How lack of regulations has helped the Texas Economy. Business is booming.

[skookerasbil]

Yeah.....the coastal elite bozo's absolutely hate Houston which blitzes the New York and California models economic of gheyness with gigantic bumpy cucumbers square in the behind.

Business cant flee fast enough from those high tax freedom hating shithole states!!

Yuk......yuk.......but the election proved that the rest of the country is paying attention to high levels of economic stoopid.

 

[skookerasbil]

Houston bragged about having the most libertarian zoning laws in the world.

And that's helped put Houston is under water. Proper infrastructure for flood control interferes with libertarian profits, as land used for flood control can't be used to build more subdivisions. A third flood control basin near Houston was cancelled because of developer protests, and developers own the politicians through campaign contributions.

Dang s0n........Ive often said you are a mental case but you are also spectacularly stoopid as well. Clearly......if infrastructure for flood control was done properly in Houston, zero homes would have been lost. Who cant see that?!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

So there's no zoning in Texas? Is that your claim, R-Derp? You get stupider by the day!

I don't think it is possible for derpy to get any stupider. He's reached the bottom of the barrel. The plant lost all power due to the flooding. It also lost the backup generators that would have kept the cooling systems going, thus the explosion was inevitable. The plant owners and managers warned everyone in a timely fashion so that the danger was eliminated to just the plant itself.

derpy is so wrapped around his particular axle that no matter what happens naturally it's all because the government wasn't able to regulate it. Had derpy lived under Soviet rule and been sent to the gulag, he would be trying to explain how they could be run better so as to kill more people. He is a statist through and through.

I think you guys all go to the same "dumb" class. What else could it be?

Zoning keeps business away from homes to protect people. Except where Republicans live. They don't care what it does. Not even if it hurts their children. They don't care.

Texas Among Nation's Worst Water Polluters

It’s Different In Texas

As federal investigators sift through the rubble at the West Fertilizer Company plant seeking clues about the April 17 blast that killed at least 14 people and injured roughly 200 others, some here argue that Texas’ culture itself contributed to the calamity.

“The Wild West approach to protecting public health and safety is what you get when you give companies too much economic freedom and not enough responsibility and accountability,” said Thomas O. McGarity, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law and an expert on regulation.

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Three schools were destroyed in the blast. Republicans don't care about their kids. They put chemical plants next to playgrounds.

Ignorant USMB Republicans say it can't be true. But that's why they are ignorant. Cuz they refuse to believe the truth.

Funny, they believe everything Trump says and no one lies as much as him.

Wow. Three schools huh. Got anything other than your imagination to back that up.

You are such a fucked up asshole, Mr. Westwall. Yes, there is plenty to back that up, and you damned well know it. You are an asshole liar, ready to defend the indefensible at the drop of a hat.

West ISD Demolishing Schools Damaged by Plant Explosion

April’s fertilizer plant explosion left three of the four schools in the town of West, Texas destroyed or irreparably damaged, with the intermediate school completely flattened by the blast.

But, when school starts in August, the district says students won't have to be bused to other districts.

Pre-K through fifth grade students will go to the elementary school campus. Most of the high school campus was also destroyed, so sixth through 12th grades will go to the middle school campus that, while damaged, can continue operating.

“We hope that our secondary kids so they can get their school experience rebooted and loaded to what is normal other than having to go to school in temporary facilities," said West ISD Superintendent Marty Crawford.

The district will use portable classrooms to house the extra students on those two campuses.

 

[Old Rocks]

Houston bragged about having the most libertarian zoning laws in the world.

And that's helped put Houston is under water. Proper infrastructure for flood control interferes with libertarian profits, as land used for flood control can't be used to build more subdivisions. A third flood control basin near Houston was cancelled because of developer protests, and developers own the politicians through campaign contributions.

Dang s0n........Ive often said you are a mental case but you are also spectacularly stoopid as well. Clearly......if infrastructure for flood control was done properly in Houston, zero homes would have been lost. Who cant see that?!!!

You are a fucking total idiot. There is no way any known flood control is going to handle 50+ inches of rain in six days.

 

[Old Rocks]

See, in Texas, business feels the public has no right to know. They can build anything anywhere. Even an exploding factory between three schools. It's OK. It's business. They're just chemicals.

How do you think these floods will affect those dangerous types of businesses. Guess we'll find out. After all, a lack of regulations saves money and helps business. Republicans told us so.

Chernobyl was totally regulated, moron.

No it wasn't. That was the problem.

Chernobyl, the accident scenario and its global impact

There was a critical lack of safety culture at Chernobyl, which was amplified by an global lack of understanding and training,

------------------
If there was a lack of training and safety, then there was a lack of regulations.

Know what you are talking about.

Of course it was. It was built by the Russian government, staffed by the Russian government and managed by the Russian government. How could it possibly have been the fault of the unregulated private market?

You silly little asshole, Hanford is the same, and it is a disaster. Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private, neither Chernobyle or Hanford would have happened.

 

[bripat9643]

See, in Texas, business feels the public has no right to know. They can build anything anywhere. Even an exploding factory between three schools. It's OK. It's business. They're just chemicals.

How do you think these floods will affect those dangerous types of businesses. Guess we'll find out. After all, a lack of regulations saves money and helps business. Republicans told us so.

Chernobyl was totally regulated, moron.

No it wasn't. That was the problem.

Chernobyl, the accident scenario and its global impact

There was a critical lack of safety culture at Chernobyl, which was amplified by an global lack of understanding and training,

------------------
If there was a lack of training and safety, then there was a lack of regulations.

Know what you are talking about.

Of course it was. It was built by the Russian government, staffed by the Russian government and managed by the Russian government. How could it possibly have been the fault of the unregulated private market?

You silly little asshole, Hanford is the same, and it is a disaster. Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private, neither Chernobyle or Hanford would have happened.

NO, Hanford is not the same. How many people has Hanford killed? How many millions of square miles did Hanford contaminate?

Also, Hanford is a government run facility! You theory that government run facilities aren't government regulated couldn't be more hilarious. Who's running them, if not the government?

You didn't help your case, cockroach.

 

[Old Rocks]

I think you guys all go to the same "dumb" class. What else could it be?

Zoning keeps business away from homes to protect people. Except where Republicans live. They don't care what it does. Not even if it hurts their children. They don't care.

Texas Among Nation's Worst Water Polluters

It’s Different In Texas

As federal investigators sift through the rubble at the West Fertilizer Company plant seeking clues about the April 17 blast that killed at least 14 people and injured roughly 200 others, some here argue that Texas’ culture itself contributed to the calamity.

“The Wild West approach to protecting public health and safety is what you get when you give companies too much economic freedom and not enough responsibility and accountability,” said Thomas O. McGarity, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law and an expert on regulation.

-------------------------

Three schools were destroyed in the blast. Republicans don't care about their kids. They put chemical plants next to playgrounds.

Ignorant USMB Republicans say it can't be true. But that's why they are ignorant. Cuz they refuse to believe the truth.

Funny, they believe everything Trump says and no one lies as much as him.

Wow. Three schools huh. Got anything other than your imagination to back that up.

Yea, dumba$$. Facts. I am not like your kind. I don't make claims without backing it up. Like birth certificates and child prostitution rings out of pizza parlors.

West ISD Demolishing Schools Damaged by Plant Explosion

April’s fertilizer plant explosion left three of the four schools in the town of West, Texas destroyed or irreparably damaged, with the intermediate school completely flattened by the blast.

April? April of which year prey tell.

prey?

Listen dumba$$, if they didn't have zoning laws a couple of years ago, they don't have them now. Watching this plat explode on TV with the CEO saying they had to evacuate everyone within a mile and a half proves it.

April of which year for the second time. We all know you're full of shit dude, but there are explosions that happen. They are terrible when they happen, but happen they do. But, far less here in the US where there ARE controls. But you would rather send all of those plants overseas to kill brown people because the third world countries DON'T have the slightest bit of controls. So, once again, why do you hate brown people and want to kill them?

What an asshole you are Mr. Westwall.

The Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion Wasn't an Accident | HuffPost

The explosion was so devastating that investigators, almost two months after the incident, are unable to definitively determine the exact cause of the explosion. But it is possible that Adair — who also owns Adair Grain (the parent company of West Fertilizer) and Adair Farms, including about 5,000 acres of cropland and grassland in the area, worth several million dollars — consistently flouted the law and common sense safety measures that put both his employees and the surrounding community at risk.

When 84-year-old Eula Bingham, OSHA chief under President Jimmy Carter, heard the news about the West, Texas, explosion, she thought, “Oh my god a fertilizer plant.” According to Bingham, “fertilizer plants are well known as the most horrible, explosive places in the world.” Adair had ample opportunity to know and follow the law and certainly knew the consequences of failure.

After 9/11 companies like Adair’s were required to inform the government of chemicals that could be used in terrorist attacks. West Fertilizer stored large quantities of anhydrous ammonia and ammonium nitrate, in the middle of a small town. The company failed to tell the Department of Homeland Security that it was storing 270 tons of ammonium nitrate (the same chemical that Tim McVeigh used to bomb the Oklahoma city federal building in 1995, which left 168 people dead) as required by law.

The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration fined the factory in 1985 for mishandling storage of anhydrous ammonia. In 2011, the same agency cited the firm for “not having a security plan” and for improperly planning to transport anhydrous ammonia and issued a fine of $5,250.

That explosion happened because of the attitude of the owners concerning the danger of the chemicals that they were dealing with.

 

[Old Rocks]

See, in Texas, business feels the public has no right to know. They can build anything anywhere. Even an exploding factory between three schools. It's OK. It's business. They're just chemicals.

How do you think these floods will affect those dangerous types of businesses. Guess we'll find out. After all, a lack of regulations saves money and helps business. Republicans told us so.

Chernobyl was totally regulated, moron.

No it wasn't. That was the problem.

Chernobyl, the accident scenario and its global impact

There was a critical lack of safety culture at Chernobyl, which was amplified by an global lack of understanding and training,

------------------
If there was a lack of training and safety, then there was a lack of regulations.

Know what you are talking about.

Of course it was. It was built by the Russian government, staffed by the Russian government and managed by the Russian government. How could it possibly have been the fault of the unregulated private market?

You silly little asshole, Hanford is the same, and it is a disaster. Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private, neither Chernobyle or Hanford would have happened.

NO, Hanford is not the same. How many people has Hanford killed? How many millions of square miles did Hanford contaminate?

Also, Hanford is a government run facility! You theory that government run facilities aren't government regulated couldn't be more hilarious. Who's running them, if not the government?

You didn't help your case, cockroach.

"Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private,"

Failed to read those words, eh, little cocksuck? Yes, Hanford is a government run facility. Where did I suggest otherwise? That does not let them off the hook for the disaster they are creating. Often there are those in the government that think they have an exception from regulations. And I am all for holding them accountable up to and including major time in the pen.

 

[Old Rocks]

Houston bragged about having the most libertarian zoning laws in the world.

And that's helped put Houston is under water. Proper infrastructure for flood control interferes with libertarian profits, as land used for flood control can't be used to build more subdivisions. A third flood control basin near Houston was cancelled because of developer protests, and developers own the politicians through campaign contributions.

No matter what kind of flood control Houston had, it could not have handled 50+" of rain.

 

[bripat9643]

Chernobyl was totally regulated, moron.

No it wasn't. That was the problem.

Chernobyl, the accident scenario and its global impact

There was a critical lack of safety culture at Chernobyl, which was amplified by an global lack of understanding and training,

------------------
If there was a lack of training and safety, then there was a lack of regulations.

Know what you are talking about.

Of course it was. It was built by the Russian government, staffed by the Russian government and managed by the Russian government. How could it possibly have been the fault of the unregulated private market?

You silly little asshole, Hanford is the same, and it is a disaster. Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private, neither Chernobyle or Hanford would have happened.

NO, Hanford is not the same. How many people has Hanford killed? How many millions of square miles did Hanford contaminate?

Also, Hanford is a government run facility! You theory that government run facilities aren't government regulated couldn't be more hilarious. Who's running them, if not the government?

You didn't help your case, cockroach.

"Had there been regulations that all had to follow, whether government or private,"

Failed to read those words, eh, little cocksuck? Yes, Hanford is a government run facility. Where did I suggest otherwise? That does not let them off the hook for the disaster they are creating. Often there are those in the government that think they have an exception from regulations. And I am all for holding them accountable up to and including major time in the pen.

ROLF! What it shows is that government does a worse job than private industry of regulating anything. Whenever there's some kind of industrial disaster, dumb turds like you step up and claim the solution is more government regulations. What you have failed to notice is all your regulations come after the fact. There is no disaster that has been prevented by government regulations prior to the fact. Government regulatory agencies don't do any better than simply holding companies responsible for any harm to life or property they cause. They simply aren't necessary, and they impose huge costs on industry.

 

[mamooth]

Houston bragged about having the most libertarian zoning laws in the world.

And that's helped put Houston is under water. Proper infrastructure for flood control interferes with libertarian profits, as land used for flood control can't be used to build more subdivisions. A third flood control basin near Houston was cancelled because of developer protests, and developers own the politicians through campaign contributions.

Dang s0n........Ive often said you are a mental case but you are also spectacularly stoopid as well. Clearly......if infrastructure for flood control was done properly in Houston, zero homes would have been lost. Who cant see that?!!!

Why do you believe such a a stupid thing? You've said retarded things before, but this might be the most retarded thing you've ever said, your direct claim here that poor flood control infrastructure was the only thing that hurt Houston.

As for me, there's a good reason I said "helped" instead of "caused". Those who can parse basic English will recognize that's me saying it's just one of the factors. Unlike Skook, I think the 4 feet of rain had something to do with it too.

 

[mamooth]

Dude, Houston is under water because they got over fifty inches of rain over several days...NOT because of their "infrastructure" or their lack of zoning laws!

Ya think?

Logic. Deniers have none. If you tell them one thing added to a problem, they'll all start screaming that you said it was the only thing causing a problem. Their little denier peabrains just can't seem to handle the concept of more than one thing being a problem.

 

[westwall]

Wow. Three schools huh. Got anything other than your imagination to back that up.

Yea, dumba$$. Facts. I am not like your kind. I don't make claims without backing it up. Like birth certificates and child prostitution rings out of pizza parlors.

West ISD Demolishing Schools Damaged by Plant Explosion

April’s fertilizer plant explosion left three of the four schools in the town of West, Texas destroyed or irreparably damaged, with the intermediate school completely flattened by the blast.

April? April of which year prey tell.

prey?

Listen dumba$$, if they didn't have zoning laws a couple of years ago, they don't have them now. Watching this plat explode on TV with the CEO saying they had to evacuate everyone within a mile and a half proves it.

April of which year for the second time. We all know you're full of shit dude, but there are explosions that happen. They are terrible when they happen, but happen they do. But, far less here in the US where there ARE controls. But you would rather send all of those plants overseas to kill brown people because the third world countries DON'T have the slightest bit of controls. So, once again, why do you hate brown people and want to kill them?

What an asshole you are Mr. Westwall.

The Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion Wasn't an Accident | HuffPost

The explosion was so devastating that investigators, almost two months after the incident, are unable to definitively determine the exact cause of the explosion. But it is possible that Adair — who also owns Adair Grain (the parent company of West Fertilizer) and Adair Farms, including about 5,000 acres of cropland and grassland in the area, worth several million dollars — consistently flouted the law and common sense safety measures that put both his employees and the surrounding community at risk.

When 84-year-old Eula Bingham, OSHA chief under President Jimmy Carter, heard the news about the West, Texas, explosion, she thought, “Oh my god a fertilizer plant.” According to Bingham, “fertilizer plants are well known as the most horrible, explosive places in the world.” Adair had ample opportunity to know and follow the law and certainly knew the consequences of failure.

After 9/11 companies like Adair’s were required to inform the government of chemicals that could be used in terrorist attacks. West Fertilizer stored large quantities of anhydrous ammonia and ammonium nitrate, in the middle of a small town. The company failed to tell the Department of Homeland Security that it was storing 270 tons of ammonium nitrate (the same chemical that Tim McVeigh used to bomb the Oklahoma city federal building in 1995, which left 168 people dead) as required by law.

The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration fined the factory in 1985 for mishandling storage of anhydrous ammonia. In 2011, the same agency cited the firm for “not having a security plan” and for improperly planning to transport anhydrous ammonia and issued a fine of $5,250.

That explosion happened because of the attitude of the owners concerning the danger of the chemicals that they were dealing with.

Wow. Three schools huh. Got anything other than your imagination to back that up.

Yea, dumba$$. Facts. I am not like your kind. I don't make claims without backing it up. Like birth certificates and child prostitution rings out of pizza parlors.

West ISD Demolishing Schools Damaged by Plant Explosion

April’s fertilizer plant explosion left three of the four schools in the town of West, Texas destroyed or irreparably damaged, with the intermediate school completely flattened by the blast.

April? April of which year prey tell.

prey?

Listen dumba$$, if they didn't have zoning laws a couple of years ago, they don't have them now. Watching this plat explode on TV with the CEO saying they had to evacuate everyone within a mile and a half proves it.

April of which year for the second time. We all know you're full of shit dude, but there are explosions that happen. They are terrible when they happen, but happen they do. But, far less here in the US where there ARE controls. But you would rather send all of those plants overseas to kill brown people because the third world countries DON'T have the slightest bit of controls. So, once again, why do you hate brown people and want to kill them?

What an asshole you are Mr. Westwall.

The Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion Wasn't an Accident | HuffPost

The explosion was so devastating that investigators, almost two months after the incident, are unable to definitively determine the exact cause of the explosion. But it is possible that Adair — who also owns Adair Grain (the parent company of West Fertilizer) and Adair Farms, including about 5,000 acres of cropland and grassland in the area, worth several million dollars — consistently flouted the law and common sense safety measures that put both his employees and the surrounding community at risk.

When 84-year-old Eula Bingham, OSHA chief under President Jimmy Carter, heard the news about the West, Texas, explosion, she thought, “Oh my god a fertilizer plant.” According to Bingham, “fertilizer plants are well known as the most horrible, explosive places in the world.” Adair had ample opportunity to know and follow the law and certainly knew the consequences of failure.

After 9/11 companies like Adair’s were required to inform the government of chemicals that could be used in terrorist attacks. West Fertilizer stored large quantities of anhydrous ammonia and ammonium nitrate, in the middle of a small town. The company failed to tell the Department of Homeland Security that it was storing 270 tons of ammonium nitrate (the same chemical that Tim McVeigh used to bomb the Oklahoma city federal building in 1995, which left 168 people dead) as required by law.

The U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration fined the factory in 1985 for mishandling storage of anhydrous ammonia. In 2011, the same agency cited the firm for “not having a security plan” and for improperly planning to transport anhydrous ammonia and issued a fine of $5,250.

That explosion happened because of the attitude of the owners concerning the danger of the chemicals that they were dealing with.

Asshole? Really? derpy, your pal, was implying that it was this most recent explosion that caused all the damage. i know which one it was, unlike derpy I pay attention to the world.

You should too.

 

[Oldstyle]

Dude, Houston is under water because they got over fifty inches of rain over several days...NOT because of their "infrastructure" or their lack of zoning laws!

Ya think?

Logic. Deniers have none. If you tell them one thing added to a problem, they'll all start screaming that you said it was the only thing causing a problem. Their little denier peabrains just can't seem to handle the concept of more than one thing being a problem.

I'm a "Denier" because I pointed out that Houston just had a 500 Year Storm? That's your example of logic? Pretty weak, Mamooth...just sayin'!

 

[deanrd]

What's funni are the Republicans right here on the USMB saying it's stupid to think that Houston doesn't have zoning laws and that people don't live next to dangerous chemical plants.

Then when find out they do and USMB Republicans insist it's not true and it's a lie.

See? Even they know it's wrong. They just don't want to believe Republicans could let that happen.

Then they try to blame the Democratic Mayor for what happened before.

It's like Republicans blaming Obama for what happened after Katrina. Obama didn't become president until years after Katrina. But that stop them? Guess not.

 

[rightwinger]

So there's no zoning in Texas? Is that your claim, R-Derp? You get stupider by the day!

Pretty much the reason Houston floods so often

Poor city planning, minimal zoning and building regulations

But, what the hell
Come to Texas, it is much cheaper

 

[Oldstyle]

So there's no zoning in Texas? Is that your claim, R-Derp? You get stupider by the day!

Pretty much the reason Houston floods so often

Poor city planning, minimal zoning and building regulations

But, what the hell
Come to Texas, it is much cheaper

So I suppose it was a better situation in New Orleans...that had city planning, zoning and building regulations?

 

[Oldstyle]

Blaming the damage from a 500 year storm on a lack of zoning laws borders on absurd, Winger! I'm very sure that if Texas was a Democratic stronghold you would NEVER be making this argument! But because it's TEXAS...you are.

 

[Oldstyle]

I suppose stringent zoning laws and building regulations kept New York City from being flooded during Hurricane Sandy? What would have happened if Sandy had dropped 50 inches of rain in a couple of days instead of the much smaller amounts that it did? You think New York would have fared any better than Houston has?

 

[Oldstyle]

What's funni are the Republicans right here on the USMB saying it's stupid to think that Houston doesn't have zoning laws and that people don't live next to dangerous chemical plants.

Then when find out they do and USMB Republicans insist it's not true and it's a lie.

See? Even they know it's wrong. They just don't want to believe Republicans could let that happen.

Then they try to blame the Democratic Mayor for what happened before.

It's like Republicans blaming Obama for what happened after Katrina. Obama didn't become president until years after Katrina. But that stop them? Guess not.

Are you smoking crack today? Who blamed Katrina on Obama? God, you're an idiot!!!