I am a confused guy..some woman please tell me what's going on?

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

 

[Wyatt earp]

I just don't get it..some girl please explain it to me..

 

[Likkmee]

It's in style and it's mostly has-beens looking for attention. Oprah interviews at 10

 

[DarkFury]

It's for the money and attention. Just a bunch of look at me! Here's my victim card!

 

[emilynghiem]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Why are you pretending to be confused?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Why are you pretending to be confused?

It's no pretending because I am confused.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

Thanks Emily for trying to explain it, the worse I got was when I had a beautiful girl pass out drunk at my house and I just stole her a kiss and put her to bed and I went into mine..

Or the time this really cute girl I knew just as a "freind" grabbed my hand out of the blue when we where going into a haunted house, she was scared and I held her hand..but once we got out i think I pissed her off , by releasing her hand..when we got out..

 

[Pop23]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Where I grew up, If any male, no matter his status, did what RM is accused of doing, he would have had the crap beat out of him and rode out of town on a rail. That is exactly why I don't believe half of what's being pushed as reality.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

I read this post again Emily, I appreciate it, I really do from a girls perspective.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Where I grew up, If any male, no matter his status, did what RM is accused of doing, he would have had the crap beat out of him and rode out of town on a rail. That is exactly why I don't believe half of what's being pushed as reality.

Exactly pop, if I was her dad/brother/friend I would personally beat the crap out of him..


The evidence is clear, you don't do this..

 

[Pop23]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Where I grew up, If any male, no matter his status, did what RM is accused of doing, he would have had the crap beat out of him and rode out of town on a rail. That is exactly why I don't believe half of what's being pushed as reality.

Exactly pop, if I was her dad/brother/friend I would personally beat the crap out of him..


The evidence is clear, you don't do this..


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It is the question that the progressives asked when they heard the tape that Billy Bush supplied the Media:

If you can't Trust Trump with your daughter how could you trust your daughters future to him, although there are only unproven allegations.

I ask, if you can't trust your sleeping daughter with Al Franken, then how can the progressive left support leaving him with the ability to play a part in their futures? And we have a photo!

Even if there was no touch, the photo was taken to demean the woman, it was sick. And the sickest part was that he kept it and obviously distributed it.

I am not seeing a concerted effort by the left to drive Franken out. Where's the Million Women march?

hear those crickets?

 

[emilynghiem]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

Thanks Emily for trying to explain it, the worse I got was when I had a beautiful girl pass out drunk at my house and I just stole her a kiss and put her to bed and I went into mine..

Or the time this really cute girl I knew just as a "freind" grabbed my hand out of the blue when we where going into a haunted house, she was scared and I held her hand..but once we got out i think I pissed her off , by releasing her hand..when we got out..

Well bear513 Maybe your momma brought you up right. They say you can predict how a man will treat you as his wife by how he treats his mother or sisters.

Some ppl don't have dads at home or they only hear parents complain and abuse each other.

This subject of how men treat women in relations came up at work. The younger men basically expected guys to cheat on their partners but expect the women to be faithful or they'd leave them. I asked what kind of man would you prefer your daughter to date. One young father answered honestly he expected the young men his daughter will date will be pigs like him and he will have to clobber and kick their asses. They just expect men to act like that have no respect for relations, because that's all they've seen amng themsrlves and their Peers.

Thank God it took me and another coworker they respected to say no, you don't want to act like dogs. You don't want your kids to grow up like that and repeat these same hard ships in relationships. So the men started listening and asking how do you communicate and make sure ppl are equally respectful of each other's expectations and not to lie and do stuff you have to cover up.

One man actually said it hurt his feelings to be called a dog. But that's the first time he had to think about what he looks like in the minds of ppl he respected. So they heard a resounding no. So glad we had that talk because these were adult men and hearing this fir the first time not to screw up your relations that way!

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

I hope every girl comes out and starts saying something, because now I am understanding, I can't do anything unless I know their is a problem...

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

Thanks Emily for trying to explain it, the worse I got was when I had a beautiful girl pass out drunk at my house and I just stole her a kiss and put her to bed and I went into mine..

Or the time this really cute girl I knew just as a "freind" grabbed my hand out of the blue when we where going into a haunted house, she was scared and I held her hand..but once we got out i think I pissed her off , by releasing her hand..when we got out..

Well bear513 Maybe your momma brought you up right. They say you can predict how a man will treat you as his wife by how he treats his mother or sisters.

Some ppl don't have dads at home or they only hear parents complain and abuse each other.

This subject of how men treat women in relations came up at work. The younger men basically expected guys to cheat on their partners but expect the women to be faithful or they'd leave them. I asked what kind of man would you prefer your daughter to date. One young father answered honestly he expected the young men his daughter will date will be pigs like him and he will have to clobber and kick their asses. They just expect men to act like that have no respect for relations, because that's all they've seen amng themsrlves and their Peers.

Thank God it took me and another coworker they respected to say no, you don't want to act like dogs. You don't want your kids to grow up like that and repeat these same hard ships in relationships. So the men started listening and asking how do you communicate and make sure ppl are equally respectful of each other's expectations and not to lie and do stuff you have to cover up.

One man actually said it hurt his feelings to be called a dog. But that's the first time he had to think about what he looks like in the minds of ppl he respected. So they heard a resounding no. So glad we had that talk because these were adult men and hearing this fir the first time not to screw up your relations that way!

Yup I hear this stuff a lot and it gets on my nerves, I just thought it was just locker room talk, I didn't know guys really did it in real life..

 

[LoneLaugher]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Why are you pretending to be confused?

It's no pretending because I am confused.

Please. Listen to he women who are explaining it to you. Don’t dismiss their comments out of hand. They are telling you the truth.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Sometimes it just takes one or two to start the avalanche. Whatever it takes. That's what has happened. Good. And long overdue, clearly.

Kinda like taking your finger out of the dyke to start a flood.










Okay, maybe that wasn't a good choice of words there.
.

 

[MindWars]

All those who accuse are Trump haters haven't you noticed then connect it to all of them are feminist then connect hollywood getting caught then connect the money and power, then connect it's being engineered for many other reasons ............

Dinesh D'Souza on Twitter

 

[Slash]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

It's something they finally no longer feel that victims should be quiet about. Think back to the 60's. Blacks and minorities had been treated like shit for decades. But as one stood up and then another and another those stories of racism came out and people were called out. Same a couple decades ago with homosexuals. They started calling out those that harrassed and hurt them because of their sex choice. Now that time has come for sexual harrassment. Those sick fucks who sexually assault women and children like Spacey and Moore are getting called out.
I mean we've got all this evidence, people caught on audio saying that's what they do, people in pictures, people banned from malls and signing children's yearbooks, and a few actually admitting that's what they did. Yet people will still sit there and attack the victims. No crap there's not much good that comes from coming out. There's a lot of sick perverts out there. This is just backing up what sexual violence statistics have been telling us for decades. Just now there is less anonymity and people are having to answer for their actions. That's great I think. Keep those sick twisted fucks answering for what they did. Don't force yourself into silence about what they did to you.

 

[MindWars]

All those who accuse are Trump haters haven't you noticed then connect it to all of them are feminist then connect hollywood getting caught then connect the money and power, then connect it's being engineered for many other reasons ............

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Dinesh D'Souza on Twitter

But today's Trump haters sure didn't believe it when their Rapist BILL CLINTON has accusers