How many thousands of jobs did the GOP leadership create from the Stimulus?

[daveman]

Hey, derp, what happens to a stimulus-funded job when the money runs out?

Check out post #4.

I want your ideas, or the irrationality you use instead of ideas.

 

[daveman]

Hey, derp, what happens to a stimulus-funded job when the money runs out?

Do you realize you're not very bright? I think of myself as "average", but you? Must be rough.

I'm bright enough to know The Onion is not a news source but made-up satire.

So I'm brighter than you.

 

[Chris]

Hey, derp, what happens to a stimulus-funded job when the money runs out?

Check out post #4.

I want your ideas, or the irrationality you use instead of ideas.

You have no facts only personal insults.

 

[hortysir]

So then where would your sheriff be? In a tent? Doesn't sound like he asked for too much money.

In a tent? Why?
You don't think we had a Sheriff's office prior to the money?

And, BTW, the Sheriff is a she-dem.

There were several less-expensive options, but they locked in the money to the lease.
None of it even went towards new equipment.

$3 million sounds like a lot to us.....

Is it only an office or did it include cells and interrogation rooms and all the associated ordinances and equipment?

Let me clarify.
A new Sheriff's department building. Not just her office.

My congress-critter has tacked on pork for the Everglades, SWFWMD (we affectionately call Swift Mud - our water management district), and a couple other pet projects.
That's really my beef with him, is the pork and that he took stimulus monies.

My problem with how the money was spent is with my Sheriff.
She's a democrat so I didn't vote for her to begin with, so there's no love lost.

 

[daveman]

Check out post #4.

I want your ideas, or the irrationality you use instead of ideas.

You have no facts only personal insults.

I think you meant to direct that to derp.

 

[MeBelle]

Are those permanent jobs or temp?

That is such an easy question to answer. I'm embarrassed to have to answer it for you. You would think it's so obvious. Guess not. Oh well, here goes.

When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?

Those who throw the first insult...FAIL the debate!

 

[Chris]

Are those permanent jobs or temp?

That is such an easy question to answer. I'm embarrassed to have to answer it for you. You would think it's so obvious. Guess not. Oh well, here goes.

When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?

Those who throw the first insult...FAIL the debate!

It's much bigger than that.

The stimulus saved our economy.

 

[hortysir]

Representative Ron Paul (TX-14) - Representative Ron Paul showed his hypocrisy after asking the Obama Administration for three billion in funds for NASA from the economic recovery act, which he voted against. Members of the Texas delegation signed the letter, including two Republican Senators and 19 House Republicans who all voted against the recovery act in February. [Texas delegation wants stimulus money for NASA, Houston Chronicle, 10/5/09]

 

[hortysir]

Representative Adam Putnam (FL-12) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09]

• Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-18) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09] "'Just because you vote no, doesn't mean you don't get the money,' assured Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.). ‘We will fight like tigers for us to get our share.'" [National League of Cities; 3/2/09]

• Representative Lincoln Diaz-Balart (FL-21) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09] "Miami Republican Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart also voted against the bill but secured funding - from $600,000 for Hialeah's police department to upgrade equipment to $6 million for the University of Miami's William Lehman Injury Research Center." [Miami Herald; 3/3/09]

• Representative Tom Rooney (FL-16) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09]"'The money's coming, Rooney said. ‘So I can sit on the sidelines or I can advocate for my constituents. I think it would be irresponsible of me not to fight for what I think is important in that money.'" [Palm Beach Post; 2/22/09]

• Representative Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09] "Miami Republican Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart also voted against the bill but secured funding - from $600,000 for Hialeah's police department to upgrade equipment to $6 million for the University of Miami's William Lehman Injury Research Center." [Miami Herald; 3/3/09]

• Representative Ginny Brown-Waite (FL-05) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09]

• Representative Cliff Stearns (FL-06) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09]

• Representative Bill Posey (FL-15) - "Nine GOP House members from Florida, all stimulus no's, joined nine of their Democratic colleagues, all yesses, in asking the feds to grant a waiver giving them access to, you guessed it, hundreds of millions in state stabilization stimulus cash." [Politico; 2/19/09]

 

[daveman]

It's much bigger than that.

The stimulus saved our economy.

"Obama 2012 -- Who You Gonna Believe, Me Or Your Own Lyin' Bank Account"?

We keep hearing your Kool-Aid-fueled crap. It keeps on not being credible.

You will reply: "But it would have been so much worse!"

Uh huh. The worst-case projections for how it would be if we didn't have it are better than what we have with it.

You may as well claim the sun would have exploded if we didn't have the stimulus, and Obama saved the entire planet.

 

[Clementine]

Some of the jobs cost millions each to create. Are we supposed to cheer about billions of tax payers going to shore up unions and pay back buddies of Obama? There was a lot of crap in that stimulus bill, the least of which is government granting themselves authority to breech our right to privacy and spy on our children in school. So, we know a few of the jobs that were created at an exorbitant cost were some henchmen for the administration.

 

[MeBelle]

That is such an easy question to answer. I'm embarrassed to have to answer it for you. You would think it's so obvious. Guess not. Oh well, here goes.

When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?

Those who throw the first insult...FAIL the debate!

It's much bigger than that.

The stimulus saved our economy.

Chris, did you morph into rdean?

 

[rdean]

I want your ideas, or the irrationality you use instead of ideas.

You have no facts only personal insults.

I think you meant to direct that to derp.

Read post number 4. Those are facts. Unless, could it be? You don't know what a bridge is? Or what railroads are used for? Or how broadband helps business. You don't do you?

Like I said, must be rough.

 

[rdean]

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?

Those who throw the first insult...FAIL the debate!

It's much bigger than that.

The stimulus saved our economy.

Chris, did you morph into rdean?

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?


The answer is right there in front of you. Which part of this you don't understand?


When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

I underlined the pertinent words and phrases. Did that help? I gave you a REAL example.

You can lead a horse to water......

 

[Two Thumbs]

With more than 200,000 employees, DHS is the third largest Cabinet department, after the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.[6] Homeland security policy is coordinated at the White House by the Homeland Security Council. Other agencies with significant homeland security responsibilities include the Departments of Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy.

United States Department of Homeland Security - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the only way government can create jobs. By growing in size and hiring more and more people until it can't be afforded, then we borrow and borrow until we have to devalue our dollar.

Then the socialist move in and we all work for the government.

 

[rdean]

With more than 200,000 employees, DHS is the third largest Cabinet department, after the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs.[6] Homeland security policy is coordinated at the White House by the Homeland Security Council. Other agencies with significant homeland security responsibilities include the Departments of Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy.

United States Department of Homeland Security - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's the only way government can create jobs. By growing in size and hiring more and more people until it can't be afforded, then we borrow and borrow until we have to devalue our dollar.

Then the socialist move in and we all work for the government.

That's ridiculous. NASA has thousands of patents and licenses it sells outright that is a huge part of our economic base. NASA is only one government center of new innovations and technology. Those patents have resulted in creating millions of jobs. You can actually go to the NASA site and check them out, what they do and what they are used for and who bought them. How they were developed and so on. That's what the Internet is for. So we can learn more than lying talking points.

You guys sit in front of the Internet. If you're going to repeat talking points, at least make sure they are true and not stupid. If they at least sound reasonable, then OK. But stupid is just wrong.

Private-sector jobs up 1.8 millon, government jobs down 547,000 in last year: Sunday's Numbers. That's right. Obama has cut more than a half millions government jobs. Republicans say he has created the most of any president and not a single stimulus job was created. Republicans won't be able to debate using lies. Obama is too smart and with the Internet, Americans can find out the truth. You can only run on lies so much. Remember "Jobs Jobs Jobs"? Turns out it was "Lies Lies Lies".

Private-sector jobs up 1.8 millon, government jobs down 547,000 in last year: Sunday's Numbers | cleveland.com

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics data

 

[rdean]

In a tent? Why?
You don't think we had a Sheriff's office prior to the money?

And, BTW, the Sheriff is a she-dem.

There were several less-expensive options, but they locked in the money to the lease.
None of it even went towards new equipment.

$3 million sounds like a lot to us.....

Is it only an office or did it include cells and interrogation rooms and all the associated ordinances and equipment?

Let me clarify.
A new Sheriff's department building. Not just her office.

My congress-critter has tacked on pork for the Everglades, SWFWMD (we affectionately call Swift Mud - our water management district), and a couple other pet projects.
That's really my beef with him, is the pork and that he took stimulus monies.

My problem with how the money was spent is with my Sheriff.
She's a democrat so I didn't vote for her to begin with, so there's no love lost.

Well that makes sense.

We have to be careful what we call "pork". When McCain was running for president, Republicans were going nuts making fun of funding studies to find out why honeybees are disappearing. The US depends on over 15 billion dollars that comes directly from Honeybee pollination. 40% of honeybee colonies died out and no one new why. The US depends on government and scientists to figure these things out.

To read about it, do a search on "Honeybees dying". Republicans also made fun of a study of bears and DNA. The reason that's important is because we want to make sure the bear population doesn't become inbred. They are an apex predator and important to the environment. Also, if they are healthy, it points to a healthy ecology. When animals and plants become sick, people aren't far behind. This is why science and government are important. To find problems and solve them before they become disasters. Republicans think they just sit on their butts and do nothing. If they did, we would see a very different world.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=10....,cf.osb&fp=d4bbda87bf5c44b5&biw=1742&bih=882

 

[MeBelle]

It's much bigger than that.

The stimulus saved our economy.

Chris, did you morph into rdean?

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?


The answer is right there in front of you. Which part of this you don't understand?


When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

I underlined the pertinent words and phrases. Did that help? I gave you a REAL example.

You can lead a horse to water......

Then your answer would be BOTH!
Next question: What happens when the stimulus money runs out?

Let me answer for you...the perm jobs go away.
All the recipients of your stim funds went to gov't agencies/school boards and building infrastructure. When the building is done, the job is over. There are no terms in the stim funds that address continuing employment.
Some of the stim funds 'saved' some jobs...but only temporarily.

Hey, let's kick the can down the road instead of fixing the problem!

 

[rdean]

Chris, did you morph into rdean?

The questions was perm or temp.
So the answer is....?


The answer is right there in front of you. Which part of this you don't understand?


When you put in broad band Internet to allow business to expand, the infrastructure to install is temp, the technicians required to maintain are permanent. But the number of jobs created by expanding business is huge. Have you ever seen that commercial about the company that makes specialty baking flour? Because of broadband, they now have an extra warehouse that moves their goods as well as all the jobs associated.


Then of course, there are the railroads. Building the railroad is temp, maintaining is permanent, but connecting the communities creates all kinds of new job opportunities, just like broadband. This is why Democrats want to build up American infrastructure. Building a bridge connects communities, which expands business opportunities. Hope that helped.

I underlined the pertinent words and phrases. Did that help? I gave you a REAL example.

You can lead a horse to water......

Then your answer would be BOTH!
Next question: What happens when the stimulus money runs out?

Let me answer for you...the perm jobs go away.
All the recipients of your stim funds went to gov't agencies/school boards and building infrastructure. When the building is done, the job is over. There are no terms in the stim funds that address continuing employment.
Some of the stim funds 'saved' some jobs...but only temporarily.

Hey, let's kick the can down the road instead of fixing the problem!

What is wrong with you? Think!

That broad band is NOT going away. Once it's put in place, the companies that use it to sell their goods pay for the service. The temporary jobs was putting it there in the first place, but once there, it's self sustaining.

Just like the electrical grid that powers your computer. To build it took "temporary" jobs. But once built, you pay to use that electricity. That money goes to keeping it working and to power business which makes jobs.

Do all Republicans think like you?

 

[Billy000]

I don't get tired of seeing these graphs, but do you think it sinks in for the cons on this board?