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice. In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods. In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow. In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism. In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter. According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.


In Other Words The whole thing was written by old timers who were trying to gain recognition and lived up to their sheep and camel herding experiences. Witch hunts and holy miracles keep folks busy :biggrin:

Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
God didn't have a hand in it. That's the work of Satan.

Correct, God is not the creator of evil and suffering. God gave us free will and it is abused
why call it free will, when anything not sanctioned by him is bad?

One has free will to be evil or do bad things, nobody is forcing them to do it
 
He created perfection with the allowance for rebellion. It sounds like you would have preferred He create mankind as a bunch of robots, programmed to follow Him, with no choice allowed. That's obviously not what He did.

Yeah we hear this 'free will' nonsense all the time, it is THE favorite dodge for 'believers'.

If 'god' is all knowing he knows what every single person will do in the future without error. He knows who will go to hell before he creates them. Yet he creates them anyway.

He creates humans TO go to hell.

The circular illogic it takes to believe in this nonsense is just a Mt Everest of steaming crap. And that goes for all 'religions'.



God doesn't know what anyone will choose in their future, except by reading the heart right then, he does not know in advance. Only teachers of darkness teach that-- Gods word is clear in the nt---God desires all to repent--that is his hope--he wouldn't have that hope if he already knew, and besides that--this whole system would just be a waste of time if everyones outcome was already decided.

God is the Alpha and the Omega. He sees the end from the beginning, and proved it by making 1/4 of the Bible prophecy. Not only does he know your every move, as far as your sins (past, present and future) are concerned, He paid for every single one of them 2,000 years ago.
Because His desire is to see all repent, doesn't mean He doesn't already know who will and who won't. That some won't doesn't change His desire, or our ability to make the decision.

God created hell for demons and their leader. He created Eden for humans. Then at great cost, made it possible for us to avoid hell by replacing our sin with His son's righteousness, and then He and His Son handed it to us as a gift. What more do you require?


You would be better off listening to what Jesus taught on the matter-Matthew7:21-23--only those living now to do Gods will, get to enter his kingdom--Jesus taught it will be-FEW
a Worker of iniquity = a practicer of sin--this is judgement scenario--one does not want to hear--Get away from me, I must confess I never even knew you. these words are truth.
A righteous person practices not sinning-Ephesians 4:22-24




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When Adam and Eve sinned God covered them temporarily in the blood of an animal. When the Jews sinned God covered their sin temporarily with the blood of an animal. Then He covered those who belong to Him once and for all with His pure blood. A gift for all who wish to accept it. And for those who do, their sins He remembers no more. That refers to the sins I committed yesterday, the sins I committed today and the ones I will commit in the future. An exchange took place at the cross. I am the righteousness of Christ. As He is in Heaven, so I am on earth. That is what our Father sees.

A worker and a practicer are actively participating. They don't have repentant hearts. A new creature in Christ does Christ's work. But even if they fail, God doesn't abandon them, He lifts them up. Our salvation is judged on Christ's work. Not ours. If you never do a good work in your life, but believe in Christ, you are Heaven bound. Because it isn't about you. It's all about His Son. There is nothing you can do to add to Christ's work. Just believe and thank Him.
Keep in mind that Matthew was a Jew, ministering to Jews. And sadly it will be few that will enter the kingdom. How popular is Christ now a days? For those who do enter it will be on Christ's record, not our own.


At 1John 3-- teaches who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil---it says---Its impossible for a child of God to practice even one sin.
1Cor 6:9-11---- makes the statement---this is what some of you were= past tense, not current--it as well teaches any who practice any of these sins--will not enter Gods kingdom-- so true repentence = the stopping of the doing of a sin. Galations 5:19-21 teaches the same
Hebrews 10:26--Paul teaches--Jesus sacrifice does not cover any who practice sin.
Jesus meant it when he taught a few times--GO SIN NO MORE.
 
It even gets a lot worse than that:

1. God drowns the whole earth. In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn. In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them. In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide. In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity. In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god. In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks. In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death. In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears. In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call. In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death. In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered. In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice. In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet. In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods. In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point. In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow. In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism. In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter. According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.


In Other Words The whole thing was written by old timers who were trying to gain recognition and lived up to their sheep and camel herding experiences. Witch hunts and holy miracles keep folks busy :biggrin:

Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
God didn't have a hand in it. That's the work of Satan.

Correct, God is not the creator of evil and suffering. God gave us free will and it is abused
why call it free will, when anything not sanctioned by him is bad?

One has free will to be evil or do bad things, nobody is forcing them to do it
but what im saying is, why would he bother to do it when anything he doesn't sanction, is punishable? Was it just a sick joke or something?
 
Holly hell. So he didn't REALLY rest on the Sabbath.

Add to this, he watched with arms folded as 12 million men, women, and children were marched into sealed concrete rooms and gassed to death, most of them knowing what was happening and screaming for mercy. The young children were picked up and tossed on top of the adults that were packed in like sardines so as to get as many in one gassing as possible. A few survivors said when they opened the doors they would see mothers standing upright dead, holding their baby in their arms dead, both purple and the eyes open.

If you can come up with an excuse for this god then you are the best lawyer in the universe and Satan is an apprenctice.
God didn't have a hand in it. That's the work of Satan.

Correct, God is not the creator of evil and suffering. God gave us free will and it is abused
why call it free will, when anything not sanctioned by him is bad?

One has free will to be evil or do bad things, nobody is forcing them to do it
but what im saying is, why would he bother to do it when anything he doesn't sanction, is punishable? Was it just a sick joke or something?

Excuse me? God is not a sick joke. He made rules, follow the rules or pay the penalty
 

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