How To Start Real Change

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    Just started reading Michael Eric Dyson’s newest book, and it already speaks directly to something I have been thinking for a long time: That white people need to listen to black people. Here’s an excerpt talking about a meeting with some prominent black folks (Horne, Belafonte, Baldwin) and Bobby Kennedy.

    “In fact, the brutal battering he suffered at the hands of the Baldwin crew offers an important lesson to white people about how to start real change. And that involves sometimes sitting silently, and finally, as black folks have been forced to do, listening, and listening, and listening, and listening some more.”
     
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    Robert Kennedy had a heart, he was rich and secure, the average Trump voter or conservative snowflake is bitter and feels like the elites and government is against them. They are insecure and have some reason to be so. The irony is the conservative elites play them as they fight unions, fair wages and outsource. But that lesson is never learned for a large smoke cloud of emotional baloney muddies the mind.

    If you want to understand white resentment read the article and book linked below.

    I Know Why Poor Whites Chant Trump, Trump, Trump

    White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson

    And if you want to know about the smoke cloud read this: Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer

    "What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” James Baldwin

    "White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin
     
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    Thank you. Interesting article about Trump. And I have read the other two books. It really is all about money and power and keeping it.
     
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    Who wants change? Real or otherwise?
     
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    Why should white people listen to black people about anything? ... :dunno:

    Anywhere that large numbers of black people live; world wide or here in the U.S.

    Crime is rampant, drugs use and addiction is off the charts, gang violence and murders are a daily occurrence, single mothers with several kids is the norm, and getting an education is a low priority, etc. ..... :cool:
     
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    Because whites created the conditions.

    The Racist Housing Policy That Made Your Neighborhood

    One of the most heinous of these policies was introduced by the creation of the Federal Housing Administration in 1934, and lasted until 1968. Otherwise celebrated for making homeownership accessible to white people by guaranteeing their loans, the FHA explicitly refused to back loans to black people or even other people who lived near black people. As TNC puts it, "Redlining destroyed the possibility of investment wherever black people lived."

    The Racist Housing Policy That Made Your Neighborhood

    A New Kind Of City Tour Shows The History Of Racist Housing Policy
     
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    ^^^^^^ That policy ended in 1968....which was 50 years ago.

    Plenty of time for black people to get their act together and quite blaming the white man for all their problems. .... :cool:
     
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    Debating uneducated idiots is tiring. Actually the policy not stop in 1968. The issue remains very much a problem now. The white man will be blamed for what the white man has done. Quit doing it if you don't want to be blamed.
     
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    I've never owned rental property or worked for the government.

    So exactly how am I to be blamed because you people are soo lame? ... :dunno:
     
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    Shouldnt black people start at the local level, in their own communities?
    Yea, maybe they should start there. Maybe they should fix their own problems, caused by their own actions, instead of blaming "the white man"
    I understand white people treated you badly, but my gawd. Move on
    Table 21
    Oh, speaking of treating blacks badly..
    Top 5 African Countries Where Slavery Is Still Rampant
    It isnt just america where blacks are treated poorly by some :eusa_whistle:
     
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