How the GOP became the Party of No!

[JimH52]

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/


President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

STOP OBAMA WAS THE CRY! Even if it was bad for the Country! Stop Obama!

 

[The Rabbi]

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/


President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

STOP OBAMA WAS THE CRY! Even if it was bad for the Country! Stop Obama!

No, Democrats are the party of No. Everything the GOP passes gets killed in the Senate or Obama vetoes it. Why are the Democrats obstructing government?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

 

[JimH52]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

 

[JimH52]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

Because the Party of NO! stopped him at every turn.

 

[emilynghiem]

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

STOP OBAMA WAS THE CRY! Even if it was bad for the Country! Stop Obama!

Dear JimH52

The REAL division and alienation of the Right by the Left
started as violent opposition with CLINTON and the Prolife extremists
fearing the federal govt was "Prochoice" and pitted against them with NO representation
or protection. That's when I see the sides dividing as enemies trying to take back govt.

With Clinton in the 1990's, not Obama.

That's when the bombings picked up at clinics and later shooting of abortion doctors,
and/or threats to target and kill doctors.

When Bush and the Iraq War pushed to the same extreme of
turning the Left in "violent opposition" against the GOP enabling
all kinds of overreaching by federal and executive authority after 9/11,
then the warmongering attitude was DOUBLED in the media.

Or tripled if you add the "Global Warming" hysterics
that Gore politicized and commercialized, beyond recognition
of REAL environmentalists who aren't just "pimping" the GREEN vote..

Now with the pushing of political beliefs of
"right to health care" and 'right to marriage" through federal courts and govt
(where if anyone opposed either one on Constitutional grounds,
that didn't matter, you were still pegged as either a RACIST or a HOMOPHOBE),
It is clear these parties need to separate because neither side will change their beliefs,
nor can the damage be undone, so the "policies in dispute" are just going to have to
be "separated" and apply to their respective populations without affecting the other.
That's what I would recommend to allow "free exercise" of respective beliefs,
but without the GOVT establishing one way or another -- let the people decide
on their own mandates by party and pledge to fund and follow those!

The real ALIENATION started with CLINTON
before Obama who merely added his LAYER to the mix.

It does not help when Obama FURTHER alienates and DEMONIZES half of the nation.
When he targets the "wealthy white man" as the worst enemy,
of course that mirrors the equal perception of blaming "poor blacks and minorities"
for all the crime and cost to taxpayers. Both sides blame the other by CLASS,
rich vs. poor, as come to be symbolized by white vs. black.

Of course, the people insulted at such generalizations
and "assumed guilty by association by group" are
going to respond by attacking back.

In the meantime, the REAL solutions to political and economic issues
have nothing to do with bullying back and forth.
That's all a distraction compared with the REAL work it takes
to really address and resolve problems.

Yelling back and forth, blaming each for why the house is a wreck
and nobody's cleaning it up, isn't the same as fixing the messes around the house.

====================================================
At this point, I'd just recommend to the citizens paying for all this mess,
to form legal teams, assess the COSTS of the political agenda items contested and rejected
as not legitimate approved use of govt;
and charge BOTH parties for the billions if not trillions of dollars their leadership has racked up.
{For example, charging BOTH parties 24 billion est. in losses due to the federal shutdown over the ACA budget.)

if they don't have money to pay back taxpayers for waste and abuses,
they can pay on credit, and the people claiming the restitution at taxpayer expense
can select key property or programs to hold as "collateral"
until the funding can be paid back by the wrongdoers.

That way, the same amount of money WASTED on crime and conflict
can be credited and paid back into solutions the public AGREES to fund,
and then charge the wrongdoers with paying off that restitution "over time" as the money they owe to taxpayers
for their acts of abuses, corruption, violations or

The same way I would say
Obama only followed the minimum of military action Bush already put into place,
he also followed up on what the Clintons both pushed as the
Corporate Liberal Agenda in the media.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

Because the Party of NO! stopped him at every turn.

P.S. The Conservatives and Constitutionalists
said NO to health insurance mandates and
NO to implementing gay marriage through the state.

Both on Constitutional grounds.
And yet both still got pushed as political beliefs
when Govt is not supposed to establish faith-based policies for people.

What happened to voting NO?
Why isn't there respect for CONSENT and representation of the people?

JimH52 for the party complaining that the GOP is waging a 'war against women'
when it comes to accepting that NO means NO, why
are the Liberal Left taking "NO" to mean "but they
really mean YES" and are just saying NO to be political.

That's the same mentality when someone doesn't
respect when a woman says NO and commits rape,
and then claims it was consensual.

JimH52 why are you insinuated it is wrong or bad to say NO?
Do you think it is a good thing to override someone's objections,
discredit them and justify pushing your interests on them?

Isn't that the same mentality behind bullying and rape,
where saying NO is seen as an invitation to attack and subdue the person?

Is this coercive tactic what you believe in using to form govt policy?
Do you believe the best rational decisions are made by beating people up, or down?

 

[bedowin62]

WHOA NELLY!!!


left-wing nutjobs are re-hashing their old talking points? I thought this one died

oh well it goes with their wrinkled old re-hashed Dem candidates

 

[JimH52]

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”

STOP OBAMA WAS THE CRY! Even if it was bad for the Country! Stop Obama!

Dear JimH52

The REAL division and alienation of the Right by the Left
started as violent opposition with CLINTON and the Prolife extremists
fearing the federal govt was "Prochoice" and pitted against them with NO representation
or protection. That's when I see the sides dividing as enemies trying to take back govt.

With Clinton in the 1990's, not Obama.

That's when the bombings picked up at clinics and later shooting of abortion doctors,
and/or threats to target and kill doctors.

When Bush and the Iraq War pushed to the same extreme of
turning the Left in "violent opposition" against the GOP enabling
all kinds of overreaching by federal and executive authority after 9/11,
then the warmongering attitude was DOUBLED in the media.

Or tripled if you add the "Global Warming" hysterics
that Gore politicized and commercialized, beyond recognition
of REAL environmentalists who aren't just "pimping" the GREEN vote..

Now with the pushing of political beliefs of
"right to health care" and 'right to marriage" through federal courts and govt
(where if anyone opposed either one on Constitutional grounds,
that didn't matter, you were still pegged as either a RACIST or a HOMOPHOBE),
It is clear these parties need to separate because neither side will change their beliefs,
nor can the damage be undone, so the "policies in dispute" are just going to have to
be "separated" and apply to their respective populations without affecting the other.
That's what I would recommend to allow "free exercise" of respective beliefs,
but without the GOVT establishing one way or another -- let the people decide
on their own mandates by party and pledge to fund and follow those!

The real ALIENATION started with CLINTON
before Obama who merely added his LAYER to the mix.

It does not help when Obama FURTHER alienates and DEMONIZES half of the nation.
When he targets the "wealthy white man" as the worst enemy,
of course that mirrors the equal perception of blaming "poor blacks and minorities"
for all the crime and cost to taxpayers. Both sides blame the other by CLASS,
rich vs. poor, as come to be symbolized by white vs. black.

Of course, the people insulted at such generalizations
and "assumed guilty by association by group" are
going to respond by attacking back.

In the meantime, the REAL solutions to political and economic issues
have nothing to do with bullying back and forth.
That's all a distraction compared with the REAL work it takes
to really address and resolve problems.

Yelling back and forth, blaming each for why the house is a wreck
and nobody's cleaning it up, isn't the same as fixing the messes around the house.

====================================================
At this point, I'd just recommend to the citizens paying for all this mess,
to form legal teams, assess the COSTS of the political agenda items contested and rejected
as not legitimate approved use of govt;
and charge BOTH parties for the billions if not trillions of dollars their leadership has racked up.
{For example, charging BOTH parties 24 billion est. in losses due to the federal shutdown over the ACA budget.)

if they don't have money to pay back taxpayers for waste and abuses,
they can pay on credit, and the people claiming the restitution at taxpayer expense
can select key property or programs to hold as "collateral"
until the funding can be paid back by the wrongdoers.

That way, the same amount of money WASTED on crime and conflict
can be credited and paid back into solutions the public AGREES to fund,
and then charge the wrongdoers with paying off that restitution "over time" as the money they owe to taxpayers
for their acts of abuses, corruption, violations or

The same way I would say
Obama only followed the minimum of military action Bush already put into place,
he also followed up on what the Clintons both pushed as the
Corporate Liberal Agenda in the media.

As usual........Delusional....,

 

[JimH52]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

Because the Party of NO! stopped him at every turn.

P.S. The Conservatives and Constitutionalists
said NO to health insurance mandates and
NO to implementing gay marriage through the state.

Both on Constitutional grounds.
And yet both still got pushed as political beliefs
when Govt is not supposed to establish faith-based policies for people.

What happened to voting NO?
Why isn't there respect for CONSENT and representation of the people?

JimH52 for the party complaining that the GOP is waging a 'war against women'
when it comes to accepting that NO means NO, why
are the Liberal Left taking "NO" to mean "but they
really mean YES" and are just saying NO to be political.

That's the same mentality when someone doesn't
respect when a woman says NO and commits rape,
and then claims it was consensual.

JimH52 why are you insinuated it is wrong or bad to say NO?
Do you think it is a good thing to override someone's objections,
discredit them and justify pushing your interests on them?

Isn't that the same mentality behind bullying and rape,
where saying NO is seen as an invitation to attack and subdue the person?

Is this coercive tactic what you believe in using to form govt policy?
Do you believe the best rational decisions are made by beating people up, or down?

Of course you conveniently left out W and DICK'S lies. But we all know the truth.....so carry on.....

 

[nat4900]

Since right wingers will not see the inside of the oval office for decades, their ONLY recourse is to bitch and moan at democrats for WHATEVER they may do.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

Because the Party of NO! stopped him at every turn.

Stopped what? He got the failed stimulus, he got obamacare, he got everything he wanted -- that's why the economy blows

 

[bripat9643]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

Harry Reid, Nazi Pelosi, and Obama turned a recession into a major depression.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

We know who stretched it out for 7 years now, thank you Democrats

Because the Party of NO! stopped him at every turn.

P.S. The Conservatives and Constitutionalists
said NO to health insurance mandates and
NO to implementing gay marriage through the state.

Both on Constitutional grounds.
And yet both still got pushed as political beliefs
when Govt is not supposed to establish faith-based policies for people.

What happened to voting NO?
Why isn't there respect for CONSENT and representation of the people?

JimH52 for the party complaining that the GOP is waging a 'war against women'
when it comes to accepting that NO means NO, why
are the Liberal Left taking "NO" to mean "but they
really mean YES" and are just saying NO to be political.

That's the same mentality when someone doesn't
respect when a woman says NO and commits rape,
and then claims it was consensual.

JimH52 why are you insinuated it is wrong or bad to say NO?
Do you think it is a good thing to override someone's objections,
discredit them and justify pushing your interests on them?

Isn't that the same mentality behind bullying and rape,
where saying NO is seen as an invitation to attack and subdue the person?

Is this coercive tactic what you believe in using to form govt policy?
Do you believe the best rational decisions are made by beating people up, or down?

Of course you conveniently left out W and DICK'S lies. But we all know the truth.....so carry on.....

Dear JimH52
I rolled that altogeher under BUSH
because that's what my leftwing friends do.
Just see that all as BUSH and his war,
which includes all that you mention as part of that whole mess.

P.S. do you think it is "delusional" to account for the 30 trillion in war spending and demand that
so much be invested into rebuilding infrastructure, schools and medical services?

What is wrong with asking for accountability
instead of just using these "talking points" to rally for elections and candidates.

It sounds groundless to me JimH52
only to care about these issues to get X Y Z people voted in or out,
but then do NOTHING to get taxpayers paid back for TRILLIONS
being spent at our expense REGARDLESS who gets into office.

That is like arguing if you want A or B picture on your credit card,
and making a big deal on whose name is on it and who is authorized to sign.

But then not watching the billions in charges being put on this card
the taxpayers are expected to pay for, while the names and faces CHANGE.

We still get stuck with the bill.
Why aren't you looking at how are we going to deal with those costs racking up?

 

[emilynghiem]

Yawn.

This is so fucking boring already. Dems had a Super Majority and they gave us the worst recession since the FDR Depression

We all know who gave us the Recession. THANK YOU W!

Harry Reid, Nazi Pelosi, and Obama turned a recession into a major depression.

Regardless of what can or cannot be proven economically (and/or blamed on previous administrations)

What Pelosi and Obama (and Roberts and Kennedy on the Supreme Court) have done
is taken political BELIEFS out of the Democratic Platform
and passed them off as law as NATIONALIZED RELIGION.

That you can show happened with specific bills and court rulings.
You cannot blame those votes or rulings on any other than the
specific PEOPLE who signed their names.

If we keep allowing Political BELIEFS to be mandated and authorized this way,
we are legitimizing it. That's why I enforce the interpretation of these
as Political BELIEFS that govt has no authority to mandate for the public.

That's why I am arguing everyone LEFT AND RIGHT
should demand their respective parties implement their own systems
as RESTITUTION for the waste of at least 24 billion deadlocking over beliefs about health care.

 

[nat4900]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

 

[emilynghiem]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

Dear @nat4000
Bush supporters will also point out that Bush survived a huge movement to oust him from office.
America would rather keep the same President both terms than change horses midstream.

You can ask people if Bush staying in office for the second term
changed their minds about what a disaster he was either.

I don't think that is any indication of how good their policies are or aren't.
It's about politics and how both sides are resistant to change
and cause these divisions and disruptions instead of
resolving conflicts directly and working through changes civilly.

It's still a step up from violent civil revolutions.
We are more civilized in the verbal attacks back and forth
and "character assassinations in the media"

But we are not solving our country's problems this way,
by wasting billions of resources fighting to be in charge
instead of using those resources to create jobs and reforms
directly where they are needed, and reward everyone for working and contributing,
not just trying to get certain people in office who can't do all the work required from there.

 

[JimH52]

Days after Obama was sworn in (2009) right wingers in congress VOWED to make him a one-term president....ergo, object to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.......When even that didn't work and Obama was re-elected......morons' only recourse was the birther movement....the Muslim accusations...and, of course, that Obama is a traitor.....

Hate is a powerful impulse for losers.

"One Term President" How did that work out for them?......

 

[nat4900]

Dear @nat4000
Bush supporters will also point out that Bush survived a huge movement to oust him from office.
America would rather keep the same President both terms than change horses midstream.

The main difference is....the bipartisan support that Bush elicited after 9-11...and the complete nay-saying by republicans to ward Obama proposals when facing another disaster ......the severe recession which began in 2008.