Hur confirms Joe Biden, if SCOTUS determines a president can be criminally prosecuted, should face espionage and obstruction charges if Trump wins.

[Billiejeens]

Maybe he will get the "low rent" vote then Democrats will have no one.

They have the credentialed class and the indentured class.

The vast middle does not support them.

 

[Kilroy2]

Biden as senator stole classified documents.

Trump as president was told to return the documents and he refused. He then lied about it by returning a few documents and saying that is all he had

one of the charges Trump is facing is that he withheld the document on purpose

Of the 37 charges against Trump, 31 are over alleged violations of the Espionage Act for "willful retention of national defense information." Trump also conspired to obstruct justice, lied to law enforcement, and violated three different statutes related to withholding and concealing government records, according to the indictment.

Trump stored classified documents next to a toilet with its own chandelier at Mar-a-Lago, unsealed indictment shows

The documents stored at Mar-a-Lago included classified information about vulnerabilities the US had to military attacks and nuclear programs.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Kilroy2]

The

Nope
Of course.
He stole documents from a SCIF while a Senator.
He exposed resources and procedures.
In the real world it's bad for Biden.

Yet in the real world the investigation conclude that no charges be filed because there was no wilful intent

Definition of Willful​

Noun

1. An intentional or deliberate act carried out by an individual as a way to complete an objective.

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

With Trump they had to forcefully retrieve the documents

With Biden, he voluntarily returned the documents

Willful intent is a legal term and is used when determining the intent of the person involved.


Trump clearly refused to return the documents

That is the big mistake he made and why he is in trouble

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

2021

May 6 — The National Archives makes a request for missing presidential records “and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval” at Mar-a-Lago, according to the Department of Justice’s affidavit requesting a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago.

July 21 — “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says, according to the indictment. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

2022​

Jan. 18 — NARA receives 15 boxes of records from Trump that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, including “highly classified documents intermingled with other records,” according to DOJ’s affidavit. The boxes contain 197 classified documents.

May 11 — Trump’s office receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents “bearing classification markings.”


June 3 — Jay Bratt, chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, and three FBI agents visit Mar-a-Lago, where Corcoran and another attorney, identified as Trump Attorney 3 in the indictment, present them with “a single Redweld envelope” containing documents “in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified,” according to court filings. The agents also tour a storage room, which DOJ says contained about 50 to 55 boxes. Trump’s attorney tells the government agents that “all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location – a storage room,” and “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises,” in the words of a DOJ court filing.

“Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,

Aug. 5 — A federal magistrate judge in Florida, Bruce Reinhart, signs a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago “after finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found at the Premises,” according to the judge’s order to unseal the affidavit.

Aug. 8 — The FBI executes the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. The search lasts nine hours and results in the recovery of “roughly 13,000 documents totaling approximately 22,000 pages.” That includes 13 boxes

Willful intent by Trump is pretty obvious.

Biden returned his documents on his own initiative

Is there a difference, yes as Trump had to be raided to get the documents back

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

 

[jknowgood]

Trump as president was told to return the documents and he refused. He then lied about it by returning a few documents and saying that is all he had

one of the charges Trump is facing is that he withheld the document on purpose

Of the 37 charges against Trump, 31 are over alleged violations of the Espionage Act for "willful retention of national defense information." Trump also conspired to obstruct justice, lied to law enforcement, and violated three different statutes related to withholding and concealing government records, according to the indictment.

Trump stored classified documents next to a toilet with its own chandelier at Mar-a-Lago, unsealed indictment shows

The documents stored at Mar-a-Lago included classified information about vulnerabilities the US had to military attacks and nuclear programs.

www.businessinsider.com

Yes, and those charges will be dropped. You can't let democrats do it with no repercussions.

 

[Billiejeens]

The

Yet in the real world the investigation conclude that no charges be filed because there was no wilful intent

Definition of Willful​

Noun

1. An intentional or deliberate act carried out by an individual as a way to complete an objective.

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

With Trump they had to forcefully retrieve the documents

With Biden, he voluntarily returned the documents

Willful intent is a legal term and is used when determining the intent of the person involved.


Trump clearly refused to return the documents

That is the big mistake he made and why he is in trouble

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

2021

May 6 — The National Archives makes a request for missing presidential records “and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval” at Mar-a-Lago, according to the Department of Justice’s affidavit requesting a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago.

July 21 — “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says, according to the indictment. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

2022​

Jan. 18 — NARA receives 15 boxes of records from Trump that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, including “highly classified documents intermingled with other records,” according to DOJ’s affidavit. The boxes contain 197 classified documents.

May 11 — Trump’s office receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents “bearing classification markings.”


June 3 — Jay Bratt, chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, and three FBI agents visit Mar-a-Lago, where Corcoran and another attorney, identified as Trump Attorney 3 in the indictment, present them with “a single Redweld envelope” containing documents “in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified,” according to court filings. The agents also tour a storage room, which DOJ says contained about 50 to 55 boxes. Trump’s attorney tells the government agents that “all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location – a storage room,” and “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises,” in the words of a DOJ court filing.

“Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,

Aug. 5 — A federal magistrate judge in Florida, Bruce Reinhart, signs a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago “after finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found at the Premises,” according to the judge’s order to unseal the affidavit.

Aug. 8 — The FBI executes the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. The search lasts nine hours and results in the recovery of “roughly 13,000 documents totaling approximately 22,000 pages.” That includes 13 boxes

Willful intent by Trump is pretty obvious.

Biden returned his documents on his own initiative

Is there a difference, yes as Trump had to be raided to get the documents back

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

No
Post how many ever volumes of bull shit that you want.
It's still no.

 

[Kilroy2]

No
Post how many ever volumes of bull shit that you want.
It's still no.

Well good thing its only you that is saying "No" as you do not have any legal standing in this case just your opinion

 

[alang1216]

Depends. If the swamp is drained then the Biden crime family will most certainly be investigated.

Remember your favorite saying, "no one is above the law"

Don't forget the corollary, everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty. Trump's been proven guilty, Joe, despite being investigated for years, has not.

 

[Billiejeens]

Well good thing its only you that is saying "No" as you do not have any legal standing in this case just your opinion

That's just your biased opinion

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Will keep on humiliating senile hatchet men like Hur.

Not to mention Trump cult losers.

Trump cult dopes, your BigLie failed. Everyone is laughing at you. Every thinks you're shit humans. Stop proving them to be correct.

 

[Kilroy2]

That's just your biased opinion

Its called reality but some cannot face it so they create their own reality or the twilight zone

Good luck

 

[Dragonlady]

Looks like Biden will be headed to jail determined by the the way the Supreme Court rules in their upcoming decision.

What an idiot you truly are.

Hur said in the Hearing that even if he could charge a sitting President, he wouldn't have charged Biden because he could never get a conviction - no evidence of intent.

 

[Billiejeens]

Its called reality but some cannot face it so they create their own reality or the twilight zone

Good luck

That's what you done.
You've cherry picked

 

[Kilroy2]

That's what you done.
You've cherry picked

Prove it with a legitimate argument instead of being vague or repeating the same thing

Willful intent is a legitimate legal term and it is a major factor in most court ruling

but you may not be aware of that

Defense and prosecution arguments are chosen to prove their point. You can call it cherry picking but the goal is to win the case so its best to use the best arguments that will achieve that goal.

They are not going to use negative or irrelevant arguments

Your statement is an example because you just say something but do not back it up with anything

So you project your weaknesses onto others as a defense for failing to make a clean argument

Its easier to make vague statements without backing it up with any explanation

Biden voluntarily turn his records in. You can call it cherry picking but its the truth as he did turn the record in voluntarily

Unlike Trump who had to be raided by the FBI in order to retrieve the documents


Thus you cherry picked and use it for your own purposes

 

[westwall]

The

Yet in the real world the investigation conclude that no charges be filed because there was no wilful intent

Definition of Willful​

Noun

1. An intentional or deliberate act carried out by an individual as a way to complete an objective.

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

With Trump they had to forcefully retrieve the documents

With Biden, he voluntarily returned the documents

Willful intent is a legal term and is used when determining the intent of the person involved.


Trump clearly refused to return the documents

That is the big mistake he made and why he is in trouble

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

2021

May 6 — The National Archives makes a request for missing presidential records “and continued to make requests until approximately late December 2021 when NARA was informed twelve boxes were found and ready for retrieval” at Mar-a-Lago, according to the Department of Justice’s affidavit requesting a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago.

July 21 — “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says, according to the indictment. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

2022​

Jan. 18 — NARA receives 15 boxes of records from Trump that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, including “highly classified documents intermingled with other records,” according to DOJ’s affidavit. The boxes contain 197 classified documents.

May 11 — Trump’s office receives a grand jury subpoena seeking additional documents “bearing classification markings.”


June 3 — Jay Bratt, chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, and three FBI agents visit Mar-a-Lago, where Corcoran and another attorney, identified as Trump Attorney 3 in the indictment, present them with “a single Redweld envelope” containing documents “in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified,” according to court filings. The agents also tour a storage room, which DOJ says contained about 50 to 55 boxes. Trump’s attorney tells the government agents that “all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location – a storage room,” and “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises,” in the words of a DOJ court filing.

“Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,

Aug. 5 — A federal magistrate judge in Florida, Bruce Reinhart, signs a search warrant for Mar-a-Lago “after finding probable cause that evidence of multiple federal crimes would be found at the Premises,” according to the judge’s order to unseal the affidavit.

Aug. 8 — The FBI executes the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago. The search lasts nine hours and results in the recovery of “roughly 13,000 documents totaling approximately 22,000 pages.” That includes 13 boxes

Willful intent by Trump is pretty obvious.

Biden returned his documents on his own initiative

Is there a difference, yes as Trump had to be raided to get the documents back

Timeline of FBI Investigation of Trump's Handling of Highly Classified Documents - FactCheck.org

Here we provide a timeline of the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago and its investigation of former President Donald Trump's handling of highly classified documents. We will update the timeline as warranted.

www.factcheck.org

Biden stole classified documents from a SCIF while he was a Senator.

That is go to jail, go directly to jail.

But because he's a lefty he's protected.

 

[Kilroy2]

Biden stole classified documents from a SCIF while he was a Senator.

That is go to jail, go directly to jail.

But because he's a lefty he's protected.

He did not go to jail and no charges was filed

so Trump is not protected. because he is a righty

yeah the SC bailed him out pretty good with logic that states can't remove him from the ticket and that only the federal government can do that. But the Federal government does not run presidential elections in each state.

They just certify the votes

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that Trump tried to fix an election

 

[Billiejeens]

The

Yet in the real world the investigation conclude that no charges be filed because there was no wilful intent

Are you able to focus on Biden, without pivoting to Trump?​

The real world did not conclude that Biden had no wilful(sp) intent.

 

[Billiejeens]

He did not go to jail and no charges was filed

so Trump is not protected. because he is a righty

yeah the SC bailed him out pretty good with logic that states can't remove him from the ticket and that only the federal government can do that. But the Federal government does not run presidential elections in each state.

They just certify the votes

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that Trump tried to fix an election

He didn't -
That is just a stupid opinion that you have chosen to run with.

 

[j-mac]

Will keep on humiliating senile hatchet men like Hur.

Not to mention Trump cult losers.

Trump cult dopes, your BigLie failed. Everyone is laughing at you. Every thinks you're shit humans. Stop proving them to be correct.

Now, now….don’t throw a tantrum….You tried and lost…

 

[Kilroy2]

He didn't -
That is just a stupid opinion that you have chosen to run with.

be more specific

The real world did not conclude that Biden had no wilful(sp) intent.

Your last 3 comments are just statements with no source provided. You see that is an opinion
It is one that you cannot deny. You provide no sources of your opinion. Just want to disagree with my opinion


Are ;you able to state facts. You say the real world but it just your world

the investigation is what counts. People are going to believe what they want but the fact remains the investigation is finished. The results are know. It just you and your fellow deniers who cannot accept the results.

Biden was not charged based on the Hur investigation because there was no willful intent. If you believe different then show a source that says differently

Your problem is you think he is guilty because the final outcome is not what you wanted. Thus your easily confused

Hur concluded in his report that Biden carelessly kept classified documents and notebooks at his former Washington, D.C. office and Delaware home after he left the vice presidency in 2017, but said the evidence wasn’t strong enough to charge him with crimes.

Biggest Takeaways From Hur’s Testimony

It marked his first public comments since the release of his report on Biden's handling of classified documents

time.com

Opinions that you offer have no source which is different from an opinion based on a source

So start using sources

 

[Billiejeens]

be more specific

Your last 3 comments are just statements with no source provided. You see that is an opinion
It is one that you cannot deny. You provide no sources of your opinion. Just want to disagree with my opinion


Are ;you able to state facts. You say the real world but it just your world

the investigation is what counts. People are going to believe what they want but the fact remains the investigation is finished. The results are know. It just you and your fellow deniers who cannot accept the results.

Biden was not charged based on the Hur investigation because there was no willful intent. If you believe different then show a source that says differently

Your problem is you think he is guilty because the final outcome is not what you wanted. Thus your easily confused

Hur concluded in his report that Biden carelessly kept classified documents and notebooks at his former Washington, D.C. office and Delaware home after he left the vice presidency in 2017, but said the evidence wasn’t strong enough to charge him with crimes.

Biggest Takeaways From Hur’s Testimony

It marked his first public comments since the release of his report on Biden's handling of classified documents

time.com

Opinions that you offer have no source which is different from an opinion based on a source

So start using sources

It is not what was in the report.