How will the anti God crowd act if Jesus comes soon.

[Youwerecreated]

I thought I was.

Ever hear of "The King James Version" of the bible?

Or know how Popes altered the bible to suit thier needs?


I've picked up 4 different version of the bible. I thought I'd go through and point out the differences just for some laughs.
I got a beer, a blt and some chips, thinking it would take a while.
I didn't make it past "In the beginning."

You can not expect me to even consider any of is the word of god or christ anymore.

oh and fyi; "Turn the other cheek" doesn't mean you are supposed to let yourself get hit again and it actually was about getting hit, not just brushing off an insult.

Exactly it takes even more faith in man over the years than faith in God. All the different edits, all the translations, and for anyone who's ever learned a foreign language you know that there are some words that just don't translate into another language. You have to just hope that the editors and authors over the years have gotten across the right message during translations.

I think I broke Youwere.

He's quoting the bible to prove his point, after I informed him I consider it a very edited book. PLUS he listed Job, a story that a preist told me isn't true.

oh well

One of my fav lost in translations; The soul. 2000+ years ago, the jews considered your body to be your soul. BUT, when the Greeks translated it, there was no correcting or re-defining for the locals. Thus all of christiandom was lead to believe that our soul [energy with in] goes up of down.

Got that years ago off of one of the learning channels. It could be wrong, but it's...
well

It's funny as hell.

Well i'm not catholic but i have never met a preist from that denomination that impressed me with their knowledge of the scriptures.

Ever heard of babylon the great harlot well that represents the empire of false religion.

I'm not saying but well i won't go there.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Exactly it takes even more faith in man over the years than faith in God. All the different edits, all the translations, and for anyone who's ever learned a foreign language you know that there are some words that just don't translate into another language. You have to just hope that the editors and authors over the years have gotten across the right message during translations.

Wrong, can you point to any translation other than one that was done for a particular religion that changed the meaning of the scriptures ?

The King James Version of the bible

Where did they change the meaning ?

 

[toxicmedia]

What do you think you will say to Jesus ?

How do you think you will act towards Jesus ?

Will you ask for forgivness ?

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Wrong, can you point to any translation other than one that was done for a particular religion that changed the meaning of the scriptures ?

The King James Version of the bible

Where did they change the meaning ?

take your bible, get a KJV, and compare on your own.

They are very different

 

[Youwerecreated]

What do you think you will say to Jesus ?

How do you think you will act towards Jesus ?

Will you ask for forgivness ?

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The King James Version of the bible

Where did they change the meaning ?

take your bible, get a KJV, and compare on your own.

They are very different

I study from 10 different bibles which includes the kjv. I have two jewish bibles. I have many other teaching aids and i don't see what you're are saying ,and i have been studying them for over 40 years.

 

[toxicmedia]

What do you think you will say to Jesus ?

How do you think you will act towards Jesus ?

Will you ask for forgivness ?

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

Why does he have to mess around with all that prophecy stuff? Why not just stay here and stop all the wars, starvation, and general suffering?...he's one of the good guys. I can't see how letting all that evil increase could be productive....

....please don't say "the lord works in mysterious ways"

 

[Youwerecreated]

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

Why does he have to mess around with all that prophecy stuff? Why not just stay here and stop all the wars, starvation, and general suffering?...he's one of the good guys. I can't see how letting all that evil increase could be productive....

....please don't say "the lord works in mysterious ways"

Well he does This is one of the best articles i have read on this issue. I am not a JW but they did a great job handling this issue.


Why Does God Allow Suffering?




Has God caused the suffering in the world?

What issue was raised in the garden of Eden?

How will God undo the effects of human suffering?

AFTER a terrible battle in one war-torn land, the thousands of civilian women and children who had been killed were buried in a mass grave surrounded by markers. Each marker bore this inscription: “Why?” Sometimes that is the most painful question of all. People ask it sadly when war, disaster, disease, or crime takes their innocent loved ones, destroys their home, or brings them untold suffering in other ways. They want to know why such tragedies befall them.

2 Why does God allow suffering? If Jehovah God is all-powerful, loving, wise, and just, why is the world so full of hatred and injustice? Have you ever wondered about these things yourself?

3 Is it wrong to ask why God allows suffering? Some worry that asking such a question means that they do not have enough faith or that they are showing disrespect for God. When reading the Bible, however, you will find that faithful, God-fearing people had similar questions. For example, the prophet Habakkuk asked Jehovah: “Why is it that you make me see what is hurtful, and you keep looking upon mere trouble? And why are despoiling and violence in front of me, and why does quarreling occur, and why is strife carried?”—Habakkuk 1:3.


Jehovah will end all suffering

4 Did Jehovah scold the faithful prophet Habakkuk for asking such questions? No. Instead, God included Habakkuk’s sincere words in the inspired Bible record. God also helped him to get a clearer understanding of matters and to gain greater faith. Jehovah wants to do the same for you. Remember, the Bible teaches that “he cares for you.” (1 Peter 5:7) God hates wickedness and the suffering it causes far more than any human does. (Isaiah 55:8, 9) Why, then, is there so much suffering in the world?

WHY SO MUCH SUFFERING?

5 People of various religions have gone to their religious leaders and teachers to ask why there is so much suffering. Often, the response is that suffering is God’s will and that he long ago determined everything that would ever happen, including tragic events. Many are told that God’s ways are mysterious or that he brings death upon people—even children—so that he can have them in heaven with him. As you have learned, though, Jehovah God never causes what is bad. The Bible says: “Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly!”—Job 34:10.

6 Do you know why people make the mistake of blaming God for all the suffering in the world? In many cases, they blame Almighty God because they think that he is the real ruler of this world. They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches. You learned that truth in Chapter 3 of this book. The real ruler of this world is Satan the Devil.

7 The Bible clearly states: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) When you think about it, does that not make sense? This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9) Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty. That is one reason why there is so much suffering.

8 A second reason why there is so much suffering is that, as discussed in Chapter 3, mankind has been imperfect and sinful ever since the rebellion in the garden of Eden. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance, and this results in wars, oppression, and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9) A third reason for suffering is “time and unforeseen occurrence.” (Ecclesiastes 9:11) In a world without Jehovah as a protective Ruler, people may suffer because they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

9 It is comforting for us to know that God does not cause suffering. He is not responsible for the wars, the crimes, the oppression, or even the natural disasters that cause people to suffer. Still, we need to know, Why does Jehovah allow all this suffering? If he is the Almighty, he has the power to stop it. Why, then, does he hold back? The loving God that we have come to know must have a good reason.—1 John 4:8.

A VITAL ISSUE IS RAISED

10 To find out why God allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began. When Satan led Adam and Eve into disobeying Jehovah, an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned Jehovah’s right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. (Genesis 3:2-5) Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

11 Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: “We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.” How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. (Genesis 1:28) Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) Besides that, getting rid of the rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.


Is the student more qualified than the teacher?

12 Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.

13 Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.

14 The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

WHY SO LONG?

15 Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly, consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do. First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure.

16 Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”—Hebrews 6:18.


God will help you to endure suffering

17 What, though, about all the harm that has been done during the long rebellion against God? We do well to remember that Jehovah is almighty. Therefore, he can and will undo the effects of mankind’s suffering. As we have already learned, the ruining of our planet will be undone by the turning of the earth into Paradise. The effects of sin will be removed through faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice, and the effects of death will be reversed by means of the resurrection. God will thus use Jesus “to break up the works of the Devil.” (1 John 3:8) Jehovah will bring all of this about at just the right time. We can be glad that he has not acted sooner, for his patience has given us the opportunity to learn the truth and to serve him. (2 Peter 3:9, 10) Meanwhile, God has been actively seeking sincere worshipers and helping them to endure any suffering that may come upon them in this troubled world.—John 4:23; 1 Corinthians 10:13.

18 Some might wonder, Could all this suffering have been prevented if God had created Adam and Eve in such a way that they could not rebel? To answer that question, you need to remember a precious gift that Jehovah has given you.


Why Does God Allow Suffering? - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site

 

[rightwinger]

What do you think you will say to Jesus ?

How do you think you will act towards Jesus ?

Will you ask for forgivness ?

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

But the earth is only 6000 years old...


Is he getting lazy?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Actualy I'd ask him to forgive me. I'd chew him out for resting on his laurels while the human race really needs him? Where has he been for the last 2000 years?

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

But the earth is only 6000 years old...


Is he getting lazy?

No,he is not resting, he came to the earth many times since man was on the earth.

I have been studying this he created all things in 6 literal day's.

 

[hortysir]

How will the pro god people feel when their savior never shows up?

That's the bliss.

He's always coming

That's why he won't show up. He's locked in the bathroom with an infinite supply of Vaseline.

See previous discussion of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".

I don't have a problem with atheists not believing. It doesn't waiver my faith in the slightest.
I consider Huggy and USCitizen very intelligent and respectful members of USMB.
Insulting them is counter-productive to having a good relationship with each other.
I also try not to force my belief on others. I will answer questions to the best of my knowledge regarding scripture and how I feel my God wants me to live.


Being insulting and vulgar is uncalled for, however.

 

[rightwinger]

Well since a thousand years is but a day to God good thing it's only been a couple of day's or you and i wouldn't be here.

He is waiting for all prophecy to be fulfilled.

But the earth is only 6000 years old...


Is he getting lazy?

No,he is not resting, he came to the earth many times since man was on the earth.

I have been studying this he created all things in 6 literal day's.

Well since you just said a thousand years was like a day to God, then he created the world in a matter of seconds.

Why hasn't he shown up in 2000 years? Where was he in WWII?

Kind of dropped the ball there didn't he?

 

[Youwerecreated]

But the earth is only 6000 years old...


Is he getting lazy?

No,he is not resting, he came to the earth many times since man was on the earth.

I have been studying this he created all things in 6 literal day's.

Well since you just said a thousand years was like a day to God, then he created the world in a matter of seconds.

Why hasn't he shown up in 2000 years? Where was he in WWII?

Kind of dropped the ball there didn't he?

Well ,he said when he will return, and the god of this world you see now is satan.

 

[JohnA]

Hmm..?? From what I understand suicide is a sin, yes, but there is only one unforgivable sin -said in the Bible - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.



Question: "What is the unpardonable sin / unforgivable sin?"

What is the unpardonable sin / unforgivable sin?





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Correct, this is one of the things that makes me frown about christianity, the worse sin has nothing to do with character according to the Bible.

Hence why it's more likely for Hitler to get into heaven than Ghandi.

All sin brings death according to God.

so whats the punishment for suicide death ??
you are being silly again

 

[HUGGY]

That's the bliss.

He's always coming

That's why he won't show up. He's locked in the bathroom with an infinite supply of Vaseline.

See previous discussion of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".

I don't have a problem with atheists not believing. It doesn't waiver my faith in the slightest.
I consider Huggy and USCitizen very intelligent and respectful members of USMB.
Insulting them is counter-productive to having a good relationship with each other.
I also try not to force my belief on others. I will answer questions to the best of my knowledge regarding scripture and how I feel my God wants me to live.


Being insulting and vulgar is uncalled for, however.

Blah....blah...blah....

I respectfully request that you get off my leg Christian!

 

[LumpyPostage]

Many of us are neither anti-God nor pro-Jesus. The opening question seems to assume that anybody who believes in God also believes in Jesus.

 

[strollingbones]

No,he is not resting, he came to the earth many times since man was on the earth.

I have been studying this he created all things in 6 literal day's.

Well since you just said a thousand years was like a day to God, then he created the world in a matter of seconds.

Why hasn't he shown up in 2000 years? Where was he in WWII?

Kind of dropped the ball there didn't he?

Well ,he said when he will return, and the god of this world you see now is satan.

the disciplines believed jesus would return in their lifetimes

 

[Samson]

Well since you just said a thousand years was like a day to God, then he created the world in a matter of seconds.

Why hasn't he shown up in 2000 years? Where was he in WWII?

Kind of dropped the ball there didn't he?

Well ,he said when he will return, and the god of this world you see now is satan.

the disciplines believed jesus would return in their lifetimes

Yeah, like in Stephen King's Pet Cemetary.

 

[sparky]

Many of us are neither anti-God nor pro-Jesus. The opening question seems to assume that anybody who believes in God also believes in Jesus.

according to scripture i've read , it seems Jesus had a few anti-God / pro-Jesus words on the cross....

 

[Avatar4321]

But the earth is only 6000 years old...


Is he getting lazy?

No,he is not resting, he came to the earth many times since man was on the earth.

I have been studying this he created all things in 6 literal day's.

Well since you just said a thousand years was like a day to God, then he created the world in a matter of seconds.

Why hasn't he shown up in 2000 years? Where was he in WWII?

Kind of dropped the ball there didn't he?

actually, we kind of dropped the ball then.

We need to start taking responsibility for mistakes we've made and accept the Atonement to fix them instead of blaming God for our mistakes and ignoring the mercy He has proided for us to fix them.

God fixes things on the individual basis. Usually through small means. and through small and simple things, great things are brought to pass.