Hypocrisy Check

[Jack Fate]

For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...

...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.

He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".

Excellent point.

 

[Sheldon]

Should the church be built on the same site that was destroyed by Christian Radicals in the largest act of hatred towards innocent civilians in history?

No.

Are grass root opponents of the mega church Christophobes, or just citizens seeing this as highly inappropriate?

The latter. There would be a wide-spread cultural sensitivity to that location, and it should be respected. Put up a monument, or another tower. But any religious building on that spot would be wrong, i think.

 

[WillowTree]

For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...

...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.

He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".

damn son, you're on a roll today. remind me I owe ya some rep. can't give you anymore today..

 

[Meister]

For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...

...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.

He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".

damn son, you're on a roll today. remind me I owe ya some rep. can't give you anymore today..

I can.

 

[hortysir]

For Americans to rise above it ALL and embrace the idea of mosque near the site of 9/11 would be one of the most stunningly noble gestures in the history of religious freedom and tolerance...

...or, put another way, Americans aren't capable of acting out the ideals their country is founded upon.

He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".

damn son, you're on a roll today. remind me I owe ya some rep. can't give you anymore today..

Thomas Payne named his book appropriately

 

[ConHog]

He says of a country that just elected a black man with the middle name "Hussein".

damn son, you're on a roll today. remind me I owe ya some rep. can't give you anymore today..

I can.

Same here. I just figured out the rep thing. Sangha gonna be hurting now.

 

[Dutch]

Let's do a little thought experiment.

Let's assume that on 9/11 2001 the terrorist attack did not occur on US soil. Let's say for the sake of argument that the planes were flown into the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur by a cadre of 19 radical Christians from a fringe sect supported by massive wealth and resources who desire to destroy anything that brings wealth to Muslims and Islamic nations. In the attack over 2000 Indonesian Muslims die and it is a great national and international tragedy.

Now, 8 years later, the desire to rebuild the Petronas Towers is underway and out of the blue people realize that there are plans for a Christian Megachurch to be placed on the same location as the Petronas Towers. Of course the plan is being supported by people who don't directly support the terrorists but when you get them in private are ardent believers that what was done was the right thing. Of course in the name of tolerance, diversity and international friedship the project is okayed by the city council of Kuala Lumpur.

Should the church be built on the same site that was destroyed by Christian Radicals in the largest act of hatred towards innocent civilians in history? Are grass root opponents of the mega church Christophobes, or just citizens seeing this as highly inappropriate?

Mosque supporters are encouraged to say why they believe why or why not this is right.

"No one is known to have protested the fact that three blocks from ground zero, on Murray Street off West Broadway, there is a strip joint. It prefers to call itself a gentlemen’s club. A man stood on the street corner the other day handing out free passes to willing gentlemen."

"On Church Street, around the corner from where Cordoba House would rise, there is a store that sells pornographic videos and an assortment of sex toys. A few doors east of the planned Islamic center, there is an Off-Track Betting office. Spilling onto the sidewalk in front of it the other day were men who would have been described in my old Bronx neighborhood as degenerate gamblers."

Religion no. Lap dances yes. Hypocrisy Indeed!!


HyppNYC - An Islamic Center, and What Belongs by Ground Zero - NYTimes.com

 

[Meister]

damn son, you're on a roll today. remind me I owe ya some rep. can't give you anymore today..

I can.

Same here. I just figured out the rep thing. Sangha gonna be hurting now.

LOL....someone needs to make him the issue....he's a buffoon.

 

[ConHog]

I can.

Same here. I just figured out the rep thing. Sangha gonna be hurting now.

LOL....someone needs to make him the issue....he's a buffoon.

You notice he hasn't been near this thread since I PWNED his sorry ass by correctly pointing out that the only way they are going to have a mosque in this community center is if they build one...........LOLOL some people don't have the commons sense God gave a goose. What makes it even funnier is that in another thread he/she called out another poster for bailing on a thread in which he was supposedly pwned LOL

 

[sangha]

Catholic clergymen raped children. They shouldn't be allowed near children

Muslim extremists killed people at WTC. They shouldn't be allowed near the WTC

Religious criminals should not be allowed near their victims

Public school teachers molest more children every year than Catholic priests do (I think more even than the total number of priests accused of this), and we allow THEM near schools, so shut the fuck up with the anti-Catholic bigotry.

I would be shocked if Sangha showed back up in this thread. But isn't is funny how he/she can lecture us on being bigoted towards Muslim terrorists while at the same time being bigoted against Christians of any sect?

The pedophile priests in the catholic church are supported and protected by the Vatican, including the Pope. This is not anti-catholic bigotry. It's a fact

Too bad pedophile supporters can't see that.

 

[ConHog]

Public school teachers molest more children every year than Catholic priests do (I think more even than the total number of priests accused of this), and we allow THEM near schools, so shut the fuck up with the anti-Catholic bigotry.

I would be shocked if Sangha showed back up in this thread. But isn't is funny how he/she can lecture us on being bigoted towards Muslim terrorists while at the same time being bigoted against Christians of any sect?

The pedophile priests in the catholic church are supported and protected by the Vatican, including the Pope. This is not anti-catholic bigotry. It's a fact

Too bad pedophile supporters can't see that.

hey dip shit, explain how a mosque can be built inside a community center without being built..............

 

[sangha]

Same here. I just figured out the rep thing. Sangha gonna be hurting now.

LOL....someone needs to make him the issue....he's a buffoon.

You notice he hasn't been near this thread since I PWNED his sorry ass by correctly pointing out that the only way they are going to have a mosque in this community center is if they build one...........LOLOL some people don't have the commons sense God gave a goose. What makes it even funnier is that in another thread he/she called out another poster for bailing on a thread in which he was supposedly pwned LOL

They are building a community center. "Community center" != "mosque"

The "mosque" is nothing more than a room. There are no special construction done for this "mosque"

I guess you are so opposed to religious freedom that you would ban prayer.

 

[Big Fitz]

LOL....someone needs to make him the issue....he's a buffoon.

You notice he hasn't been near this thread since I PWNED his sorry ass by correctly pointing out that the only way they are going to have a mosque in this community center is if they build one...........LOLOL some people don't have the commons sense God gave a goose. What makes it even funnier is that in another thread he/she called out another poster for bailing on a thread in which he was supposedly pwned LOL

They are building a community center. "Community center" != "mosque"

The "mosque" is nothing more than a room. There are no special construction done for this "mosque"

I guess you are so opposed to religious freedom that you would ban prayer.

Right, and Hamas is a humanitarian organization.

 

[ConHog]

LOL....someone needs to make him the issue....he's a buffoon.

You notice he hasn't been near this thread since I PWNED his sorry ass by correctly pointing out that the only way they are going to have a mosque in this community center is if they build one...........LOLOL some people don't have the commons sense God gave a goose. What makes it even funnier is that in another thread he/she called out another poster for bailing on a thread in which he was supposedly pwned LOL

They are building a community center. "Community center" != "mosque"

The "mosque" is nothing more than a room. There are no special construction done for this "mosque"

I guess you are so opposed to religious freedom that you would ban prayer.

Nothing more than a room?

Please read up on what a mosque must have, and recognize that they are planning on spending app. $100M on this facility, do you really think they are going to skimp on the mosque?

Can't you just admit that yes, obviously they will have to build a mosque there ? Damn you're a fool.

and yes I am so opposed to American freedom's that I have dedicated my entire adult life to defending them. Moron. Oh that reminds me. I'm still waiting for you to respond in the thread entitled Sangha in the flame forum where we were going to compare life achievements.

 

[Coyote]

YouTube - Palestinian response on 11/9[/url]


Show me a video of ANY catholics celebrating that way when a child get's abused and you have an argument.

I'll wait.

You show a stupid videotape of a group of Palestinians and purport that to represent the view of the "vast majority" of Muslims....some 1657 million?

Don't be an embecile.

By the way, not that I agree with the stupid Catholic generalization any more than I do with the stupid Muslim generalization - but - anytime you have an organization shuffling known pedophile priests around within the organization and keeping them in contact with children - then, my friend, while you may not have a wholesale celebration but you most certainly have a tacit acceptance and, lets say - a lack of real condemnation for the act.

 

[ConHog]

YouTube - Palestinian response on 11/9[/url]


Show me a video of ANY catholics celebrating that way when a child get's abused and you have an argument.

I'll wait.

You show a stupid videotape of a group of Palestinians and purport that to represent the view of the "vast majority" of Muslims....some 1657 million?

Don't be an embecile.

By the way, not that I agree with the stupid Catholic generalization any more than I do with the stupid Muslim generalization - but - anytime you have an organization shuffling known pedophile priests around within the organization and keeping them in contact with children - then, my friend, while you may not have a wholesale celebration but you most certainly have a tacit acceptance and, lets say - a lack of real condemnation for the act.

No, I presented the video as an example of Muslims celebrating, I did NOT present the video as proof that ALL Muslims were celebrating. if you have video evidence of Muslims acting in outrage immediately preceding 9/11 I would love to see it though.

 

[Immanuel]

Catholic clergymen raped children. They shouldn't be allowed near children

Muslim extremists killed people at WTC. They shouldn't be allowed near the WTC

Religious criminals should not be allowed near their victims

Plumbers have raped children. No plumbers near schools.

Let me know when the plumbers union starts covering up for pedophiles. Then you'd have a valid point.

The vast majority of catholic priests have never abused a child. You are applying the rule of the exception.

The vast majority of muslims did not fly a plane into the WTC towers. The OP is applying the rule of the exception. Talk to him

It doesn't matter, you are still blaming all Catholics for what a few of them and a few of their leaders have done.

And for the record, I am not Catholic and I support the building of the mosque/community center two blocks away from ground zero. However, I did not support the idea when I was initially told that it was being planned for ground zero. Two blocks away is not so called "sacred ground".

Immie

 

[sangha]

By the way, not that I agree with the stupid Catholic generalization any more than I do with the stupid Muslim generalization

To be clear, neither do I. But since the OP agrees with the stupid Muslim generalization (as does conjob) I thought it would be revealing to see who would reject the Catholic one and embrace the Muslim one.

anytime you have an organization shuffling known pedophile priests around within the organization and keeping them in contact with children - then, my friend, while you may not have a wholesale celebration but you most certainly have a tacit acceptance and, lets say - a lack of real condemnation for the act.

Good way to put it, but I'm afraid you're talking to a wall, He can't even admit it's a contradiction to say bush both supported and did not support the spending bills.

 

[sangha]

Plumbers have raped children. No plumbers near schools.

Let me know when the plumbers union starts covering up for pedophiles. Then you'd have a valid point.

The vast majority of catholic priests have never abused a child. You are applying the rule of the exception.

The vast majority of muslims did not fly a plane into the WTC towers. The OP is applying the rule of the exception. Talk to him

It doesn't matter, you are still blaming all Catholics for what a few of them and a few of their leaders have done.

This is where you are mistaken. I dont blame Catholics for the pedophilia. I blame "The Church". The Vatican has been an active supporter of pedophilia.

And for the record, I am not Catholic and I support the building of the mosque/community center two blocks away from ground zero. However, I did not support the idea when I was initially told that it was being planned for ground zero. Two blocks away is not so called "sacred ground".

Immie

thank you

 

[sangha]

No, I presented the video as an example of Muslims celebrating, I did NOT present the video as proof that ALL Muslims were celebrating. if you have video evidence of Muslims acting in outrage immediately preceding 9/11 I would love to see it though.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

No video, but plenty of links to statements immediately following 9/11. I'm not sure what video has to do with it. I haven't seen any video evidence of americans acting in outrage immediately following 9/11.