I am a confused guy..some woman please tell me what's going on?

[Wyatt earp]

So I guess we head back to the 19th century and show no sexuality at all outside of marriage. The fundies win.

Mathew when you dress up as a girl, do you want This?

 

[Wyatt earp]

So I guess we head back to the 19th century and show no sexuality at all outside of marriage. The fundies win.

So let me get this straight we give up on unions, economic liberalism and now we're giving up on everything we did in the 1960s into the 1970's. lol. We liberals are fucking weird.

You said it not me

 

[Fang]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

So... you have a boyfriend and you left dirty panties over another guys house? Uh OK.

So moving on, this guy mistakes this as a sign from you and you say it isn't. You still haven't resolved this with him because he can't see your point of view. The million dollar question... Why do you still consider this guy your friend? Does your boyfriend know all this? smh

 

[Syriusly]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

So you aren't a girl- and you have never spoken with any women before.

My wife can tell great stories of how she was harrassed while working in restaurants- from managers coming on to her, to coworkers grabbing her as she went by. Some she confronted (when she was 16 years old and her first restaurant job- and the manager grabbed her- she announced it in the middle of the restaurant before she walked out)- some she let slide- because she needed the paycheck.

My sister has had similar experiences.

I am hoping that my daughter never does.

And that is what this is all about.

Not in depth like this, I never ask a girl this question before..

I remember when I was like 16 years old working at Arbys in the mall and three girls came running in saying they were being harassed by a bunch of thugs, I threw down my hat and said wait here I will take care of them..

I ran out the store and confronted them I whent right to the leader of the pack and I took him on..

I was waiting for a punch so I can knocked him on his ass..

The punch never came and I look behind me from wall to wall was a row of guys with their arms crossed ..

That's why they never threw a punch and the security guards came.

Cute story.

Perhaps you should actually try to talking to women in real life?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

Dear bear513
I am in an ongoing argument RIGHT NOW with a friend of mine
over whether he was pressuring me inappropriately
or whether as he claims, that "I" was the one hinting and hitting on him nonverbally.
He insisted that when I left some clothes at his place,
this included "dirty panties" and thus was some kind of hint
that I wanted him to hit on me, and that's why he kept insisting
and insisting even though I was saying no I have a boyfriend and not interested in that kind of relationship.

Some people like this friend of mine actually think in terms
of women as objects and everything is about what they want regardless of the woman's feelings or consent. They project what they think the woman is really saying or meaning
and that somehow justifies their response "because the woman was ASKING FOR IT"
(Another thing I noticed about this friend's perception of basing everything on the man's perspective: when he talked about rape and why abortion might be called for in some cases, he described it as the man spewing HIS load inside the woman's [body parts]. It wasn't about the man assaulting the WOMAN as if she mattered as a person, but her [body parts] were just an inanimate object where it was all about the MAN ejaculating HIS SPERM into "that thing." )

This helped me understand the MINDSET of someone who doesn't see or respect the woman as an equal person, but it's all about the MAN and everyone else is secondary to that like an object. Relationships don't matter, but what the MAN wants and how other people either serve that interest or don't.

I'm sure that women who have a similar self-serving or narcissistic personality type
also make everything about THEM and other people just serve THEIR interest or not.

But since you are talking about "men being sexist" or treating women as sex objects,
in this case I am talking about the mindset of men who think this way, because
my friend is like that and I am struggling to work with him anyway.

I still have YET to resolve this issue with my friend
who only sees things his way, and he's sure he's right
and someone I am changing or denying or not telling the truth, etc.

My consent, what I say MEANS NOTHING, it's HIS take on it that's true.

Some people are just stuck in their own thinking
and are so sure they are right and the other person's statements are invalid.

So once people overrule and just don't consider what the other person feels or says,
then that's how these other situations can happen.

As for why is all this SUDDENLYcoming out now?

It seems to be a progression.
The Cosby cases started coming out because some man made a crack at Cosby
on the comedy stage and made it safe to talk about. And by the time it was safe,
then women started all coming out and they made it safe for others to come out.

The Stanford rape case went WORLDWIDE with the raped woman in that
case making such a detailed personal statement on what the rape did to her and her life,
that advocates were able to organize support behind her, and push to remove the judge
who gave leniency to the man convicted of rape who only got 6 months while this
young woman was looking at months of deep damage and recovery and years afterwards to fully recover if ever.

Then the fact that rape accusations came out on both sides of the Trump and Clinton campaigns,
I think this really primed the audience to prepare for more and more dirt to come out
to "feed the sharks" once there was 'blood in the water.'

So once the dirt fest started, somewhere in there, the leaks from Hollywood
came out (also attributed to Weinstein losing financial monopoly type power to buy silence)
and once THOSE CELEBRITIES came out and were accepted and applauded instead of attacked,
then these other women felt braver to come out without the same fear of being attacked.

I also want to throw in some credit to people like TRISH MEILI
the Central Park jogger who not only recovered from a rape assault that
nearly killed her and required years of extensive therapy,
but became an author and speaker to help others make the most of
their lives and not get held back by fear of the impossible.

So a combination of all these people coming out with their stories
have "primed" the media and public to start doing the opposite
and EXPECTING TO BELIEVE the women and not blame the victims
as a shortcut to avoiding responsibility for addressing the causes of these problems
with rape, assault, harassment, and legal coverups for convenience or for politics.

It's been a progression, and every person who contributed to REFUSING
to be silenced has helped open the door for the next person to speak out.

The next barriers to go are
to admit the LEGAL abuse and POLITICAL abuse across the board
instead of just outting cases for more of the same political gains
and what I'd really really like to see:
to publicize the healing and cure for people with these
disorders or conflicts that cause them to abuse oppress
bully or harass others.
When the MEN can come out with SOLUTIONS to the problems
then we'll really have made progress to doing something to stop the abuse
by addressing the causes, and not expecting a quick overnight solution.

bear513 the pattern in these cases of abuse and addiction
is that these problems have been carried from previous generations.
So that's why it takes generations for these things to surface
and come out in the open. Some of the preparation to get to this point
came from the movement around the 80s where the stages of the grief process came out, the
co-dependency addiction recovery, the 12 step and other therapy
came out in the open, and people first started talking about issues instead of hiding them.

That's where people started talking more openly about
sexual abuse that has always been going on historically
but just wasn't discussed in families much less in public.

If you look back you can see the progression over time.

One added benefit from the LGBT movement is talking openly about sex in general,
including abuse. So as we get used to that openness, not only
do we see how the victims are more able to express their experiences openly,
but eventually we will be ready to hear about what it takes
for the offenders, perpetrators and predators to address
their problems and what it takes THEM to recover as well!

I really hope that the people WHO HAVE ADMITTED they need and are getting help,
such as Weinstein and Louis CK, open the door for other men to get help
and not wait too late as they did where it hurt too many people
and cost them and their families more pain and suffering as well.

There is a doctor in Texas who got caught with child porn
and has a chance of recovery from his addiction since he hadn't
acted on it with anyone physically. He just had the addiction and
got in legal trouble that counts as a felony, but is getting treatment
and has a higher chance of success at returning to a normal life after he serves time
for the felonious files found on his computers.

If we can work with the men who can recover successfully,
then the more severe cases can either be corrected or prevented.

So there is a curve here, and that's why you see cases coming
out that were happening but just weren't discussed openly until now.

People just weren't ready to face the full responsiblity and process
of what it takes to fully address and resolve the causes of these abuses.

So... you have a boyfriend and you left dirty panties over another guys house? Uh OK.

So moving on, this guy mistakes this as a sign from you and you say it isn't. You still haven't resolved this with him because he can't see your point of view. The million dollar question... Why do you still consider this guy your friend? Does your boyfriend know all this? smh

Let that one go...i read it also.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

So you aren't a girl- and you have never spoken with any women before.

My wife can tell great stories of how she was harrassed while working in restaurants- from managers coming on to her, to coworkers grabbing her as she went by. Some she confronted (when she was 16 years old and her first restaurant job- and the manager grabbed her- she announced it in the middle of the restaurant before she walked out)- some she let slide- because she needed the paycheck.

My sister has had similar experiences.

I am hoping that my daughter never does.

And that is what this is all about.

Not in depth like this, I never ask a girl this question before..

I remember when I was like 16 years old working at Arbys in the mall and three girls came running in saying they were being harassed by a bunch of thugs, I threw down my hat and said wait here I will take care of them..

I ran out the store and confronted them I whent right to the leader of the pack and I took him on..

I was waiting for a punch so I can knocked him on his ass..

The punch never came and I look behind me from wall to wall was a row of guys with their arms crossed ..

That's why they never threw a punch and the security guards came.

Cute story.

Perhaps you should actually try to talking to women in real life?

Married twice , 3 kids , 5 step kids ...so in your fucking mind a guy can't be a gentleman now?

 

[Wyatt earp]

No I have 6 step kids ..i forgot about Alayna, and she is having a baby

 

[Syriusly]

I don't get what's going on? What the heck is with all these women accusers now a days , I believe them I just don't get it, I was raised to treat women with respect, I never went around cat calling a girl, I never touched her on her bottom, I always opened doors for a woman I didn't even know..

Why is this all in the news all of a sudden?

I don't get it..

So you aren't a girl- and you have never spoken with any women before.

My wife can tell great stories of how she was harrassed while working in restaurants- from managers coming on to her, to coworkers grabbing her as she went by. Some she confronted (when she was 16 years old and her first restaurant job- and the manager grabbed her- she announced it in the middle of the restaurant before she walked out)- some she let slide- because she needed the paycheck.

My sister has had similar experiences.

I am hoping that my daughter never does.

And that is what this is all about.

Not in depth like this, I never ask a girl this question before..

I remember when I was like 16 years old working at Arbys in the mall and three girls came running in saying they were being harassed by a bunch of thugs, I threw down my hat and said wait here I will take care of them..

I ran out the store and confronted them I whent right to the leader of the pack and I took him on..

I was waiting for a punch so I can knocked him on his ass..

The punch never came and I look behind me from wall to wall was a row of guys with their arms crossed ..

That's why they never threw a punch and the security guards came.

Cute story.

Perhaps you should actually try to talking to women in real life?

Married twice , 3 kids , 5 step kids ...so in your fucking mind a guy can't be a gentleman now?

I never implied you were not or were a gentleman.

I was pointing out that based upon what you had posted here it looked like you had never talked to any women in person.

If you have been married twice- why not ask either of them if they about their expeirences- rather than USMB?

 

[MindWars]

And the LEFTIST FREAK TRUMP HATERS won't ever comprehend what's wrong with this picture.
That's why they can cry rape on anything and it's her word against his.

 

[ScienceRocks]

They either want to be treated as men or they don't.

Equal right?

They're tough enough to serve in the millitary and police force but are scared of some 40 year old fat guy? lol

So the next time that someone gropes you, you better fucking punch the fucker.