House passes bill overturning Obamacare

[Oddball]

Oddball, the more people being insured, the more jobs in the insurance industry....many of the 30 million extra being insured will probably get their annual physicals and tests, those will lead to early treatments and more tests and doctor visits, saving peoples lives or extending them, people already with insurance will have measures in their insurance that limits out of pocket expenses or additional costs on things like physicals, mammograms, colonoscopes...this all can lead to early detection and more treatments and tests.

The supply for all of the increased numbers in people using our health care system is bound to rise, which means ''demand'' will no doubt, go up and it will be met with the appropriate ''supply'' in doctors, nurses, clerks, professors, lab techs, hospitals, medical schools etc...

That's just how ''the market'' works....

Will we have shortages of workers to serve demand in the beginning? Most certainly! But the ''market'' will adjust and will give us the ''supply'' needed....

First we need to make a very important distinction...What most people are referring to as "insurance" boils down to pre-paid medical...There's a world of difference....This is why the auto insurance analogy doesn't fly....If your auto insurance worked the same way that people are expecting medical "insurance" to work, it would cover new tires, oil changes, new paint jobs, etcetera.

This is going to put a massive burden on the system, with the person receiving the service completely insulated from from any concern of whether they're over-utilizing the system, because there's no cost disincentive to do so.

Meanwhile, reimbursements are going to drop like a rock (checked the Medicare reimbursement rates lately?), because there's not going to be enough funding to go around...So you'll end up with rationing at both ends of the transaction.

Now, who in their right mind is going to want to work in an environment like that?

 

[Rinata]

Whose taxes will the penality raise?

The penalty is just one tax.

20 million new freeloaders get dumped on the States Medicaid systems.

Who pays that tax?

Not you freeloaders, of course.

It sounds to me like you and several other wingnut whiners on this board must be the freeloaders.

As well as uninformed. Totally. They hate Obama and he wants everybody to be insured, so of course they don't.

 

[Big Fitz]

House votes to repeal Obama healthcare law, again | Reuters

Good news for the public at large for this nation.

It does three things.

1. Puts everyone on record in an election year.
2. Makes this a massive wedge issue.
3. Puts pressure on Obama on making a decision to keep it against the popular will or get rid of it which will end a weapon that can be used against him and his supporters in congress.

It does NOTHING, except waste everyone's damn time.

Aren't these fucking morons supposed to be doing something useful? Like trying to fix the economy?

Instead, they're wasting the taxpayer's valuable time and money by holding futile vote #33 on this issue.

Imagine all they could have done with the time they spent preparing for 33 fucking votes that they knew would have no effect at all on anything.

Oh, wait, I forgot, this Congress wouldn't have been able to get anything done anyway.

Good work you fucking jackasses. Well done.

Harry Reid blocked another senate vote on Obama's tax plan that the GOP pushed for. This makes the 33rd time he's done this.

Maybe you should take up your ire with obstructionism with him?

 

[Stephanie]

aww, Obama wants everybody insured...how wonderful of him...it's easy for him to do with OTHER PEOPLES MONIES

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

House votes to repeal Obama healthcare law, again | Reuters

Good news for the public at large for this nation.

It does three things.

1. Puts everyone on record in an election year.
2. Makes this a massive wedge issue.
3. Puts pressure on Obama on making a decision to keep it against the popular will or get rid of it which will end a weapon that can be used against him and his supporters in congress.

The popular will is hard to define.

The People seem to want all the benefits the bill offers - but they don't want anyone to have to pay for them.

 

[Big Fitz]

The Boehner House has voted 33 TIMES to repeal Obamacare.

Yes, so why is the Senate insane?

 

[Big Fitz]

Then why won't Harry Reid put the dozen or more bills that the HoR passed up for a vote?...Why is he obstructing?...Why doesn't he give a shit about jobs?

How many times have democratics attempted to jam thier socialist worker's Utopia up our asses and failed, only to return time and time and time again with the same old crap, until they get what they want?

For my money, it's about time the gutless republicans persisted at something, for a change.

Persisted at what? FAILING?

And that's your excuse? "Well, the other guys obstruct too..."

That's lame as hell.

And Harry Reid never tried to get the same legislation passed 33 times.

Why? Because, much as you may not like him, Harry Reid isn't a fucking moron.

There are two ways a repeal of healthcare is going to pass right now:

No Way, and No Fucking Way.

Working on a bill that has absolutely no chance in hell of passing 33 Times isn't politics, it's fucking stupidity.

And it's a massive waste of time. Time which is paid for, mind you, by our taxpayer dollars.

So, in other words, we're basically paying them to do nothing.

As I said, that's real good work. Real good work.

WHY WON'T YOU LEAVE OBAMATAX ALONE!!!!!!!!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Americans actually like what's in the bill.

POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress

61 percent of respondents favored allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26.
72 percent of respondents wish to maintain the requirement that companies with more than 50 workers provide health insurance for their employees.
82 percent of respondents favored banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

They just hate the bill because FOX Racist Opinions told them "bad bill, obama, commie, bad!"

82% of the country wants to prevent denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions - they just don't want anyone to have to pay for it!

 

[Oddball]

ThinkRegress....Pfft.

BTW, 99% of people approve of "free" pie and ice cream with every restaurant meal!

 

[Big Fitz]

Americans actually like what's in the bill.

POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress

61 percent of respondents favored allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26.
72 percent of respondents wish to maintain the requirement that companies with more than 50 workers provide health insurance for their employees.
82 percent of respondents favored banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

They just hate the bill because FOX Racist Opinions told them "bad bill, obama, commie, bad!"

82% of the country wants to prevent denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions - they just don't want anyone to have to pay for it!

And how many expect and want to pay for it out of their own pocket?

10%? 5%? 0%?

What percentage of respondents want their taxes raised and if so, by how much?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Americans actually like what's in the bill.

POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress

61 percent of respondents favored allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26.
72 percent of respondents wish to maintain the requirement that companies with more than 50 workers provide health insurance for their employees.
82 percent of respondents favored banning insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

They just hate the bill because FOX Racist Opinions told them "bad bill, obama, commie, bad!"

82% of the country wants to prevent denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions - they just don't want anyone to have to pay for it!

And how many expect and want to pay for it out of their own pocket?

10%? 5%? 0%?

That's kinda the point. Americans want everything for free.

 

[Big Fitz]

Americans actually like what's in the bill.

POLL: Americans Support Obamacare Provisions, Oppose Obamacare | ThinkProgress



They just hate the bill because FOX Racist Opinions told them "bad bill, obama, commie, bad!"

82% of the country wants to prevent denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions - they just don't want anyone to have to pay for it!

And how many expect and want to pay for it out of their own pocket?

10%? 5%? 0%?

That's kinda the point. Americans want everything for free.

And is Obamacare free?

 

[francoHFW]

End of story, dupes:

Romneycare a great success, none of the PUB doom and gloom.

Frontline said cost rises are now 2%, easily the lowest in the USA. So change the channel...

"For this reason he also provided for subsidies for individuals living below three times the federal poverty line to make insurance affordable. This “three-legged stool”—banning discrimination in insurance markets, mandating that individuals purchase insurance, and providing low-income subsidies for insurance purchase—became the basis for both our reform in Massachusetts and for the Affordable Care Act (ACA).The enormous success of health-care reform in the almost six years since its passage in Massachusetts can make us more confident that this three-legged stool will work for the nation as a whole. We have covered about two-thirds of uninsured Massachusetts residents, and have lowered the premiums in the non-group market by half relative to national premium trends. And we have done so with broad public support. Moreover, this reform succeeded without interfering with the employer-sponsored insurance market that works for most of our residents: employer-sponsored insurance coverage has actually risen in Massachusetts, while falling sharply nationally, and the premiums for employer-sponsored insurance rose no faster in Massachusetts than they did nationally.This was all possible because the individual mandate ended the “death spiral” of trying to obtain fairly priced insurance by just forcing insurers to charge everyone the same price.

The bottom line is that we can’t have fairly priced insurance for the healthy and sick alike without the broad participation that is guaranteed by the mandate. The mandate is the spinach we have to eat to get the dessert that is fairly priced insurance coverage.

Actually, RomneyCare is an enormous success « Hot Air HeadlinesMar 27, 2012 ... Actually, RomneyCare is an enormous success. Into this chasm stepped the hero of our story, Governor Mitt Romney, and his plan for ...

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/rom...nd-falsehoods/ - Cached

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

And how many expect and want to pay for it out of their own pocket?

10%? 5%? 0%?

That's kinda the point. Americans want everything for free.

And is Obamacare free?

Its not. And I suppose your solution - which is apparently also Mittens solution - is to pass a law where no denial for pre-existing conditions is free. How do you think he'll do that?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

End of story, dupes:

Romneycare a great success, none of the PUB doom and gloom.

Wait, you mean Romney supports RomneyCare?

 

[Lakhota]

Health Care Law Repeal Efforts By House GOP Cost Nearly $50 Million: CBS Report

 

[Darkwind]

I see the obstructionists in the Senate are going to, yet again, prevent the people from being heard on this issue.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I see the obstructionists in the Senate are going to, yet again, prevent the people from being heard on this issue.

You do realize that the House that is voting to repeal the bill is the very same House that passed it in the first place?

Sounds like the People can't make up their fucking minds.

 

[Claudette]

House votes to repeal Obama healthcare law, again | Reuters

Good news for the public at large for this nation.

It does three things.

1. Puts everyone on record in an election year.
2. Makes this a massive wedge issue.
3. Puts pressure on Obama on making a decision to keep it against the popular will or get rid of it which will end a weapon that can be used against him and his supporters in congress.

Yup. Obamacare was unpopular when they passed it and its just as unpopular now. The only real winners are those without HC. If they can't pay then the taxpayer will pick up the tab.

I had hoped the SC would kick the whole clusterfuck to the curb but they said its constitutional as a tax.

They handed Romney and the GOP a gift and Barry a big headach.

I'm glad the House voted to repeal and now the ball is in Reids court. If he brings it to a vote it could pass. There are Dems looking at re-election in Nov. The bill is unpopular and a tax. Who's gonna vote for a tax??

Good question.

 

[Sarah G]

House votes to repeal Obama healthcare law, again | Reuters

Good news for the public at large for this nation.

It does three things.

1. Puts everyone on record in an election year.
2. Makes this a massive wedge issue.
3. Puts pressure on Obama on making a decision to keep it against the popular will or get rid of it which will end a weapon that can be used against him and his supporters in congress.

Yup. Obamacare was unpopular when they passed it and its just as unpopular now. The only real winners are those without HC. If they can't pay then the taxpayer will pick up the tab.

I had hoped the SC would kick the whole clusterfuck to the curb but they said its constitutional as a tax.

They handed Romney and the GOP a gift and Barry a big headach.

I'm glad the House voted to repeal and now the ball is in Reids court. If he brings it to a vote it could pass. There are Dems looking at re-election in Nov. The bill is unpopular and a tax. Who's gonna vote for a tax??

Good question.

How will they get health care when the Republican states are rejecting money for medicaid just because they hate Democrats.

Your entire post is way off.