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Clue: The USA was built and achieved greatness upon the concept and principle of wealth redistribution.
Try US History 101
The idea that wealth redistribution is a new and foreign concept alien to American Capitalism is nothing but bullshit
(shrugs)Prove it.
Start with the financing and resolution of debt for the War of Independence...
then let us know what you think of disbursement of tax dollars throughout America's growth as a great nation
Sux 2 B U
(shrugs)Prove it.
Start with the financing and resolution of debt for the War of Independence...
then let us know what you think of disbursement of tax dollars throughout America's growth as a great nation
Sux 2 B U
The economics is the study of the distribution (and redistribution) of scarce resources. Money is one of those resources. Try to keep up.
(shrugs)Prove it.
Start with the financing and resolution of debt for the War of Independence...
then let us know what you think of disbursement of tax dollars throughout America's growth as a great nation
Sux 2 B U
Dante please, no more of your opinions.
Just go get srces from the Founding Fathers and the Federalist Papers to support your claim.
George Bush would disagree with you.
".... For all Americans, we must confront the rising cost of care.... "
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE
February 15, 2006
Kaiser and other studies say otherwise.
This is the average cost of insurance premiums.
and
Here is one with 2011
And with 2012
The fact of the matter is that health care costs and insurance premiums have continued to rise for better than a decade. Attributing the rise simply PPACA is pure folly.
This is the facts about the rate of increase;
"Kaiser crunched the numbers and says yes, but only modestly:
The two provisions in the Affordable Care Act likely to have the greatest effect on the premiums for employer-sponsored health coverage in 2011 are allowing children up to age 26 to remain on their parents plans and requiring plans that are not grandfathered to provide preventive services with no patient cost-sharing. Our analysis, based in part on estimates provided by federal agencies when regulations implementing these provisions were issued, suggests that these provisions are responsible for 1-2 percentage points of the 9% increase in family premiums in 2011. (emphasis added)
Stripping out those two specific ACA effects, premiums would still have increased by 7-8% according to Kaisers estimates."
A more compact view is
This is the PPACA law.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf
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2012 - The Year In Healthcare Charts - Forbes
Reforming Health Care for the 21st Century
Let me know when you post something germaine to the conversation actually taking place in this thred i.e. Obama's lie about keeping any plan you liked.
It will be easy, all you have to do is get an actual clue as to reality. Then it all becomes perfectly clear.
To begin, health care premiums have been increasing since before 2009 and PPACA had nothing to do with it.
Second, prior to PPACA, states regulated insurance companies, requiring them to comply with state standards. By agreement, health insurance companies were not subject to federal anti-trust laws. This resulted in varying standards from state to state and natural oligopolies in the health insurance markets of states.
There is simply nothing about PPACA that is responsible for any effects that you would so like to claim except that there is now a common standard across the country so, as someone else pointed out, you now get at least as much as before and likely more. That isn't "not getting to keep the plan you had." That is getting to keep the plan you had with additional coverage.
The fact of the matter is, you don't suddenly pay attention then attribute all that you were previously ignorant about to what you just noticed. That isn't how causality works.
Perhaps the problem you are having is that there is nothing in your concept of PPACA, health insurance, and the health care markets that is germane to reality.
At the very foundation, the issues with regard to the healthcare markets are so far beyond your over-simplistic view of reality that your very perception isn't germane to the thread.
If you have family coverage, then the fact of the matter is that now that insurance must cover your dependent children up to the age of 26. So, by that standard, you don't get to "keep the coverage you had". And there is no provision in the law that forces insurance companies to keep supplying a plan, just because you like it.
And, if you had bothered to read PPACA, like the rest of us, you would have known this back in 2009.
Your ignorance isn't anyone else's problem.
So, like I said, here is the link to PPACA
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf
Try reading the table of contents. It's the place to start and you won't be caught off guard next time you decide to open your eyes and look around.
Start with the financing and resolution of debt for the War of Independence...
then let us know what you think of disbursement of tax dollars throughout America's growth as a great nation
Sux 2 B U
The economics is the study of the distribution (and redistribution) of scarce resources. Money is one of those resources. Try to keep up.
Keep up, economics?
Whatever planet ou parachuted in from....please....stfu. my head is hurting
Start with the financing and resolution of debt for the War of Independence...
then let us know what you think of disbursement of tax dollars throughout America's growth as a great nation
Sux 2 B U
Dante please, no more of your opinions.
Just go get srces from the Founding Fathers and the Federalist Papers to support your claim.
Facts you dislike now become opinions? Huh?
The economics is the study of the distribution (and redistribution) of scarce resources. Money is one of those resources. Try to keep up.
Keep up, economics?
Whatever planet ou parachuted in from....please....stfu. my head is hurting
Meant to trim your response out. Antares is way behind. My bad.
The economics is the study of the distribution (and redistribution) of scarce resources. Money is one of those resources. Try to keep up.
Keep up, economics?
Whatever planet ou parachuted in from....please....stfu. my head is hurting
Meant to trim your response out. Antares is way behind. My bad.
Keep up, economics?
Whatever planet ou parachuted in from....please....stfu. my head is hurting
Meant to trim your response out. Antares is way behind. My bad.
(smile) Antares is runnng the show, you don't even know what the conversation is about
How Long Has the PPACA/Obamacare Been in Effect?
From: Is Obamacare In Effect? Is Obamacare in effect?
Tamara Holmes Jul 8 2013 10:20 AM
If you’re unsure whether Obamacare is the law of the land, you’re not alone. An April 2013 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 42 percent of Americans don’t know that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – the official name for Obamacare – is already impacting health care for millions of Americans.
What is it with people and the website thingie? What is it with people and the multi-part roll out of Obamacare that is so difficult for them to grasp?
Is it the rightwing noise machine, or Obama's shitty public relations team? Why are people so ignorant and confused?
Dante please, no more of your opinions.
Just go get srces from the Founding Fathers and the Federalist Papers to support your claim.
Facts you dislike now become opinions? Huh?
Dante please, things are not "facts" just because we say they are, I am asking you to source your assertions.
Meant to trim your response out. Antares is way behind. My bad.
(smile) Antares is runnng the show, you don't even know what the conversation is about
It started with the website thingy.
Antares is, though, so completely out of touch with reality in terms of understanding what the nature of the healthcare markets, healthcare insurance system, healthcare costs, and PPACA, that anything of real significance will seem to be not germane to him. The only approach, in this general forum, is to start with the basics, the basics of prices, the basics of micro and macro econ, the basics of PPACA.
(smile) Antares is runnng the show, you don't even know what the conversation is about
It started with the website thingy.
Antares is, though, so completely out of touch with reality in terms of understanding what the nature of the healthcare markets, healthcare insurance system, healthcare costs, and PPACA, that anything of real significance will seem to be not germane to him. The only approach, in this general forum, is to start with the basics, the basics of prices, the basics of micro and macro econ, the basics of PPACA.
LOL.
Antares works in all of those areas 5 1/2 days a week.
NOBODY has been talkining about how the website isn't working for awhile
We are discussing the fact that Cracka Prez lied about being able to keep your plan if you liked it
You don't get to redefine the conversation, sorry.
Facts you dislike now become opinions? Huh?
Dante please, things are not "facts" just because we say they are, I am asking you to source your assertions.
Your ignorance is surpassed only by your delusions of sentiency. Look up how the War of Independence was financed and how the newly created USA paid the debt accrued...by all colonies and the Continental Congress, as well as individuals.
Then look up (again) how taxes collected by the federal government have been disbursed to the states.
How Long Has the PPACA/Obamacare Been in Effect?
From: Is Obamacare In Effect? Is Obamacare in effect?
Tamara Holmes Jul 8 2013 10:20 AM
If you’re unsure whether Obamacare is the law of the land, you’re not alone. An April 2013 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 42 percent of Americans don’t know that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – the official name for Obamacare – is already impacting health care for millions of Americans.
What is it with people and the website thingie? What is it with people and the multi-part roll out of Obamacare that is so difficult for them to grasp?
Is it the rightwing noise machine, or Obama's shitty public relations team? Why are people so ignorant and confused?
Folks are "ignorant" of the official start date of ObumblerCare because it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese. Just the way the inept President and the asshole lolberal Democratics in Congress wanted it.
And it has multiple "start" dates, anyway.
And they rely on morons like you to "explain" it so, clearly, there's no chance of it ever being explained intelligently, intelligibly or honestly.
What is it with people and the website thingie? What is it with people and the multi-part roll out of Obamacare that is so difficult for them to grasp?
Is it the rightwing noise machine, or Obama's shitty public relations team? Why are people so ignorant and confused?
Folks are "ignorant" of the official start date of ObumblerCare because it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese. Just the way the inept President and the asshole lolberal Democratics in Congress wanted it.
And it has multiple "start" dates, anyway.
And they rely on morons like you to "explain" it so, clearly, there's no chance of it ever being explained intelligently, intelligibly or honestly.
" it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese."
That would be a subjective opinion based on your reading skills and comprehension of the law. It is not a "fact".
Of course it has multiple start dates for different provisions. The health care system includes everything from student loans and university curriculums to the corner pharmacy. It would be fundamentally stupid to not have multiple start dates to implement different parts of the law.
What is it with people and the website thingie? What is it with people and the multi-part roll out of Obamacare that is so difficult for them to grasp?
Is it the rightwing noise machine, or Obama's shitty public relations team? Why are people so ignorant and confused?
Folks are "ignorant" of the official start date of ObumblerCare because it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese. Just the way the inept President and the asshole lolberal Democratics in Congress wanted it.
And it has multiple "start" dates, anyway.
And they rely on morons like you to "explain" it so, clearly, there's no chance of it ever being explained intelligently, intelligibly or honestly.
" it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese."
That would be a subjective opinion based on your reading skills and comprehension of the law. It is not a "fact".
Of course it has multiple start dates for different provisions. The health care system includes everything from student loans and university curriculums to the corner pharmacy. It would be fundamentally stupid to not have multiple start dates to implement different parts of the law.
It started with the website thingy.
Antares is, though, so completely out of touch with reality in terms of understanding what the nature of the healthcare markets, healthcare insurance system, healthcare costs, and PPACA, that anything of real significance will seem to be not germane to him. The only approach, in this general forum, is to start with the basics, the basics of prices, the basics of micro and macro econ, the basics of PPACA.
LOL.
Antares works in all of those areas 5 1/2 days a week.
NOBODY has been talkining about how the website isn't working for awhile
We are discussing the fact that Cracka Prez lied about being able to keep your plan if you liked it
You don't get to redefine the conversation, sorry.
^ Yup.
The Premiums have sky rocketed, it isn't funny and it isn't helping MANY of the people it was supposed to help.
Dante and the rest choose ignorance over fact..
How Long Has the PPACA/Obamacare Been in Effect?
From: Is Obamacare In Effect? Is Obamacare in effect?
Tamara Holmes Jul 8 2013 10:20 AM
If you’re unsure whether Obamacare is the law of the land, you’re not alone. An April 2013 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 42 percent of Americans don’t know that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act – the official name for Obamacare – is already impacting health care for millions of Americans.
What is it with people and the website thingie? What is it with people and the multi-part roll out of Obamacare that is so difficult for them to grasp?
Is it the rightwing noise machine, or Obama's shitty public relations team? Why are people so ignorant and confused?
Folks are "ignorant" of the official start date of ObumblerCare because it was drafted in an incomprehensible gibberish jargon laden version of legislative-ese. Just the way the inept President and the asshole lolberal Democratics in Congress wanted it.
And it has multiple "start" dates, anyway.
And they rely on morons like you to "explain" it so, clearly, there's no chance of it ever being explained intelligently, intelligibly or honestly.
