How To Start Real Change

[Dale Smith]

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

I haven't gone through the entire thread but you can be very combative at times because you are one of the posters I read here when I see you have written something. I am not saying that you are right or wrong about how you feel or wish to portray your arguments, I am simply saying that those like IM2, Asceclipes (sorry for the spelling) will never sway hearts and minds with angry retorts and insults is all.

And yes, I was part of the Taxed Enough Already Party and we have people of all races that believed that socialism is just another step toward the one world, totalitarian, feudalistic state that has only two classes...the poor and the elites. The tint of Obama's skin had nothing to do with me opposing the socialist agenda that he was being told to push. Obama could have been as white as Larry Bird and I would have felt the same way. I despise the Clintons and Bush crime family as well and they should be tried as traitors along with Obama.

Hearts and minds aren't going to be swayed in places like this were whites think they can insult you then complain about how you are the only one insulting people. That's very insulting when you think about it.

Don't lie to us about how you didn't oppose Obama based on his skin color. Because he was trying to save us from a depression created by the very people the tea party supported. You really don't even know what socialism is. And if you really thought, you'd understand that system based upon the accumulation of capital ends up creating the 2 classes you are saying socialism does.

The tea party had rallies with pictures of Obama with bones in his nose, and other things. It was a racist based movement period. Whites such as yourself need to understand that blacks see, observe and learn just like everyone else. We know racist behavior because we've seen it our entire lives, been taught how it manifests itself by our elders when young. Yet every single time someone black here states something is racist, a white person wants to tell us how it's not so. Well a white person is probably the last person we are going to listen to telling us what's not racist.

I believe that when it comes to racial issues that we should listen to each other because only through listening instead of knee-jerk reaction can the gap be bridged. I have read some of these threads and have seen both sides slinging shit at each other...neither one bothering to taking the high road and I wanted no part of that. Yeah, I have seen some shit flung by white posters here that have caused me to think less of them but the black posters here haven't exactly endeared themselves for calm and reason and seem to revel in division.

I like MarcATL, I like Asclepias and have had some decent conversations over the last three years with them. The fact of the matter is that we are all indentured debt slaves where our labor was pledged as surety against a debt before we were ever born we are not responsible for and that is a fact. They used the ancient system of "pledging" as a model by monetizing the birth certificate after the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the real money of the people was confiscated in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes of debt. Here is a question I know that you can answer....would you turn over any gold or silver you have for a paper I.O.U unless it was done under the threat of imprisonment? That is exactly what happened to the American people when FDR changed a few things in the "Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917". We are considered "chattel property"...black, white, red, brown, etc, etc. That is what we should be focusing on.

Obama was just like all the other "presidents" before him since the murder of JFK. Every president since has been handpicked by the global elites. Obama did as he was told including the Porkulus package that was put on our credit card bill. He was just a shade darker in skin tint than the prior presidents but a puppet nonetheless but the strings were still easy to see. He did have the advantage of having his minions use his skin tint to deflect criticism. Obama put the NSA on steroids, expanded their power to spy, signed off on the NDAA that gave "da gubermint" the power to include Americans for indefinite detention with no due process that also did away with the Smith-Mundt Act making it legal for this corporate entity to legally lie to us using the media. Obama continued the PNAC plan by continuation of taking out Middle Eastern countries that are not under the control of the same central bankers that control us. Lots of things you don't know because you haven't spent the time I have and I am STILL learning...but I have put a great many pieces of this puzzle together.

Is Trump legit or not? I haven't gotten a good enough read yet either way...but if he wasn't put in by the white hats, basically saying, we will be FUBAR'd.

 

[IM2]

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

Whites mistreating blacks, blacks mistreating Asians , hispanics mistreating whites, vice versa.....pick a group and switch it around. The fact of the matter is that I am only responsible for myself. I have VERY good friends happen to be black that I would gladly lay down my life for that have been with me from the beginning on this journey and have helped guide me on my quest for the truth. They are certainly more aware of this debt slavery system and those behind it than whites because they have been the most hurt by it. Malcolm X is someone I respect tremendously and he knew about the powers behind this system . He was the most intelligent and articulated man of his time and a grave threat to those he spoke out against. He said that he would welcome anyone of any skin tint that wanted to join in the fight. I would have gladly stood by him....he knew.

I understand where you are coming from but you will never sway hearts and minds with anger and there are some that you will never sway because they are either shackled by guilt (which accomplishes nothing constructive) or they are not capable of empathy if the shoe was on the other foot or they are simply yanking your change. I simply know that venting anger and throwing out insults is a waste of time....but it's your cyber dime

Quote the words that depicted "my anger" to you.

BTW, weren't you in full agreement with the open display of anger the Tea Party folks displayed for years during their prominence?

Be honest.

I haven't gone through the entire thread but you can be very combative at times because you are one of the posters I read here when I see you have written something. I am not saying that you are right or wrong about how you feel or wish to portray your arguments, I am simply saying that those like IM2, Asceclipes (sorry for the spelling) will never sway hearts and minds with angry retorts and insults is all.

And yes, I was part of the Taxed Enough Already Party and we have people of all races that believed that socialism is just another step toward the one world, totalitarian, feudalistic state that has only two classes...the poor and the elites. The tint of Obama's skin had nothing to do with me opposing the socialist agenda that he was being told to push. Obama could have been as white as Larry Bird and I would have felt the same way. I despise the Clintons and Bush crime family as well and they should be tried as traitors along with Obama.

Hearts and minds aren't going to be swayed in places like this were whites think they can insult you then complain about how you are the only one insulting people. That's very insulting when you think about it.

Don't lie to us about how you didn't oppose Obama based on his skin color. Because he was trying to save us from a depression created by the very people the tea party supported. You really don't even know what socialism is. And if you really thought, you'd understand that system based upon the accumulation of capital ends up creating the 2 classes you are saying socialism does.

The tea party had rallies with pictures of Obama with bones in his nose, and other things. It was a racist based movement period. Whites such as yourself need to understand that blacks see, observe and learn just like everyone else. We know racist behavior because we've seen it our entire lives, been taught how it manifests itself by our elders when young. Yet every single time someone black here states something is racist, a white person wants to tell us how it's not so. Well a white person is probably the last person we are going to listen to telling us what's not racist.

I believe that when it comes to racial issues that we should listen to each other because only through listening instead of knee-jerk reaction can the gap be bridged. I have read some of these threads and have seen both sides slinging shit at each other...neither one bothering to taking the high road and I wanted no part of that. Yeah, I have seen some shit flung by white posters here that have caused me to think less of them but the black posters here haven't exactly endeared themselves for calm and reason and seem to revel in division.

I like MarcATL, I like Asclepias and have had some decent conversations over the last three years with them. The fact of the matter is that we are all indentured debt slaves where our labor was pledged as surety against a debt before we were ever born we are not responsible for and that is a fact. They used the ancient system of "pledging" as a model by monetizing the birth certificate after the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the real money of the people was confiscated in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes of debt. Here is a question I know that you can answer....would you turn over any gold or silver you have for a paper I.O.U unless it was done under the threat of imprisonment? That is exactly what happened to the American people when FDR changed a few things in the "Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917". We are considered "chattel property"...black, white, red, brown, etc, etc. That is what we should be focusing on.

Obama was just like all the other "presidents" before him since the murder of JFK. Every president since has been handpicked by the global elites. Obama did as he was told including the Porkulus package that was put on our credit card bill. He was just a shade darker in skin tint than the prior presidents but a puppet nonetheless but the strings were still easy to see. He did have the advantage of having his minions use his skin tint to deflect criticism. Obama put the NSA on steroids, expanded their power to spy, signed off on the NDAA that gave "da gubermint" the power to include Americans for indefinite detention with no due process that also did away with the Smith-Mundt Act making it legal for this corporate entity to legally lie to us using the media. Obama continued the PNAC plan by continuation of taking out Middle Eastern countries that are not under the control of the same central bankers that control us. Lots of things you don't know because you haven't spent the time I have and I am STILL learning...but I have put a great many pieces of this puzzle together.

Is Trump legit or not? I haven't gotten a good enough read yet either way...but if he wasn't put in by the white hats, basically saying, we will be FUBAR'd.

Whites want to tell us not to be angry about what we have every right to be angry about. If you can't understand why we could be angry then you aren't worth consideration. Whites can be angry about whatever they chose even when it's made up and at no time do thy tell each other that you won't change anybodys hearts and minds by being angry. I was not in support of the Tea Party because what they were angry about they created by their election an support of the republican policies that created the problem. The anti Iraq war protesters were angry and I agreed with them because their anger as justified. We as black have the right to be angry about hat whites keep doing. All your debt slave stuff doesn't equalize the treatment blacks have gotten from whites. If every other president since Kennedy has been picked by your so called global elite so has Trump.

 

[Paul Essien]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

"What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

The term snowflake has been owned by the left since Nov. 9 2016 for the way they have acted over the election of Trump when you start off with a fallacy the rest of your post falls apart.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my 56 years on earth.

 

[IM2]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my 56 years on earth.

The truth hurts you right wing flakes.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my 56 years on earth.

The truth hurts you right wing flakes.

There was no truth to what he said.

 

[IM2]

Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

"What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

The term snowflake has been owned by the left since Nov. 9 2016 for the way they have acted over the election of Trump when you start off with a fallacy the rest of your post falls apart.

No the right are the flakes and have been so since he passage of the civil rights act and integration.

 

[IM2]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my 56 years on earth.

The truth hurts you right wing flakes.

There was no truth to what he said.

Oh yes, there was. But you being whIte will deny it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever read in my 56 years on earth.

The truth hurts you right wing flakes.

There was no truth to what he said.

Oh yes, there was. But you being whIte will deny it.

go panhandle your racist propaganda somewhere else.
I'm not a liberal apologist mean old white cracker.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

"What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

The term snowflake has been owned by the left since Nov. 9 2016 for the way they have acted over the election of Trump when you start off with a fallacy the rest of your post falls apart.

No the right are the flakes and have been so since he passage of the civil rights act and integration.

Sorry son the right hasn't melted like the left has
did you scream at the moon on the 1 year anniversary of Trump becoming president?

 

[Unkotare]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

This post is further proof of the correlation between racism and stupidity.


Ignorant of both history and human nature.

 

[MizMolly]

The part about most whites wanting blacks back in chains is ridiculous.

My father used to say that "Whites are products of what is known as involution. It is the opposite of evolution"

Only a soul can make you a HUE-man and we use our pineal glands to connect with our souls. Men and women of hue have compassion for their fellow beings. They don’t poison them, starve them and drop bombs on them.

My father used also say the meanest people on Earth were White People. Others can be evil for a time but they can’t keep up the murderous rage. White people will kill and kill until the streets run red with blood. When you look at the history of black and white people are interaction with white people has been the history of a dealing demonic devil.

No, i am not a dumb bastard, does it make you feel superior to talk down to people? It really is unbecoming

Your just putting on that "I'm gonna act dumb" "I'm gonna act like I don't know what's going on" act.That's whites put on

So, your father taught you to hate white people. Pity

 

[IM2]

Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

"What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

The term snowflake has been owned by the left since Nov. 9 2016 for the way they have acted over the election of Trump when you start off with a fallacy the rest of your post falls apart.

No the right are the flakes and have been so since he passage of the civil rights act and integration.

Sorry son the right hasn't melted like the left has
did you scream at the moon on the 1 year anniversary of Trump becoming president?

Yes you did. You've cried about civil rights laws for the past 53 years. You've been crying for 5 decades about how you have lost your country. Your meltdown is apparent in the fact you guys are still trying to investigate and imprison Obama for things you are making up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

"What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin

The term snowflake has been owned by the left since Nov. 9 2016 for the way they have acted over the election of Trump when you start off with a fallacy the rest of your post falls apart.

No the right are the flakes and have been so since he passage of the civil rights act and integration.

Sorry son the right hasn't melted like the left has
did you scream at the moon on the 1 year anniversary of Trump becoming president?

Yes you did. You've cried about civil rights laws for the past 53 years. You've been crying for 5 decades about how you have lost your country. Your meltdown is apparent in the fact you guys are still trying to investigate and imprison Obama for things you are making up.

you are really confused

 

[LOIE]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

You may have the worst case of white guilt ever.

Actually, I have NONE whatsoever.

 

[Unkotare]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

I listen to real black people that I work with or meet every day. They say the same things that I say and that white people say, they talk about their jobs, their kids, their problems....sports, movies, TV, etc.

I don't listen to black leaders because all they say is stupid racist garbage like your OP. I have no time for racism, prejudice, or hate.

Do you ever have discussions with them about what it's like to be black in America? Do you have in depth discussions with them or just the daily, superficial stuff that most of us do?

I would guess that the folks you meet or work with show themselves to you in one way and when they are at home with family and friends they may talk about other things that matter to them on an entirely different level.

Nice to hear you have no time for racism, prejudice or hate, but for lots of people they are major issues and need to be dealt with. And I don't believe black leaders say stupid racist garbage at all. I believe they speak from their hearts, their love for their people and from their personal experiences.

You may have the worst case of white guilt ever.

Actually, I have NONE whatsoever.

 

[LOIE]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

Who is oppressed now and being forced?

My statement says that they were forced, in the past tense, as during slavery and Jim Crow. Now, while open, obvious oppression may not exist in some folk's eyes, our country sill has an oppressive system, which gives opportunity to some while disenfranchising others.

During the recent heat wave I felt that the heat was oppressive. But it was temporary and bearable. I have never known the oppression felt by some, as in "unreasonably burdensome or severe: overpowering or depressing of the spirit or senses. To oppress means to crush or burden by abuse of power or authority: to burden spiritually or mentally as if by pressure: to weigh down."

I was just speaking to a lovely black lady who said when she walks into a room full of white people they all stop talking and look at her. It makes her feel uncomfortable and she does not like the feeling. She said she gets the feeling she is supposed to do something to make them more comfortable in her presence and she shouldn't have to do that.

 

[Unkotare]

...

I was just speaking to a lovely black lady .....

How lovely?

 

[MizMolly]

Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

“In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”

Anyone who disputes the simple proposition that all sides need to listen to each other isn't really serious about dialog or any kind of positive change.

I would say that for many many years the predominant voices have been those of white folks and that black folks have already heard what they have to say. As a matter of fact, for years they had to not only listen to them, but they were forced to do what they said. It has been the oppressed who have not been listened to and actually heard.

Who is oppressed now and being forced?

My statement says that they were forced, in the past tense, as during slavery and Jim Crow. Now, while open, obvious oppression may not exist in some folk's eyes, our country sill has an oppressive system, which gives opportunity to some while disenfranchising others.

During the recent heat wave I felt that the heat was oppressive. But it was temporary and bearable. I have never known the oppression felt by some, as in "unreasonably burdensome or severe: overpowering or depressing of the spirit or senses. To oppress means to crush or burden by abuse of power or authority: to burden spiritually or mentally as if by pressure: to weigh down."

I was just speaking to a lovely black lady who said when she walks into a room full of white people they all stop talking and look at her. It makes her feel uncomfortable and she does not like the feeling. She said she gets the feeling she is supposed to do something to make them more comfortable in her presence and she shouldn't have to do that.

No she shouldn't. I have also been the only white person in a room and get looked at when I walk into a room. I just say hello but it doesn't bother me. I think some people make more out of a situation than is really there. It may not have been for this woman, but I believe it happens.