CDZ Hitting back at the Russians

[Denechek]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

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[GLASNOST]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

Got proof?

The best proof available: When Trump was announced the winner Putin made a toast ... the CIA didn't. What more do you need for proof? Yeeeesh!

 

[Eloy]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

 

[Wyatt earp]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.

Every one knows O.J. killed Nicole

Every one knows Hillary is guilty

Every one knows Louis Lerner is guilty


But you got to prove it in a court of law.


.

 

[the_human_being]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

We have tremendous confidence in our Electoral system as will be proven this very day.

 

[Eloy]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.

Every one knows O.J. killed Nicole

Every one knows Hillary is guilty

Every one knows Louis Lerner is guilty


But you got to prove it in a court of law.


.

Spies only have to persuade the president, not a jury in a court of law.

 

[Eloy]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

We have tremendous confidence in our Electoral system as will be proven this very day.

You mean the Electoral College is merely a rubber stamp, not thinking people.

 

[Kosh]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

Yes Russians are now bad! They are the far left boggy man!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well."

Silly far left drones and their failed debunked religious narratives!

Concede, your far left religion has been forced out of power!

 

[Eloy]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

Yes Russians are now bad! They are the far left boggy man!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well."

Silly far left drones and their failed debunked religious narratives!

Concede, your far left religion has been forced out of power!

Count me on the list of people who give-up, seeing how easily the Russians were able to throw an American presidential election with the help of hate radio, FOX News and the head of the FBI.

 

[the_human_being]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

We have tremendous confidence in our Electoral system as will be proven this very day.

You mean the Electoral College is merely a rubber stamp, not thinking people.

That's exactly what they are supposed to be. They are supposed to vote the will of the voters of their respective states.

 

[Eloy]

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

We have tremendous confidence in our Electoral system as will be proven this very day.

You mean the Electoral College is merely a rubber stamp, not thinking people.

That's exactly what they are supposed to be. They are supposed to vote the will of the voters of their respective states.

I have a notion you have that wrong.
"In fact, the balance of opinion by constitutional scholars is that, once electors have been chosen, they remain constitutionally free agents, able to vote for any candidate who meets the requirements for President and Vice President."
Electoral College - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

 

[the_human_being]

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

Everyone knows it was the Russians by now.
"FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper have both reportedly agreed with the CIA's report that Russian agents hacked the November presidential election and did so to the benefit of the GOP candidate, Donald Trump, as well as to undermine public confidence in the US electoral system."

We have tremendous confidence in our Electoral system as will be proven this very day.

You mean the Electoral College is merely a rubber stamp, not thinking people.

That's exactly what they are supposed to be. They are supposed to vote the will of the voters of their respective states.

I have a notion you have that wrong.
"In fact, the balance of opinion by constitutional scholars is that, once electors have been chosen, they remain constitutionally free agents, able to vote for any candidate who meets the requirements for President and Vice President."
Electoral College - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Were that the case, we would not need to go forth on election day to the polls and brave the rain, snow, traffic, or whatever. We could simply elect the allocated number of electors and they would meet and vote their conscience and save all the hassle and expense of keeping thousands of polling places open and counting absentee ballots.

 

[Picaro]

Here's a thought, Shlomo. Why don't we just empty the arsenal on everyone but Israel.

The only appropriate answer to a snowflake troll thread OP.

 

[Picaro]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

No that is not true, there are Obama hacks making these claims, if it was true they would before the intelligence committee and Congress with their irrefutable evidence..

So far they yet to come forward to the oversight committees with their evidence.

Silly far left drone!

You're going to ruin the whole 'safe space' thingy for the Snowflakes by posting the obvious facts of life here in the CDZ, you know ...

 

[FA_Q2]

Wow, your OP is so full of falsehoods and platitudes it is hard to know where to begin.

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Obama should have been protecting the election?

You do know that the integrity of the election itself was protected. What was not protected was the DNC, a private organization, and they were the ones hacked. That does not make Russian actions acceptable but it is also not a case of Obama not 'protecting' the integrity of the election process.

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America,

Considering all the news media outlets reported on this, singling out FOX is nothing more than rhetoric. Calling it hate is even more BS rhetoric. It was news and news agencies have an obligation to report on it.

I wonder, did you think the same thing when a piece of Trumps taxes were illegally obtained and published or is that little illegal action acceptable to publish?

they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States.

Sure they have. Interestingly enough, this little piece of cyber warfare did NOT contain disinformation. What it contained was the release of actual information that the DNC did not want the people to know about.

Disinformation does not require hacking because it is fake. What was released was not fake.

As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Yes, all terrible failures of our current FP with Russia. All have nothing to do with the charges that they hacked into the DNC and released their emails.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election?

Now they stole the election?

That is pointless rhetoric again. They did not 'steal' anything. They tried to meddle in the process (something that the US has done SEVERAL times BTW). I also find it interesting that you mention Crimea - a response that was first brought on by the US trying to influence Ukraine's government. HRC herself has been involved in influencing foreign elections during her time as SoS.

The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Not likely. Putin does not care what the US releases - he controls the media in Russia and ergo the messages that get to the people.
Obama: 'Public shaming' won't deter Russia from future cyberattacks

Obama has publicly said that such a strategy would do little.

 

[Eloy]

Wow, your OP is so full of falsehoods and platitudes it is hard to know where to begin.
Obama should have been protecting the election?

Yes. The integrity of the election is a foundation that enables Americans to believe that an election was fair and free. When they are meddled with, people will wonder whether the winner is legitimate. President Obama must have known what the Russians were up to but he let it happen anyway. His response is too late and too lame.

You do know that the integrity of the election itself was protected. What was not protected was the DNC, a private organization, and they were the ones hacked. That does not make Russian actions acceptable but it is also not a case of Obama not 'protecting' the integrity of the election process.

By interfering in the election in the manner in which they did, the Russians have succeeded in bringing into question the legitimacy of Donald Trump's victory. People will always have at the back of their minds that Trump was elected by dirty tricks.

Considering all the news media outlets reported on this, singling out FOX is nothing more than rhetoric. Calling it hate is even more BS rhetoric. It was news and news agencies have an obligation to report on it.

I understand FOX News is the most popular TV news station among Americans who also listen in great numbers to far right hate radio. This fact singles them out and also how everything is presented with spin. Conservative voters are able to get a steady diet of spin and lies from stations like these which have the appearance of being fair and balanced but clearly are not. The real news story was how the Russians were hacking into American political networks and then leaking the stolen information to Wikileaks who published it but the hate radio and FOX News, like the Russians, mock the truth.

I wonder, did you think the same thing when a piece of Trumps taxes were illegally obtained and published or is that little illegal action acceptable to publish?

FOX News and hate radio are not obliged to publish stolen data planted by the Russians.

Sure they have. Interestingly enough, this little piece of cyber warfare did NOT contain disinformation. What it contained was the release of actual information that the DNC did not want the people to know about.

It is the nature of cyber warfare to select what they want to leak, to put a slant on it and release it in time to have the FBI believe they have thousands of emails that might prove Hillary Clinton is a criminal.

Disinformation does not require hacking because it is fake. What was released was not fake.

Stories need not be 100% factual or 100% fake. It can have elements of both. Good reporters consider their sources and motivations to get at the real truth and editors have to consider if publication is snaring them in the plot.

Now they stole the election?

That is pointless rhetoric again. They did not 'steal' anything. They tried to meddle in the process (something that the US has done SEVERAL times BTW).

I agree that the Russians tried to meddle in the American presidential election. The difference between us is that I believe they have been successful.

I also find it interesting that you mention Crimea - a response that was first brought on by the US trying to influence Ukraine's government. HRC herself has been involved in influencing foreign elections during her time as SoS.

No, I do not believe Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Russians annexing Crimea.

Not likely. Putin does not care what the US releases - he controls the media in Russia and ergo the messages that get to the people.
Obama: 'Public shaming' won't deter Russia from future cyberattacks

Obama has publicly said that such a strategy would do little.

I disagree with President Obama on this. Publishing bad stuff about Putin will annoy the kleptocrat and that would be a good thing.

 

[cnelsen]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

Yeah, the same office that saw Saddam's WMD behind some boxes in his garage.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

 

[Eloy]

Who witnessed "Russians hacking into Democratic party"?

The CIA.

Yeah, the same office that saw Saddam's WMD behind some boxes in his garage.

The CIA suffers from the American weakness of gullibility. This time it looks like they are right.

 

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

The CIA are spies. Do not expect them to reveal their sources. They must surely be watching the Russians closely.