How does government help the economy?

[Pete7469]

Our laws that regulate interaction between businesses and customers to provide a fair and even playing field have more influence on our economy than most other things. Of course the right is fighting diligently to remove lots of those protections for the working people.

That's what courts are for.

Who the fuck are you to say what's fair, or what is an even playing field?

Government can not make one size fits all solutions to every problem that comes up between consumers and providers. That's why government fails to protect anyone adequately, except you bed wetters only pretend to give a fuck about individuals. The sociopaths you support protect the businesses from getting their pants sued off.

When the banks fucked over millions of people with Adjustable Interest Mortgages, did government help anyone except the banks? Did anyone go to prison like they should have? No, because democrook sociopaths created the problem in the first place. They donate to sociopath political whores and you expect us to believe that's a better result?

Furthermore, what the hell good does it do to have a library full of laws and regulations if they're selectively enforced if they're enforced at all?

I realize you're weapons grade stupid, and absolutely incapable of doing any thinking on your own, so this response is actually for someone else who has a functioning frontal lobe. I'll likely ignore any retort you parrot unless it shows up in a sentient person's reply later on.


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[Pete7469]

I'm mot sure how much of an economy we would have without roads, and fuel for our vehicles (oil companies received massive government funded startup grants) and medical care for workers( most medical research is government funded) etc. etc.

Again, that is not government managing the economy.

No one has ever argued government does NOTHING. It's government subsidizing certain companies, and bankrupting others through regulations that are designed to favor one senator's donors over another that wrote a check to the guy he beat.

As a libertarian you will never hear me demand government pay a company to do something it can profit from by doing on it's own. Building public infrastructure obviously has to be publicly funded. When certain donors are awarded contracts that end up doubling in costs amidst construction I call that corruption. Unless it's the fault of bed wetters who get courts involved because someone found a beetle that is a slightly different color that the rest of the beetles in the area.

No infrastructure, no economy. You don't get that?

I'd rather see Private Enterprise do it.

Greg

That's why I ignore bed wetters. the insufferable idiocy can cause headaches to lucid people.

I addressed the fact that public infrastructure needs to be publicly funded. Yet the vacuous retort is:

No infrastructure, no economy.

Then they complain about people not wanting a serious discussion. You can find more intellectual curiosity in a goldfish bowl that in the incredible density of pure ignorance that exists between a moonbat's ears.


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[Norman]

Government can take from some people and give it to others,when they would otherwise would not like to do so.

 

[BULLDOG]

Our laws that regulate interaction between businesses and customers to provide a fair and even playing field have more influence on our economy than most other things. Of course the right is fighting diligently to remove lots of those protections for the working people.

That's what courts are for.

Who the fuck are you to say what's fair, or what is an even playing field?

Government can not make one size fits all solutions to every problem that comes up between consumers and providers. That's why government fails to protect anyone adequately, except you bed wetters only pretend to give a fuck about individuals. The sociopaths you support protect the businesses from getting their pants sued off.

When the banks fucked over millions of people with Adjustable Interest Mortgages, did government help anyone except the banks? Did anyone go to prison like they should have? No, because democrook sociopaths created the problem in the first place. They donate to sociopath political whores and you expect us to believe that's a better result?

Furthermore, what the hell good does it do to have a library full of laws and regulations if they're selectively enforced if they're enforced at all?

I realize you're weapons grade stupid, and absolutely incapable of doing any thinking on your own, so this response is actually for someone else who has a functioning frontal lobe. I'll likely ignore any retort you parrot unless it shows up in a sentient person's reply later on.


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What the fuck do you think our courts are if not part of the government?

 

[gtopa1]

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Even when the government subsidizes a particular industry, they are not bringing new money into the economy, they are simply taking it from somewhere else.

You can get a good perspective on that from Trump's recent "made in america" event.
21 of the 50 companies attending that event had received some sort of government grant, subsidy, loan guarantee, or other economic incentive since 1997.
Perhaps the best is example is Caterpillar receiving $155 million in taxpayer assistance, to what benefit?

So you agree that Govs are an economic burden!!

Greg

It varies. In some cases yes, others no.
Usually there is some form of crony capitalism.

Typically where government subsidies are most helpful in cases where the free market isnt acting in a way which is beneficial to society as a whole. For example, if we hadnt bailed out General Motors, there would have been a ripple effect down to their suppliers, and would ruin the entire auto industry as a result. Another good example is helping renewable energy, to keep are country globally competitive.

The company that WAS GM is very different to the one that is in positon today. I'm really not convinced that it should have been bailed out. my rule of thumb: if it NEEDS Gov subsidies, it's NOT where you want to be. That includes renewables; hydro is a proven renewable; I would rather see subsidies go to research so that the end product is competitive once it gets to market. Other than that (and I think the Private Sector would do that better anyway) I'd put the $ towards decreasing the deficit.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Our laws that regulate interaction between businesses and customers to provide a fair and even playing field have more influence on our economy than most other things. Of course the right is fighting diligently to remove lots of those protections for the working people.

That's what courts are for.

Who the fuck are you to say what's fair, or what is an even playing field?

Government can not make one size fits all solutions to every problem that comes up between consumers and providers. That's why government fails to protect anyone adequately, except you bed wetters only pretend to give a fuck about individuals. The sociopaths you support protect the businesses from getting their pants sued off.

When the banks fucked over millions of people with Adjustable Interest Mortgages, did government help anyone except the banks? Did anyone go to prison like they should have? No, because democrook sociopaths created the problem in the first place. They donate to sociopath political whores and you expect us to believe that's a better result?

Furthermore, what the hell good does it do to have a library full of laws and regulations if they're selectively enforced if they're enforced at all?

I realize you're weapons grade stupid, and absolutely incapable of doing any thinking on your own, so this response is actually for someone else who has a functioning frontal lobe. I'll likely ignore any retort you parrot unless it shows up in a sentient person's reply later on.


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What the fuck do you think our courts are if not part of the government?

Didn't DemoKKKrats bypass The Law and go straight to lynching? Yes; I do believe you did. oh: and let the protesters vent their anger....on businesses!!! Law isn't a Dem strong point!!

Greg

 

[BULLDOG]

Our laws that regulate interaction between businesses and customers to provide a fair and even playing field have more influence on our economy than most other things. Of course the right is fighting diligently to remove lots of those protections for the working people.

That's what courts are for.

Who the fuck are you to say what's fair, or what is an even playing field?

Government can not make one size fits all solutions to every problem that comes up between consumers and providers. That's why government fails to protect anyone adequately, except you bed wetters only pretend to give a fuck about individuals. The sociopaths you support protect the businesses from getting their pants sued off.

When the banks fucked over millions of people with Adjustable Interest Mortgages, did government help anyone except the banks? Did anyone go to prison like they should have? No, because democrook sociopaths created the problem in the first place. They donate to sociopath political whores and you expect us to believe that's a better result?

Furthermore, what the hell good does it do to have a library full of laws and regulations if they're selectively enforced if they're enforced at all?

I realize you're weapons grade stupid, and absolutely incapable of doing any thinking on your own, so this response is actually for someone else who has a functioning frontal lobe. I'll likely ignore any retort you parrot unless it shows up in a sentient person's reply later on.


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What the fuck do you think our courts are if not part of the government?

Didn't DemoKKKrats bypass The Law and go straight to lynching? Yes; I do believe you did. oh: and let the protesters vent their anger....on businesses!!! Law isn't a Dem strong point!!

Greg

You really think mentioning something from a century ago is relivent, don't you?

 

[Lakhota]

During political campaigns, a huge focus is the economy. But how does government help the economy?

All economy, no matter how complex, breaks down to simply trades between individuals. Employees trade their labor for pay, consumers trade their pay for products and services, etc. What can government do to assist in this process?

The only thing it can ever do is exert force on someone. This is its only power. Typically this comes in the form of interfering with the voluntary exchange between individuals. The mandatory minimum wage, for example, says that two people willing to make an exchange of labor for pay is not permitted if it does not meet the minimum standard. Many people see this as an increase in pay for low-level employees, but in reality, if I can only afford to pay you 8 dollars an hour, and the government uses coercion to make me pay you 10, I'm just not going to hire you. You were perfectly willing, even happy, to get 8, and I was willing to pay it because I could use the help, but by their interference you get 0 dollars, and I get no help. How could it ever be beneficial to step between consenting adults who are both willing to engage in a particular transaction?

Even when the government subsidizes a particular industry, they are not bringing new money into the economy, they are simply taking it from somewhere else. Government produces nothing, so its action can never cause a net gain. All it can do is take money from some people and give it to others. And it behooves them to do this in a way that creates a greater number of voters to look upon them favorably, not necessarily in a way that would help the economy overall. Like all governmental action outside the scope of basic protection of human rights, it's a matter of hurting one person to help someone else. And their solution to all problems always benefits them more than anyone else, either by generating greater revenue, gaining greater control, or assuring the maintenance of their own position.

Despite all the rhetoric, I don't see how government can ever do anything to help the economy except by simply getting out of the way.

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[Lakhota]

Good government is good. We should all want good government.

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[Norman]

During political campaigns, a huge focus is the economy. But how does government help the economy?

All economy, no matter how complex, breaks down to simply trades between individuals. Employees trade their labor for pay, consumers trade their pay for products and services, etc. What can government do to assist in this process?

The only thing it can ever do is exert force on someone. This is its only power. Typically this comes in the form of interfering with the voluntary exchange between individuals. The mandatory minimum wage, for example, says that two people willing to make an exchange of labor for pay is not permitted if it does not meet the minimum standard. Many people see this as an increase in pay for low-level employees, but in reality, if I can only afford to pay you 8 dollars an hour, and the government uses coercion to make me pay you 10, I'm just not going to hire you. You were perfectly willing, even happy, to get 8, and I was willing to pay it because I could use the help, but by their interference you get 0 dollars, and I get no help. How could it ever be beneficial to step between consenting adults who are both willing to engage in a particular transaction?

Even when the government subsidizes a particular industry, they are not bringing new money into the economy, they are simply taking it from somewhere else. Government produces nothing, so its action can never cause a net gain. All it can do is take money from some people and give it to others. And it behooves them to do this in a way that creates a greater number of voters to look upon them favorably, not necessarily in a way that would help the economy overall. Like all governmental action outside the scope of basic protection of human rights, it's a matter of hurting one person to help someone else. And their solution to all problems always benefits them more than anyone else, either by generating greater revenue, gaining greater control, or assuring the maintenance of their own position.

Despite all the rhetoric, I don't see how government can ever do anything to help the economy except by simply getting out of the way.

Government's Role In The Economy

While consumers and producers obviously make most decisions that mold the economy, government activities have at least four powerful effects on the U.S. economy:

Direct Services

Regulation and Control

Stabilization and Growth

Direct assistance​

DETAILS: Government's Role In The Economy

Government plays a major role in the economy. Major. Also, government socialism plays a major role in the economy. Try to imagine life without it.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

75 ways socialism has improved America... or so you say.

Yet the only thing I see in the message are the 150 ways on how to spot a shill.

 

[eagle1462010]

How do they help the economy.............hmmmmm

Well it's selective............if you scratch their backs they will reward you...........

They pick the winners and losers now...............So those in bed with them can have a better economy.......

Want that road...............better have a kick back...........lol

 

[Brian Blackwell]

I'm mot sure how much of an economy we would have without roads, and fuel for our vehicles (oil companies received massive government funded startup grants) and medical care for workers( most medical research is government funded) etc. etc.

I take some exception to this. Just because "government builds roads" (which is not an accurate way of saying it, but we both know what we're talking about) doesn't mean nobody would build them in the absence of government. Roads are essential, and demand would be sufficient to support voluntary funding. As for fuel, I tend to believe that if not for governmental cronyism we'd probably be driving cars fueled by wishes by now. I mean, the holdback of technological advance in this area is well documented. Medical research has high demand, and again, I think it would thrive in a free market.

This is all speculative because we could never jump into a parallel universe to see what might have been. But people were getting along fine on horseback, and if the cost of eliminating an immense institution of immoral violence (with a body count in the hundreds of millions on its record) was to remain with horses and snail mail for a few hundred years, I think it would have been worth it.

 

[MaryL]

How does Government work? I wonder what government IS when I see the local and state government kowtow to PACS, lobbies, Contractors pushing things the majority doesn't either need or want? Things like say, moving airports, light rail or giving sanctuary to illegal aliens (this last example given the high homeless and jobless rate). So who IS "WE, the PEOPLE" anyway?

 

[eagle1462010]

Farm Program Pays $1.3 Billion to People Who Don't Farm

1.3 Billion NOT TO FARM....................There you go..........Gov't saving us all..............

 

[Brian Blackwell]

During political campaigns, a huge focus is the economy. But how does government help the economy?

All economy, no matter how complex, breaks down to simply trades between individuals. Employees trade their labor for pay, consumers trade their pay for products and services, etc. What can government do to assist in this process?

The only thing it can ever do is exert force on someone. This is its only power. Typically this comes in the form of interfering with the voluntary exchange between individuals. The mandatory minimum wage, for example, says that two people willing to make an exchange of labor for pay is not permitted if it does not meet the minimum standard. Many people see this as an increase in pay for low-level employees, but in reality, if I can only afford to pay you 8 dollars an hour, and the government uses coercion to make me pay you 10, I'm just not going to hire you. You were perfectly willing, even happy, to get 8, and I was willing to pay it because I could use the help, but by their interference you get 0 dollars, and I get no help. How could it ever be beneficial to step between consenting adults who are both willing to engage in a particular transaction?

Even when the government subsidizes a particular industry, they are not bringing new money into the economy, they are simply taking it from somewhere else. Government produces nothing, so its action can never cause a net gain. All it can do is take money from some people and give it to others. And it behooves them to do this in a way that creates a greater number of voters to look upon them favorably, not necessarily in a way that would help the economy overall. Like all governmental action outside the scope of basic protection of human rights, it's a matter of hurting one person to help someone else. And their solution to all problems always benefits them more than anyone else, either by generating greater revenue, gaining greater control, or assuring the maintenance of their own position.

Despite all the rhetoric, I don't see how government can ever do anything to help the economy except by simply getting out of the way.

Government is critical to the economy for several reasons:

• like a ref is required in football, the gov't's job is to ensure all the players play by the same rules.
• a secure and predictable money supply allows a basis for transactions
• keynesians believe the gov't should run inflate the money supply during recessions and shrink it during boom times
• using tariffs, the gov't can protect selected sectors
• using taxes, the gov't can encourage or discourage certain behaviors like investments in research

I'm no economist, but I'm not so sure about all this. All players don't play by the same rules when there is an immense game-changer called "law" which can be bought out by the immense wealth and influence of certain players. I think government skews the playing field dramatically to one side.

That secure, predictable, money supply is entirely co-opted by private bankers. See the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.

Tariffs, again, potentially skew the playing field and free-market valuations.

Taxes and tariffs are the same, and have the same problems.

I guess it's just the fundamental problem of power - it can, and pretty much always does, fall into the wrong hands.

 

[MaryL]

Politics, politicians. I used to think that they represented the majority of the people, like Mr.Smith goes to Washington 40's stuff. How naïve I was. We HAVE to put an end lobbyist as they seem to be corrupting the process. When we have people that contribute to a certain politicians election campaigns, and that's
focus, instead of the well being of the overall constituency?

 

[evenflow1969]

During political campaigns, a huge focus is the economy. But how does government help the economy?

All economy, no matter how complex, breaks down to simply trades between individuals. Employees trade their labor for pay, consumers trade their pay for products and services, etc. What can government do to assist in this process?

The only thing it can ever do is exert force on someone. This is its only power. Typically this comes in the form of interfering with the voluntary exchange between individuals. The mandatory minimum wage, for example, says that two people willing to make an exchange of labor for pay is not permitted if it does not meet the minimum standard. Many people see this as an increase in pay for low-level employees, but in reality, if I can only afford to pay you 8 dollars an hour, and the government uses coercion to make me pay you 10, I'm just not going to hire you. You were perfectly willing, even happy, to get 8, and I was willing to pay it because I could use the help, but by their interference you get 0 dollars, and I get no help. How could it ever be beneficial to step between consenting adults who are both willing to engage in a particular transaction?

Even when the government subsidizes a particular industry, they are not bringing new money into the economy, they are simply taking it from somewhere else. Government produces nothing, so its action can never cause a net gain. All it can do is take money from some people and give it to others. And it behooves them to do this in a way that creates a greater number of voters to look upon them favorably, not necessarily in a way that would help the economy overall. Like all governmental action outside the scope of basic protection of human rights, it's a matter of hurting one person to help someone else. And their solution to all problems always benefits them more than anyone else, either by generating greater revenue, gaining greater control, or assuring the maintenance of their own position.

Despite all the rhetoric, I don't see how government can ever do anything to help the economy except by simply getting out of the way.

Go down and set up shop in Etheopia and tell me how much money you make! I bet it is not much. The conditions for buisness there are horrific becuase there is no government jus the wild wild west!

 

[Lakhota]

Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing

Donald Trump is hacking away at working-class benefits. We’re in a period of extreme deregulation, deep tax cuts for business and the rich, extreme protectionism, and rising debt, even as the Federal Reserve increases interest rates. Together, these developments leave the working class with lower wages and benefits, higher prices, and reduced government services.

The actions of Trump’s administration are just the latest in a trend that goes back decades: the destruction of policies aimed at improving the lives of workers ― the very people who produce the profits upon which capitalism depends. The relationship between capitalism and the working class has always been defined by tensions, troubles, and instabilities. But these have now risen to such a level that the whole system is in danger of self-destructing.

After the Wall Street crash of 1929 plunged the world into crisis, capitalism survived precisely by making substantial accommodations to the working class. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt created The New Deal as an antidote to the catastrophic rise of unemployment and poverty. Taxes on, and loans from, corporations and the rich enabled the state to initiate unprecedented public services ― establishing Social Security and unemployment compensation ― and large numbers of public jobs. The nation’s first minimum-wage law raised incomes for vast masses of people.

A capitalism shaken deeply by the Great Depression took these steps under heavy pressure from the Congress of Industrial Organization, a federation that militantly organized industrial labor unions, and was allied with socialists and communist parties. That large and powerful alliance forced a “trickle-up” policy on the FDR government ― direct help for the working class whose enhanced purchases trickled up as greater revenues and profits for capitalists. A relatively well-paid, secure, and largely white working class emerged.

More: Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing | HuffPost

More examples of how government can help, and hurt, the economy.

 

[eagle1462010]

Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing

Donald Trump is hacking away at working-class benefits. We’re in a period of extreme deregulation, deep tax cuts for business and the rich, extreme protectionism, and rising debt, even as the Federal Reserve increases interest rates. Together, these developments leave the working class with lower wages and benefits, higher prices, and reduced government services.

The actions of Trump’s administration are just the latest in a trend that goes back decades: the destruction of policies aimed at improving the lives of workers ― the very people who produce the profits upon which capitalism depends. The relationship between capitalism and the working class has always been defined by tensions, troubles, and instabilities. But these have now risen to such a level that the whole system is in danger of self-destructing.

After the Wall Street crash of 1929 plunged the world into crisis, capitalism survived precisely by making substantial accommodations to the working class. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt created The New Deal as an antidote to the catastrophic rise of unemployment and poverty. Taxes on, and loans from, corporations and the rich enabled the state to initiate unprecedented public services ― establishing Social Security and unemployment compensation ― and large numbers of public jobs. The nation’s first minimum-wage law raised incomes for vast masses of people.

A capitalism shaken deeply by the Great Depression took these steps under heavy pressure from the Congress of Industrial Organization, a federation that militantly organized industrial labor unions, and was allied with socialists and communist parties. That large and powerful alliance forced a “trickle-up” policy on the FDR government ― direct help for the working class whose enhanced purchases trickled up as greater revenues and profits for capitalists. A relatively well-paid, secure, and largely white working class emerged.

More: Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing | HuffPost

More examples of how government can help, and hurt, the economy.

Hate Capitalism post.............LOL

I'm SHOCKED .............

 

[Lakhota]

Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing

Donald Trump is hacking away at working-class benefits. We’re in a period of extreme deregulation, deep tax cuts for business and the rich, extreme protectionism, and rising debt, even as the Federal Reserve increases interest rates. Together, these developments leave the working class with lower wages and benefits, higher prices, and reduced government services.

The actions of Trump’s administration are just the latest in a trend that goes back decades: the destruction of policies aimed at improving the lives of workers ― the very people who produce the profits upon which capitalism depends. The relationship between capitalism and the working class has always been defined by tensions, troubles, and instabilities. But these have now risen to such a level that the whole system is in danger of self-destructing.

After the Wall Street crash of 1929 plunged the world into crisis, capitalism survived precisely by making substantial accommodations to the working class. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt created The New Deal as an antidote to the catastrophic rise of unemployment and poverty. Taxes on, and loans from, corporations and the rich enabled the state to initiate unprecedented public services ― establishing Social Security and unemployment compensation ― and large numbers of public jobs. The nation’s first minimum-wage law raised incomes for vast masses of people.

A capitalism shaken deeply by the Great Depression took these steps under heavy pressure from the Congress of Industrial Organization, a federation that militantly organized industrial labor unions, and was allied with socialists and communist parties. That large and powerful alliance forced a “trickle-up” policy on the FDR government ― direct help for the working class whose enhanced purchases trickled up as greater revenues and profits for capitalists. A relatively well-paid, secure, and largely white working class emerged.

More: Capitalism’s Betrayal Of The Working Class Could Be Its Undoing | HuffPost

More examples of how government can help, and hurt, the economy.

Hate Capitalism post.............LOL

I'm SHOCKED .............

Well, you may be SHOCKED - but you're also STUPID. What is your level of education?