How can liberals believe that...

[rightwinger]

I would like to welcome the Original Poster---though a Liberal---for he is trying to address issues in a mature manner.

This simply does not occur with Liberals on this board. Its like everyone of them were educated in schools controlled by Teachers Unions in rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for more than 4 decades.

Take for example the turd "Rightwinger"----who seems to have about half the posts in this thread alone---all inane, just like those few of his other 160,000 previous posts which I have read.

When a poster has over 100,000 posts, a presumption arises that he is living in his mother's basement, drawing a welfare check, watching porn and masturbating---and of course posting nonsense---as Rightwinger does constantly. I will read what this new Liberal has to say---and send Rightwinger of to "Ignore" as I should have done long ago.

Snowflake

Refute any post on this thread

Just adding.
Snowflake? The original pro
SlAvery boys?.
Snowflake posters have zero idea of this

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Goebells would work for Trump today

 

[well named]

I would like to welcome the Original Poster---though a Liberal---for he is trying to address issues in a mature manner.

This simply does not occur with Liberals on this board.

It seems pretty strange to me to limit this criticism to liberal posters...

 

[buckeye45_73]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Well most people report the crime soon after the fact, most people have some sort of physical evidence, most people also have witnesses, she had her story......sorry that's not good enough....even the people she said were there said they weren't

and most people know the date or year or place or something about the crime other than a name...….

 

[buckeye45_73]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Well most people report the crime soon after the fact, most people have some sort of physical evidence, most people also have witnesses, she had her story......sorry that's not good enough....even the people she said were there said they weren't

and most people know the date or year or place or something about the crime other than a name...….

Yup, she did not know WHERE it happened, she did not know WHEN it happened, she did not know how she got there or home. NOT a SINGLE person she said was there "recalls" the supposed get together, BUT damn she sure is believable, right?

 

[rightwinger]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Well most people report the crime soon after the fact, most people have some sort of physical evidence, most people also have witnesses, she had her story......sorry that's not good enough....even the people she said were there said they weren't

and most people know the date or year or place or something about the crime other than a name...….

Recent history of sexual assault shows differently

In the Bill Cosby case, women repressed it for decades
Same as for those molested by priests

 

[rightwinger]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Gay? No. Being a Lefitst? Yes.

 

[candycorn]

Sorry, but I don't trust Vox, and I don't trust anything they claim to "collect" from other sources, and I don't trust any source they would trust.

I think this is also a pretty good example of what I meant by "disconnect" and a lack of shared common ground. It's obviously much harder to have a productive conversation with someone if you can't find any common ground on how one should go about finding out what is true about the world.

But let me try a different tack. Probably the most important empirical claim in my argument against guns is that there is a strong association between the availability of guns and rates of gun-related violence and death. If you accept that this association exists, but disagree with the conclusions I reach for other reasons, then the dispute about Vox is moot anyway. Or, if you do not accept that this association exists, could you describe what kinds of data, or what methods, you would accept as a reliable means of establishing whether that claim is true or false? If you already believe that the claim is false, can you describe what evidence leads you to that conclusion?

I do not, in fact, have to be any more specific than "I don't accept links to people known for lying to advance their agenda"

To be clear, I just mean that it's difficult for me to take your objection seriously as long as it remains so vague. You're not giving me any actual reason to change my opinion about the reliability of the data I cited. I do not mean that you are obligated to try to persuade me.

And you're continuing to validate my perception. Was that your intention?

My intention in creating this thread was to discuss politics with people who disagree with me so strongly as to believe that I must either be lying or delusional, because I find it interesting for a variety reasons, one of which is that it's useful to challenge myself to try to explain my views coherently to skeptical audiences, in order to find weaknesses in those views. So I'm not particularly surprised by the fact that you perceive me to either be lying or delusional.

You statement is either disingenuously self-serving or incredibly naive about political machinations. Which is it?

I covered the objection from naivety in the sentences following the one you quoted, fwiw.

After the Santa Fe (TX) school shooting, I showed a conservative here a report in USA Today and Time magazine that said there were armed guards on the campus. Of course he accused them of "lying"

Hogg WILD!

As you just saw from above, the encounter is not out of the ordinary when you confront a conservative.

 

[Duckalert]

How can liberals believe that...not having any proof yet someone should still be punished?

Eyewitness testimony is proof. Many people are in prison based on eyewitness restimony

Where's all the eyewitnesses in the judges case?

Paid by coalation to shut the fuck up.

 

[Theowl32]

I talked to this woman (the most typical left wing white woman you will ever meet) with her lock up Kavanaugh sign. I asked her simply what proof was there. She looked at me and yelled, "She testified you idiot.!"

After I turned my ass towards her and farted on her, I walked away thinking of these parasites. To them uncorroborated, inconsistent testimony is the same thing as absolute proof.

Nothing else matters. As they wear their clinton t shirts.

Other than what I did, what else is there to do? Reason with the unreasonable?

 

[SweetSue92]

You don't have to respond to this, because as I see it liberals/Leftists have no response.

You cannot be "the party of science" and continue to see human development in the womb as anything less than a unique human life from the moment of conception. The days of claiming "whatever is in there" was a "clump of cells" is long over and gone. Sure, technically, we are ALL a "clump of cells". But from the moment sperm meets egg, that "clump of cells" has unique human DNA that is not mother, not father, but its own human being.

When it implants and begins to grow, aborting the human is murder.

It is true that the human at this stage of development must grow inside the womb of a mother. The Left uses this fact as reason to say the mother has the right to off her growing baby anytime she pleases, even right up to the 9th month. If people knew what was entailed in offing your baby late in pregnancy they would be driven to vomit. That is not an overstatement. Even a 12 week abortion is violent and involves the ripping of limbs from torsos.

Yet the Left is so wedded to this monstrous procedure that it's really what drove the Kavanaugh madness. To the Left abortion is not a tragic necessity in dire circumstances. It's a "woman's right". Some call it a sacrament. I can't disagree.

It's a moral sickness on the Left, something they have come to embrace that's rotten and corrosive and evil to the core.

So that's it, really. There's no response to this that I can see--it is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

Dr Ford provided eyewitness testimony to a sexual assault and identified Brett Kavanaugh as the perpetrator
Most sexual assaults don’t take place in front of an audience.

Many people have gone to prison based on testimony of the victim

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Gay? No. Being a Lefitst? Yes.

We founded this country

 

[rightwinger]

You don't have to respond to this, because as I see it liberals/Leftists have no response.

You cannot be "the party of science" and continue to see human development in the womb as anything less than a unique human life from the moment of conception. The days of claiming "whatever is in there" was a "clump of cells" is long over and gone. Sure, technically, we are ALL a "clump of cells". But from the moment sperm meets egg, that "clump of cells" has unique human DNA that is not mother, not father, but its own human being.

When it implants and begins to grow, aborting the human is murder.

It is true that the human at this stage of development must grow inside the womb of a mother. The Left uses this fact as reason to say the mother has the right to off her growing baby anytime she pleases, even right up to the 9th month. If people knew what was entailed in offing your baby late in pregnancy they would be driven to vomit. That is not an overstatement. Even a 12 week abortion is violent and involves the ripping of limbs from torsos.

Yet the Left is so wedded to this monstrous procedure that it's really what drove the Kavanaugh madness. To the Left abortion is not a tragic necessity in dire circumstances. It's a "woman's right". Some call it a sacrament. I can't disagree.

It's a moral sickness on the Left, something they have come to embrace that's rotten and corrosive and evil to the core.

So that's it, really. There's no response to this that I can see--it is what it is.

When conservatives start supporting programs that give women alternatives to abortion......I will give them some credibility

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Gay? No. Being a Lefitst? Yes.

We founded this country

Liberals found it.
NOT Leftists.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Are you kidding or trolling with that statement?

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Gay? No. Being a Lefitst? Yes.

We founded this country

Gays founded he U.S.?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Prove me wrong

Prove you're not gay

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Gay? No. Being a Lefitst? Yes.

We founded this country

Gays founded he U.S.?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha well played.

 

[OldLady]

I talked to this woman (the most typical left wing white woman you will ever meet) with her lock up Kavanaugh sign. I asked her simply what proof was there. She looked at me and yelled, "She testified you idiot.!"

After I turned my ass towards her and farted on her, I walked away thinking of these parasites. To them uncorroborated, inconsistent testimony is the same thing as absolute proof.

Nothing else matters. As they wear their clinton t shirts.

Other than what I did, what else is there to do? Reason with the unreasonable?

You can fart on demand? Impressive.

 

[Norman]

You don't have to respond to this, because as I see it liberals/Leftists have no response.

You cannot be "the party of science" and continue to see human development in the womb as anything less than a unique human life from the moment of conception. The days of claiming "whatever is in there" was a "clump of cells" is long over and gone. Sure, technically, we are ALL a "clump of cells". But from the moment sperm meets egg, that "clump of cells" has unique human DNA that is not mother, not father, but its own human being.

When it implants and begins to grow, aborting the human is murder.

It is true that the human at this stage of development must grow inside the womb of a mother. The Left uses this fact as reason to say the mother has the right to off her growing baby anytime she pleases, even right up to the 9th month. If people knew what was entailed in offing your baby late in pregnancy they would be driven to vomit. That is not an overstatement. Even a 12 week abortion is violent and involves the ripping of limbs from torsos.

Yet the Left is so wedded to this monstrous procedure that it's really what drove the Kavanaugh madness. To the Left abortion is not a tragic necessity in dire circumstances. It's a "woman's right". Some call it a sacrament. I can't disagree.

It's a moral sickness on the Left, something they have come to embrace that's rotten and corrosive and evil to the core.

So that's it, really. There's no response to this that I can see--it is what it is.

When conservatives start supporting programs that give women alternatives to abortion......I will give them some credibility

Crossing your legs... won't cost a thing to the tax payer and makes you better marriage material. How about that?

 

[jwoodie]

I do not consider the Ford allegations against Kavanaugh to be absolutely lacking in supporting evidence,

This is why it is impossible to have a rational conversation with a "liberal." Their beliefs are based on emotion rather than facts and logic.