How Can Anyone Defend This...

[Foxfyre]

That's about the first person judged on the Day of Resurrection. And you're totally right about us not knowing whose intentions are pure; intentions are God's knowledge.

Wouldn't Islam be a wonderful religion if all would leave it to God to judge people and their intent and motives then rather than slit the throats of a sleeping mother and children because they believe Allah requires it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews were all opposed to the foreign takeover of their country and still are.

With Muslims, Christians, and Jews on the same side, why does everyone talk about the Muslims?

 

[Kalam]

Wouldn't Islam be a wonderful religion if all would leave it to God to judge people and their intent and motives then

God holds us accountable for our intentions and we hold each other accountable for our actions.

rather than slit the throats of a sleeping mother and children because they believe Allah requires it?

Source?

Isma'il narrated on the authority of al-Aswad ibn Sareeh, who said: ...[the Messenger of Allah] said, "What is wrong with people that the fighting today had caused them to go so far as to kill children!?" So a man said, "O Messenger of Allah, they are just children of the polytheists!" So he said, "Nay, verily the best of you are the children of polytheists!" Then he said, "Nay, do not kill children! Nay, do not kill children!" (Ahmad)

It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah. He disapproved of the killing of women and children. (Bukhari, Muslim)

It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah forbade the killing of women and children. (Bukhari, Muslim, Malik)

...Ibn 'Abbas wrote to [Yazid ibn Hurmuz]: "...And the Messenger of Allah did not kill the children of the enemy, so thou shouldst not kill the children." (Muslim)

...Then Abu Bakr advised Yazid (ibn Abi Sufyan), "...I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the spoils, and do not be cowardly." (Malik)​

 

[Jroc]

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[Jroc]

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[Jroc]

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[Kalam]

Ho, hum, I can do that too.

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But I won't indict your entire religion because I'm not an idiot.

 

[Jroc]

But I won't indict your entire religion because I'm not an idiot.

Really? Then maybe you should focus on your Religion whose so-called radicals have taken over while the more moderates (you not included in that group) are drowned out. You may be able to find a couple thousand more extremists Jew, but they are not and cannot drown out the bulk of the Jewish population. Sorry but you fail, as you fail when you pretend to be some kind of tolerant muslim as you post on this thread in an attempt to divert the subject away from the slaughtering of that family, those children in their sleep

 

[Kalam]

Really? Then maybe you should focus on your Religion

You may not have noticed that most of my posts on USMB have something to do with my religion...

whose so-called radicals have taken over while the more moderates (you not included in that group) are drowned out.

Taken over what? There's no hierarchical structure for anyone to take over.

You may be able to find a couple thousand more extremists Jew, but they are not and cannot drown out the bulk of the Jewish population. Sorry but you fail, as you fail when you pretend to be some kind of tolerant muslim as you post on this thread in an attempt to divert the subject away from the slaughtering of that family, those children in their sleep

I 'fail'? Hokay pal.

When was I pretending to be something again?

 

[Jroc]

Taken over what? There's no hierarchical structure for anyone to take over.

Doen't have to be, the radicals are the voice of islam ...sad to say.

 

[Kalam]

Taken over what? There's no hierarchical structure for anyone to take over.

Doen't have to be, the radicals are the voice of islam ...sad to say.

What's that? And which group of people are you talking about?

 

[Jroc]

Taken over what? There's no hierarchical structure for anyone to take over.

Doen't have to be, the radicals are the voice of islam ...sad to say.

What's that? And which group of people are you talking about?

What was your reason for posting on this thread? why did you feel the need? The title of this thread is 'How can you defend this" (the slaughter of a family in their sleep) you had to post here why?

 

[Kalam]

What was your reason for posting on this thread? why did you feel the need? The title of this thread is 'How can you defend this" (the slaughter of a family in their sleep) you had to post here why?

I posted here for the same reason I always post -- I felt like responding to something that someone else had written. Do I need your permission or a special visa to enter this thread? Is it only open to people who participate in the Muslim/Palestinian-demonizing circle jerk?

 

[Jroc]

What was your reason for posting on this thread? why did you feel the need? The title of this thread is 'How can you defend this" (the slaughter of a family in their sleep) you had to post here why?

I posted here for the same reason I always post -- I felt like responding to something that someone else had written. Do I need your permission or a special visa to enter this thread? Is it only open to people who participate in the Muslim/Palestinian-demonizing circle jerk?

All I see is that you attempt to change the subject to Anti-Zionism which is not what the thread is about. Demonizing? do we need to demonize those who commented these murders? Do you feel the need to defend them?

 

[Kalam]

All I see is that you attempt to change the subject to Anti-Zionism

The thread was derailed within the first few posts. Welcome to USMB -- that tends to happen here. I can assure you that I haven't made any conscious effort to "change the subject to Anti-Zionism" or done much of anything apart from addressing posts directed toward me...

Demonizing? do we need to demonize those who commented these murders?

Beats me. Most discussants seem to have contented themselves with spewing uninformed diatribes directed at Palestinians or Muslims in general.

Do you feel the need to defend them?

Have I posted anything in their defense?

 

[Jroc]

The thread was derailed within the first few posts. Welcome to USMB -- that tends to happen here. I can assure you that I haven't made any conscious effort to "change the subject to Anti-Zionism" or done much of anything apart from addressing posts directed toward me...

Yep it was derailed by people trying to defend or make excuses for the slaughter of children as far as the "Zionist apes" I believe it was you that first used that discription.

Have I posted anything in their defense?

The fact that you took the conversation were it went was a defense of the scum

 

[P F Tinmore]

I imagine they have rejected such a doctrine Kalam. I am going to guess--in fact I've heard testimony from one that concurs with my opinion--that all or most have discovered that the Jew is not their enemy, is not an abomination, and treats them with the utmost deference, courtesy, and consideration when such is reciprocated.

Are you under the impression that I hate Jews or consider them to be less than human? No, my position isn't merely a reversal of Zionist racism. I wouldn't see them herded into open air prisons, strangled with dehumanizing blockades, decimated with cluster munitions, or punished with any of the many injuries "Israel" has inflicted on the Muslims of Palestine over the past 60 years. I subscribe to the radical belief that no segment of the region's population should be forced to suffer through any of that sort of depravity. But I'm told that this is anti-Semitic since anything short of eternal Jewish supremacism will result in them being driven into the sea.


Associating 'blood lust' with jihad makes it clear that the concept eludes you, but no matter.





Do they now?

I suppose it's appropriate that support for brutal collective punishment and the seizure of lebensraum are cornerstones of "enlightenment" according to the Zionist understanding. 'Audhu billah min dhalik.

And some would take the view that the Jews have done only what was necessary to keep the blood lusting jihadists from kidnapping, torturing, beheading or otherwise killing people, to keep them from firing rockets into residential neighborhoods hoping to hurt, maim, or kill ANYBODY, and to keep them from blowing themselves up on busses crowded with school children or in crowded markets.

At such time as the Palestinians, including their leadership, denounce and reject such policy and do what they reasonably can do to stop it from happening, and then the Israelis are not good neighbors to the Palestinians? Then I will have issues with the Israelis. Until then I cannot fault them for their policies.

Selective history is a really bad teacher for instructing national policies, and I think far too many pro-Palestinians have been provided only selective history that all the problem is the Jews and the Palestinians are innocent and maltreated victims.

And when you write about those Muslims who choose to live peacefully with the Israelis as full responsible Israeli citizens:

They deserve death and what follows. Any person complicit in the oppression of people he claims are his coreligionists is a wretched, miserable creature who lives and dies in a state of abject ignominy.

perhaps you can understand that you don't give Israel much incentive to trust that you would choose to live peacefully with them. Sound pretty much like blood lust to me.

When was anyone ever beheaded in Palestine?

Post link to story.

 

[High_Gravity]

(Reuters) - A Jewish couple and three of their children were stabbed to death in bed in a West Bank settlement in what Israeli officials said Saturday was an attack by one or more Palestinians who broke into their home.

Israeli troops set up roadblocks and were searching the area around the Jewish religious settlement of Itamar, near the Palestinian city of Nablus, for the killer or killers.

In a televised speech, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed shock that the parents and three of their children -- including a baby -- were "brutally murdered on Sabbath eve while sleeping."

Netanyahu, in what appeared to be a warning to settlers not to launch revenge attacks, urged Israelis not to take the law into their own hands after the killings.

Israel has been loosening restrictions on the movement of Palestinians and goods in the occupied territory but maintains a system of roadblocks and checkpoints.


Jewish couple and three children killed in West Bank | Reuters

this happens everyday in our own country just for different reasons is all.

Most likely they would have been rapped and others made to watch if it was in America.

Is one a better way to die than the other?

 

[Ropey]

This thread is a hate primer for those who support and defend such actions.

They use but, however, and many other methods to soften the murderous impact whilst strengthening their views of how this foul act has support.

Maybe that's the reason for the "anything goes" on this website. Then the Huggy's and other Jew haters can come out and be seen.

Rather than hiding under the rocks.

 

[Kalam]

This thread is a hate primer for those who support and defend such actions.

It's certainly an interesting read for us. You know, believers in the religion that was 'sent by God' but is also the 'words of Satan' and the product of a 'false deity.'