How the GOP became the Party of No!

[JimH52]

Dear @nat4000
Bush supporters will also point out that Bush survived a huge movement to oust him from office.
America would rather keep the same President both terms than change horses midstream.

The main difference is....the bipartisan support that Bush elicited after 9-11...and the complete nay-saying by republicans to ward Obama proposals when facing another disaster ......the severe recession which began in 2008.

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

 

[nat4900]

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

It wasn't just because Obama was "the black guy"....what really pissed right wingers off was the fact that Obama quickly became the successful, "black guy."

 

[bedowin62]

Dear @nat4000
Bush supporters will also point out that Bush survived a huge movement to oust him from office.
America would rather keep the same President both terms than change horses midstream.

The main difference is....the bipartisan support that Bush elicited after 9-11...and the complete nay-saying by republicans to ward Obama proposals when facing another disaster ......the severe recession which began in 2008.

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

that can happen when you fail miserably

 

[bedowin62]

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

It wasn't just because Obama was "the black guy"....what really pissed right wingers off was the fact that Obama quickly became the successful, "black guy."

ran out of meds again?

record welfare and food stamps isn't "forward progress"

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

President George W Bush wasn't responsible for the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) that placed regulations to force banks in providing loans to those who couldn't pay them back, nor did he block government oversight into Fannie May or Freddie Mac.

 

[Auld Phart]

Since right wingers will not see the inside of the oval office for decades, their ONLY recourse is to bitch and moan at democrats for WHATEVER they may do.

They said something along those lines when WJC was elected too...

How did THAT work out?

Right now, Hillary is all you've got, and she probably wont' last til the convention.

They're starting to look at semis to replace the U-Haul carrying her baggage.

 

[Auld Phart]

Dear @nat4000
Bush supporters will also point out that Bush survived a huge movement to oust him from office.
America would rather keep the same President both terms than change horses midstream.

The main difference is....the bipartisan support that Bush elicited after 9-11...and the complete nay-saying by republicans to ward Obama proposals when facing another disaster ......the severe recession which began in 2008.

Thought that started in Dec 2007.

11 months after Reid and Pelosi took over Congress.

 

[The Rabbi]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

Remind me how Democrats worked hard to make Bush's tenure a success.
Yeah, another talking point blown.

 

[Auld Phart]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

Remind me how Democrats worked hard to make Bush's tenure a success.
Yeah, another talking point blown.

Seriously.

Bush kept Congress for 6 years.

Clinton LOST Congress 2 years after he was elected.

Obama LOST the House 2 years into his first term,

and LOST the Senate 2 years into his second term.

 

[JimH52]

Since right wingers will not see the inside of the oval office for decades, their ONLY recourse is to bitch and moan at democrats for WHATEVER they may do.

They said something along those lines when WJC was elected too...

How did THAT work out?

Right now, Hillary is all you've got, and she probably wont' last til the convention.

They're starting to look at semis to replace the U-Haul carrying her baggage.

So, anyone can beat Trump.

 

[Auld Phart]

Since right wingers will not see the inside of the oval office for decades, their ONLY recourse is to bitch and moan at democrats for WHATEVER they may do.

They said something along those lines when WJC was elected too...

How did THAT work out?

Right now, Hillary is all you've got, and she probably wont' last til the convention.

They're starting to look at semis to replace the U-Haul carrying her baggage.

So, anyone can beat Trump.

Like Hillary, I dont' think Trump will be an issue a year from now.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

Remind me how Democrats worked hard to make Bush's tenure a success.
Yeah, another talking point blown.

Seriously.

Bush kept Congress for 6 years.

Clinton LOST Congress 2 years after he was elected.

Obama LOST the House 2 years into his first term,

and LOST the Senate 2 years into his second term.

Horrible, just horrible. Tsk, tsk.

Eisenhower lost the entire Congress just two years after he was elected.

And then, in the 1958 mid-terms, his party lost 15 more seats in the Senate.

So, please, let's keep comparing...

 

[Auld Phart]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

Remind me how Democrats worked hard to make Bush's tenure a success.
Yeah, another talking point blown.

Seriously.

Bush kept Congress for 6 years.

Clinton LOST Congress 2 years after he was elected.

Obama LOST the House 2 years into his first term,

and LOST the Senate 2 years into his second term.

Horrible, just horrible. Tsk, tsk.

Eisenhower lost the entire Congress just two years after he was elected.

And then, in the 1958 mid-terms, his party lost 15 more seats in the Senate.

So, please, let's keep comparing...

Eisenhower lost the entire Congress just two years after he was elected

as did Clinton, so I fail to see your point.

Unless, you point was, 40 years earlier, it happened to a Republican

 

[JimH52]

This is how successful W's presidency was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[108] In 2001, Bush's budget estimated that there would be a $5.6 trillion surplus over the next ten years.[109] Facing congressional opposition, Bush held townhall style meetings across the U.S. in order to increase public support for his plan for a $1.35 trillion tax cut program—one of the largest tax cuts in U.S. history.[58] Bush argued that unspent government funds should be returned to taxpayers, saying "the surplus is not the government's money. The surplus is the people's money."[58] Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned of a recession and Bush stated that a tax cut would stimulate the economy and create jobs.[110] Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, opposed some of the tax cuts on the basis that they would contribute to budget deficits and undermine Social Security.[111] O'Neill disputes the claim, made in Bush's book Decision Points, that he never openly disagreed with him on planned tax cuts.[112] By 2003, the economy showed signs of improvement, though job growth remained stagnant.[58]Another tax cut program was passed that year.

During the 2001 to 2008 years, GDP grew at an average annual rate of 2.125 percent,[113] less than for past business cycles.[114]

Bush entered office with the Dow Jones Industrial Average at 10,587, and the average peaked in October 2007 at over 14,000. When Bush left office, the average was at 7,949, one of the lowest levels of his presidency.[115]

 

[emilynghiem]

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

It wasn't just because Obama was "the black guy"....what really pissed right wingers off was the fact that Obama quickly became the successful, "black guy."

Dear nat4900
Obama WOULD have been successful in what he set out to do
if he had started as Vice President, used his position to build grassroots based communities
in each district and state to address poverty, build microlending networks to invest in
schools and replacements for prisons that these minority communities OWN and manage themselves.

THAT would be successfully breaking the cycle of poverty, oppression, disparity,
and overreliance on govt and charity handouts.

Instead we have a bunch of political agenda and infighting over what to push through federal
or what to keep at the state level.

NOTHING IS BEING BUILT on the ground level where the working people
AFFECTED by all this legislation mandated from the top down.

This is not helping the poor and working communities
still struggling to save our own neighborhoods robbed of resources
by this ever encroaching govt bureaucracy.

Obama ISSUED an Executive Order on Exctiesellence in African American Education.
Why aren't constituents funding that instead of funding more political campaigns for and against
ACA, gay marriage and all these other divisive issues costing us millions if not billions of dollars?
Why can't we invest that money directly in communities to rebuild programs on a SUSTAINABLE basis
instead of relying on politicians promising support. Why not pay directly into programs that work?

Obama MENTIONED microlending in his Cairo speech, but where is it?

Now he's looking at the need for Criminal Justice reform.

Well DUH!!!

Where do you think all the resources are being wasted
that COULD be paying for education and health care.

Success would be to identify these areas where the problems are backlogging,
solve those and redirect resources toward sustainable development
of community facilities for education, health and social services,
govt and business training so people become INDEPENDENT.

If Obama himself is DEPENDENT on politics and govt,
and not on directly building and managing programs
in ways that empower people, then how can he or anyone
TEACH that level of empowerment. All you are teaching is
to get heard you have to have billions of dollars to run for president.

That's not "equally empowering" anyone.
So it is still teaching dependence on OTHER PEOPLE to
organize billions of dollars to run for office.

We can't run a country that way, with people only
putting money into political campaigns to feel they have any power.
That's just paying other people to compete and fight for control.

How is this doing anything to build more schools
and clinics instead of more prisons?

Obama may be like Jimmy Carter who did more to change
the social and human condition by launching Habitat for Humanity
AFTER he was out of office.

So Obama may not even succeed at his real goals
until he works with the grassroots people instead of playing
political games in Washington trying to railroad programs through federal govt.

That is NOT where the power is. Sorry.

True Equality means empowering people to work locally on their own self-government
and economic viability. It does NOT mean teaching anyone to depend on federal officials in DC, whether the President or Supreme Court, to make decisions for them. We will NEVER be equal that way if we depend on govt to dictate and mandate for us.

It's the other way around. We the people should be building and leading, and then the govt should reflect what we are ALREADY doing. NOT dictating and managing from the top down.

 

[JimH52]

Good Point....,everyone holding and singing We are the World disappeared when the black guy was elected.

It wasn't just because Obama was "the black guy"....what really pissed right wingers off was the fact that Obama quickly became the successful, "black guy."

Dear nat4900
Obama WOULD have been successful in what he set out to do
if he had started as Vice President, used his position to build grassroots based communities
in each district and state to address poverty, build microlending networks to invest in
schools and replacements for prisons that these minority communities OWN and manage themselves.

THAT would be successfully breaking the cycle of poverty, oppression, disparity,
and overreliance on govt and charity handouts.

Instead we have a bunch of political agenda and infighting over what to push through federal
or what to keep at the state level.

NOTHING IS BEING BUILT on the ground level where the working people
AFFECTED by all this legislation mandated from the top down.

This is not helping the poor and working communities
still struggling to save our own neighborhoods robbed of resources
by this ever encroaching govt bureaucracy.

Obama ISSUED an Executive Order on Exctiesellence in African American Education.
Why aren't constituents funding that instead of funding more political campaigns for and against
ACA, gay marriage and all these other divisive issues costing us millions if not billions of dollars?
Why can't we invest that money directly in communities to rebuild programs on a SUSTAINABLE basis
instead of relying on politicians promising support. Why not pay directly into programs that work?

Obama MENTIONED microlending in his Cairo speech, but where is it?

Now he's looking at the need for Criminal Justice reform.

Well DUH!!!

Where do you think all the resources are being wasted
that COULD be paying for education and health care.

Success would be to identify these areas where the problems are backlogging,
solve those and redirect resources toward sustainable development
of community facilities for education, health and social services,
govt and business training so people become INDEPENDENT.

If Obama himself is DEPENDENT on politics and govt,
and not on directly building and managing programs
in ways that empower people, then how can he or anyone
TEACH that level of empowerment. All you are teaching is
to get heard you have to have billions of dollars to run for president.

That's not "equally empowering" anyone.
So it is still teaching dependence on OTHER PEOPLE to
organize billions of dollars to run for office.

We can't run a country that way, with people only
putting money into political campaigns to feel they have any power.
That's just paying other people to compete and fight for control.

How is this doing anything to build more schools
and clinics instead of more prisons?

Obama may be like Jimmy Carter who did more to change
the social and human condition by launching Habitat for Humanity
AFTER he was out of office.

So Obama may not even succeed at his real goals
until he works with the grassroots people instead of playing
political games in Washington trying to railroad programs through federal govt.

That is NOT where the power is. Sorry.

True Equality means empowering people to work locally on their own self-government
and economic viability. It does NOT mean teaching anyone to depend on federal officials in DC, whether the President or Supreme Court, to make decisions for them. We will NEVER be equal that way if we depend on govt to dictate and mandate for us.

It's the other way around. We the people should be building and leading, and then the govt should reflect what we are ALREADY doing. NOT dictating and managing from the top down.

So if Obama had first been VP, then Hillary would be President in 2008. You okay with that then?

 

[JimH52]

Since right wingers will not see the inside of the oval office for decades, their ONLY recourse is to bitch and moan at democrats for WHATEVER they may do.

They said something along those lines when WJC was elected too...

How did THAT work out?

Right now, Hillary is all you've got, and she probably wont' last til the convention.

They're starting to look at semis to replace the U-Haul carrying her baggage.

So, anyone can beat Trump.

Like Hillary, I dont' think Trump will be an issue a year from now.

Oh, I think Trump will be. Hillary, I don't know. It depends much of a mess this e-mail thing is. It was totally her fault and arrogance. I didn't vote ll when he ran against HW Bush. I thought the scandals would sink them. They survived. I think Hillary will survive, but it is to be seen.

Trump will run, either as a Republican or as Third Party. He won't go away quietly.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

It's as arrogant as it is reprehensible and irresponsible.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We all know who gave us the Recession.

Yes, we do.

All of you

 

[JimH52]

We all know who gave us the Recession.

Yes, we do.

All of you

This is from Wikipedia. Facts....not GOP Hooey.....

The increase in spending was more than under any predecessor since Lyndon B. Johnson.[106] The number of economic regulation governmental workers increased by 91,196.[107]

The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[108] In 2001, Bush's budget estimated that there would be a $5.6 trillion surplus over the next ten years.[109] Facing congressional opposition, Bush held townhall style meetings across the U.S. in order to increase public support for his plan for a $1.35 trillion tax cut program—one of the largest tax cuts in U.S. history.[58] Bush argued that unspent government funds should be returned to taxpayers, saying "the surplus is not the government's money. The surplus is the people's money."[58] Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned of a recession and Bush stated that a tax cut would stimulate the economy and create jobs.[110] Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, opposed some of the tax cuts on the basis that they would contribute to budget deficits and undermine Social Security.[111] O'Neill disputes the claim, made in Bush's book Decision Points, that he never openly disagreed with him on planned tax cuts.[112] By 2003, the economy showed signs of improvement, though job growth remained stagnant.[58] Another tax cut program was passed that year.

During the 2001 to 2008 years, GDP grew at an average annual rate of 2.125 percent,[113] less than for past business cycles.[114]

Bush entered office with the Dow Jones Industrial Average at 10,587, and the average peaked in October 2007 at over 14,000. When Bush left office, the average was at 7,949, one of the lowest levels of his presidency.[115]


Deficit and debt increases 2001–2009. Gross debt has increased over $500 billion each year since FY2003.
Unemployment originally rose from 4.2 percent in January 2001 to 6.3 percent in June 2003, but subsequently dropped to 4.5 percent as of July 2007.[116] Adjusted for inflation, median household income dropped by $1,175 between 2000 and 2007,[117] while Professor Ken Homa of Georgetown University has noted that "Median real after-tax household income went up 2%".[118] The poverty rate increased from 11.3 percent in 2000 to 12.3 percent in 2006 after peaking at 12.7 percent in 2004.[119] By October 2008, due to increases in spending,[120] the national debt had risen to $11.3 trillion,[121] an increase of over 100 percent from 2000 when the debt was only $5.6 trillion.[122][123] Most debt was accumulated as a result of what became known as the "Bush tax cuts" and increased national security spending.[124] In March 2006, then-Senator Barack Obama said when he voted against raising the debt ceiling: "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."[125] By the end of Bush's presidency, unemployment climbed to 7.2 percent.[126]

In December 2007, the United States entered the longest post–World War II recession,[127] which included a housing market correction, a subprime mortgage crisis, soaring oil prices, and a declining dollar value.[128] In February, 63,000 jobs were lost, a five-year record.[129][130] To aid with the situation, Bush signed a $170 billion economic stimulus package which was intended to improve the economic situation by sending tax rebate checks to many Americans and providing tax breaks for struggling businesses. The Bush administration pushed for significantly increased regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003,[131] and after two years, the regulations passed the House but died in the Senate. Many Republican senators, as well as influential members of the Bush Administration, feared that the agency created by these regulations would merely be mimicking the private sector's risky practices.[132][133][134] In September 2008, the crisis became much more serious beginning with the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac followed by the collapse of Lehman Brothers and a federal bailout of American International Group for $85 billion.[135]

Many economists and world governments determined that the situation became the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.[136][137] Additional regulation over the housing market would have been beneficial, according to former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.[138] Bush, meanwhile, proposed a financial rescue plan to buy back a large portion of the U.S. mortgage market.[139] Vince Reinhardt, a former Federal Reserve economist now at the American Enterprise Institute, said "it would have helped for the Bush administration to empower the folks at Treasury and the Federal Reserve and the comptroller of the currency and the FDIC to look at these issues more closely", and additionally, that it would have helped "for Congress to have held hearings".[133]

In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years.[140] The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost.[141] By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs.[142]
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So do we need another GOP President....I DON'T THINK SO!