Hitler's False Flag Incident-Gleiwitz

[AJT]

Gleiwitz incident - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


URL: The Gleiwitz False Flag Operation By Hitler

 

[Bleipriester]

The various border violations and attacks of the Polish regime are well documented by German soldiers that were deployed at the border.

Here are some:
"August 24, 1939: Lufthansa plane, type Savoia D-APUP under Capt. Bohne was shot at from the Hela Peninsula by the Poles when it was 15 to 20 km away over the Baltic Sea.


August 24, 1939: Another Lufthansa plane, type Ju86 D-AMYO under Capt. Neumann was shot at when 5 to 6 km off the German coast.

August 25, 1939: Report of the State Police in Elbing East Prussia -- As a result of a fire set by insurgents from Poland, the forestry building Diedrichswalde in County Marienwerder was totally destroyed.

August 25/26, 1939: During the night a railway bridge on the German side of the border was totally destroyed by the encroaching Polish military.

August 30, 1939: State Police in Breslau reported that a German farmer working in his field was shot dead by Polish cavalrymen, and that a German plane flying over German soil was shot at by anti-aircraft guns on the Polish side.


August 30, 1939: The German consul in Cracow was shot dead. The murderer was a Polish Jew."
Why Germany invaded Poland. - David Icke s Official Forums

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Nazi's wrote a check their asses couldn't cash.

 

[konradv]

Why Germany invaded Poland. - David Icke s Official Forums

Revisionist history. It's well known that the Nazis manufactured those "provocations".

 

[whitehall]

Whatever we learn about Nazi propaganda should be judged in light of the fact that the U.S. had virtually no intelligence network in place during the 20's, the 30's or well into the 40's. Despite British foreign policy mistakes illustrated by Chamberlain's failure, they had a espionage and counter espionage intelligence network in place well before WW2. After the shooting war started the Brits were shocked to find that the U.S. had virtually no national intelligence network in place other than a hodge podge of Navy and Army competing amateurish operations. Hard charger "wild" Bill Donovan finally established a semblance of an "intelligence network" but the FBI challenged him even though J.Edgar Hoover's G-Men had no experience in espionage. Strangely enough the U.S. Courts ruled that Hoover's FBI would be the lead agency in U.S. "intelligence". The situation was a mess and the "Battle of the Bulge" stands out as the biggest failure of intelligence in modern U.S. history until 9-11 eclipsed that dubious distinction.

 

[Bleipriester]

Why Germany invaded Poland. - David Icke s Official Forums

Revisionist history. It's well known that the Nazis manufactured those "provocations".

Nonsense. Germany already had a big bag full of reasons. And if it´s alone the oppression of Germans under the Polish regime. There was no reason to create a false flag operation. The operation has not enough brisance to justify Poland´s liquidation, anyway.

 

[there4eyeM]

Does anyone else find ambiguity in Bleipriester's point here? Is it being said that the Poles did attack, but that did not justify Germany invading?
We know the Ribbentrop/Molotov agreement settled the matter between Stalin and Hitler, so the fate of Poland was a fait accompli.
Poland had a history of war with Russia and was not a particularly pacifist country. Their reasons for provoking Hitler would seem unclear, even somewhat suicidal.
What is the point here?

 

[Bleipriester]

Does anyone else find ambiguity in Bleipriester's point here? Is it being said that the Poles did attack, but that did not justify Germany invading?
We know the Ribbentrop/Molotov agreement settled the matter between Stalin and Hitler, so the fate of Poland was a fait accompli.
Poland had a history of war with Russia and was not a particularly pacifist country. Their reasons for provoking Hitler would seem unclear, even somewhat suicidal.
What is the point here?

I was talking about Poland´s liquidation, not about the invasion.

 

[there4eyeM]

Two totalitarian dictators tore Poland apart and plunged the world into war. It wouldn't have mattered to them if the Poles had been angels, full of virtue and truth. In general, humans didn't matter to them, only their power did. Power, ideology and religion appear to be humanity's greatest enemies.

 

[oldfart]

You should really factcheck information from right-wing neo-Nazi sites.

The various border violations and attacks of the Polish regime are well documented by German soldiers that were deployed at the border.

Yes, this was "Operation Himmler". SA and SS operatives dressed in Polish uniforms were to stage attacks to lend credence to Hitler's narrative of Polish aggression. Concentration camp inmates, dressed in Polish uniforms were poisoned and then shot and left to be found by the German military responding to the alert.

Originally the plan was scheduled for August 26, but was delayed until August 31. Not every unit got the message however, and some actions took place early.

Here are some:
"August 24, 1939: Lufthansa plane, type Savoia D-APUP under Capt. Bohne was shot at from the Hela Peninsula by the Poles when it was 15 to 20 km away over the Baltic Sea.

August 24, 1939: Another Lufthansa plane, type Ju86 D-AMYO under Capt. Neumann was shot at when 5 to 6 km off the German coast.

These unsubstantiated sightings were part of Operation Himmler that were released prematurely because the delay order could not reach them before they filed the reports.

August 25, 1939: Report of the State Police in Elbing East Prussia -- As a result of a fire set by insurgents from Poland, the forestry building Diedrichswalde in County Marienwerder was totally destroyed.

The forest service station in Pitschen (Byczyna) is one of the incidents associated with Operation Himmler as described by Martin Allen in Himmler's Secret War: The Covert Peace Negotiations of Heinrich Himmler, 2005,

August 25/26, 1939: During the night a railway bridge on the German side of the border was totally destroyed by the encroaching Polish military.

The border in question was not the German-Polish border. Bizarrely, this part of Operation Himmler was carried out on a bridge on the Polish-Czech border.

August 30, 1939: State Police in Breslau reported that a German farmer working in his field was shot dead by Polish cavalrymen, and that a German plane flying over German soil was shot at by anti-aircraft guns on the Polish side.

The airplane report is more of the same as the first two reports you cited. I have trouble identifying the German farmer incident. I did run across this reference regarding Breslau:

"By mid-1939, thousands of Polish Volksdeutsche had been secretly prepared for sabotage and guerrilla warfare by the Breslau (Wrocław) office of the Abwehr; the purpose of their activities was to provoke anti-German reprisals that could be claimed as provocations by the Germans.[14] Those German agents indeed cooperated with the German forces during the invasion of Poland, leading to some reprisals, which were highly exaggerated by the German Nazi propaganda.[14][15][16] One of the most notable cases of such a scenario was reportedly carried out during Bydgoszcz Bloody Sunday. "

August 30, 1939: The German consul in Cracow was shot dead. The murderer was a Polish Jew."

This sounds to me like one of the Abwehr operations or a part of Operation Himmler.

In short, you come across sounding like you have been duped. Research a little more carefully.

 

[Bleipriester]

In short, you come across sounding like you have been duped. Research a little more carefully.

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

 

[irosie91]

In short, you come across sounding like you have been duped. Research a little more carefully.

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

good point, and world war III became inevitable when Iran---with the help of
Russia and Syria, began arming the Houthi pigs in Yemen

 

[Bleipriester]

In short, you come across sounding like you have been duped. Research a little more carefully.

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

good point, and world war III became inevitable when Iran---with the help of
Russia and Syria, began arming the Houthi pigs in Yemen

Iran and the Houthis say, Iran doesn´t, anyway. How would a WWIII look like in your opinion?

 

[irosie91]

In short, you come across sounding like you have been duped. Research a little more carefully.

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

good point, and world war III became inevitable when Iran---with the help of
Russia and Syria, began arming the Houthi pigs in Yemen

Iran and the Houthis say, Iran doesn´t, anyway. How would a WWIII look like in your opinion?

a big extension of the present Baathist driven shit which is going on
in Iraq, Syria, Yemen. and even Libya and Bahrain. The alliance between the
Shiite shit and semi-sunni Baathists fascinates but does not actually
surprise me. It is a kind of odd alliance like that between Italy and Germany. The axis powers will include Shiite shit---alawite shit, caliphatist sunni shit,
Iranian and even Turkish elements. The USA gets stuck because of
Saudi Arabia and waterways. There are sufficient Baathist dogs in Egypt
-----but Egypt will probably stay out of it

 

[konradv]

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

Got a cite for this "plan"? Neither Wiki nor Google can seem to find it!

 

[Bleipriester]

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

Got a cite for this "plan"? Neither Wiki nor Google can seem to find it!

16 Points Plan

 

[konradv]

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

Got a cite for this "plan"? Neither Wiki nor Google can seem to find it!

16 Points Plan

Which gets you nothing. How about a real cite?

 

[Bleipriester]

After Poland rejected the 16 Points Plan, the war was inevitable.

Got a cite for this "plan"? Neither Wiki nor Google can seem to find it!

16 Points Plan

Which gets you nothing. How about a real cite?

1.
The city Danzig goes back to Germany

2.
The people of the territory from the Eastsea and the Marienwerder-Graudenz-Kulm-Bromberg line makes up their mind to which Nation they want to belong in an election

3.
This election will be controlled by a commision of Italy, USSR, France and England

4.
This election will not include the habour Gdingen, that will be polish

5.
To get a well prepared election, it will not take place within 12 month

6.
To garantee the German connection to Ostpreußen and the polish conection to the sea during this time, ways will be set for roads and railways

7.
A simple majority will bring it to an issue

8.
If the territories will be Polish, Germany gets the right to build a Reichsautobahn and a 4-track railway to Ostpreußen in a corridor that is 1 km wide. If the territories goes to Germany, the Polish have the same right to build a connection to Gdingen.

9.
If the territory will be German, Germany is poised for a population exchange with Poland

10.
The Polish claims in Danzig will be broked like the German claims in Gdingen

11.
For not to bring an environment of threats, Danzig and Gdingen will be demilitarized

12.
The peninsule Heia, that will be involveld in the elections, too, will also be demilitarized

13.
Discomforts about discrimination of minorities on both sides will be broked by an international commission

14.
German and polish foreigners have not perform the compulsory military service

15.
If this Plan will be accepted, both countries will perform the de-mobilization of their armies

16.
For the acceleration of this agreements, German and Poland will hear this case